barton shifter gear pattern dimensions and height vs stock

Discussion in 'SRT Hellcat Performance' started by carcass, May 16, 2016.

  1. carcass

    carcass SRT Hellcat Supporter Gold Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2015
    Messages:
    837
    Likes Received:
    251
    Trophy Points:
    173
    Vehicle:
    Challenger SRT Hellcat
    image.jpeg image.jpeg I installed my Barton shifter today in my 2015 Hellcat.
    Before I took out the stock shifter I took measurements between each gear and the overall height measured down from the overhead light.
    :
    The stock shifter in my car had these dimensions:
    overall height measured down from overhead light to the top of the shifter ball was 21 7/8"
    I also laid a 1x4" board edgewise along and on top of the center console lengthwise and marked the top of the stock shifter ball on it with a pen to reference later.
    I measured from under the dash on top of the center console back to 1st gear was 6 1/4" for a reference point
    1st to 2nd gear change -- 3 3/4"
    3rd to 4th gear -- 3 3/4"
    5th to 6th gear change -- 3 3/4"
    Between gears that are side by side:
    1st to 3rd gear measured 3/4"
    2nd to 4th gear 3/4"
    5th to reverse is 1"
    the center of the stock shifter ball measured from the passenger door armrest edge is about 30"
    :
    The new Barton shifter with the brushed aluminum flat stick and white ball had these dimensions:
    Overall height measured down from overhead console light to the top of the shifter ball(screwed all the way on with locknut underneath) is 20 1/8" A height increase/taller of about 1 3/4"
    Per my 1x4" board off the center console top the new shifter ball was now above my 1x4" board with a difference of about 1 1/2" taller than stock! Yay!!
    so as near as my rudimentary measurements could get me the barton is about 1 1/2" taller than the stock shifter.
    1st to 2nd gear change -- 2 1/2"
    3rd to 4th gear change -- 2 3/4"
    5th to 6th gear change -- 2 3/4"
    Between gears that are side by side is virtually identical to the stock shifter
    :
    I tightened the side to side adjustable barton handle to about 1/2" further away from my right knee and I'm happy with it for now
    :
    Since the shifter is 1 1/2" taller than stock(awesome) it made my reference point for distance from the dash a little bit difficult but with the bend in the barton shifter facing rearward the ball is now 8" from the under the dash on top of the console so close to 2" further away from the dash than the stock ball. Its optional to turn the handle around to make the ball closer to the dash but I'm happy with it this way, it makes the center of the shifter handle close to the same dimension from the dash area as the my steering wheel which is ran all the way out to its longest point from the dash.
    :
    So overall the throw between gears 1st to 2nd and 3rd to 4th is reduced by about one inch. with it feeling much more positive. the shifter centers in neutral in between 3rd and 4th so gear changes from 2nd to 3rd can be shoved straight forward with no sideways pressure and shifting from 5th to 4th it can be pulled straight back and it will shift to fourth, a conscious effort with sideways pressure is required to shift from 5th to 6th gear.
    :
    I love the new Barton shifter and the extra height is VERY WELCOME.. I am also going to order an aluminum 2" shifter handle extension to get even more height, bringing the ball closer to the wheel, I prefer not having to move my right hand as far to get to the shifter.
    ;
    overall the shifter is a huge improvement, I like the white ball, I can see it easier out of my peripheral and it matches the car too and looks more old school, probly going to order one with no gear pattern engraved on the top of it though as I find that obnoxious, if you don't know the gear pattern you shouldn't be in the drivers seat in my opinion.
    Can't wait to use it on the roadcourse, now if I just had those lower 3.90 rear gears and a Bad Boyzz Garage clutch........
     
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2016
    • Like Like x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  2. carcass

    carcass SRT Hellcat Supporter Gold Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2015
    Messages:
    837
    Likes Received:
    251
    Trophy Points:
    173
    Vehicle:
    Challenger SRT Hellcat
    Weight there's more,,
    the stock shifter weighs about two pounds less than the Barton shifter.
    Stock 5.2 pounds
    Barton 7.2 pounds.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  3. ciphros

    ciphros Gold Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2016
    Messages:
    625
    Likes Received:
    305
    Trophy Points:
    433
    Vehicle:
    Charger SRT Hellcat
    Sounds like a good addition for a track car. Just remember that adding that extra handle height is going to increase handle travel distance between gears...
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  4. JeffL

    JeffL VIP Hellcat Member

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2016
    Messages:
    152
    Likes Received:
    55
    Trophy Points:
    98
    Vehicle:
    Challenger SRT Hellcat
    I installed my last Friday. it's an amazing piece. totally changes the driving experience.
     
  5. carcass

    carcass SRT Hellcat Supporter Gold Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2015
    Messages:
    837
    Likes Received:
    251
    Trophy Points:
    173
    Vehicle:
    Challenger SRT Hellcat
    Oh good grief I never thought of that...dot.period.dot...
     
  6. carcass

    carcass SRT Hellcat Supporter Gold Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2015
    Messages:
    837
    Likes Received:
    251
    Trophy Points:
    173
    Vehicle:
    Challenger SRT Hellcat
    Given a shifter handle length of 9" the handle moves about 4.5% of its circumference when moving 2.5" between 1st and 2nd.
    An increase of two inches in handle length to 11" will increase shifter travel by about 1/2"
    I'm good with that. The switch to the Barton was for a more positive shift, with shorter throw just a benefit.
     
  7. ciphros

    ciphros Gold Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2016
    Messages:
    625
    Likes Received:
    305
    Trophy Points:
    433
    Vehicle:
    Charger SRT Hellcat
    Better to know ahead. Good deal that you can live with the difference.
     
  8. MABBRYFL30

    MABBRYFL30 NYS President Hellcat Car Club Gold Supporting Member

    Top Poster Of Month

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2016
    Messages:
    4,684
    Likes Received:
    1,845
    Trophy Points:
    568
    Vehicle:
    Challenger SRT Hellcat
    I was on the fence about the Barton. I am very interested because if this post. Thank you
     
  9. pivotal

    pivotal Senior Hellcat Member

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2016
    Messages:
    120
    Likes Received:
    35
    Trophy Points:
    58
    Location:
    Silver Spring MD
    Vehicle:
    Challenger SRT Hellcat
    Great write-up!

    Matt
     
  10. ckidd

    ckidd SRT Hellcat Supporter Gold Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2016
    Messages:
    83
    Likes Received:
    51
    Trophy Points:
    58
    Location:
    New Hampshire
    Vehicle:
    Challenger SRT Hellcat
    I recently installed a Barton with a pistol grip, what an improvement! Love how it feels and works...Highly recommend this upgrade!
     
    • Like Like x 2
  11. PlumbCrazy

    PlumbCrazy Gold Member Hellcat Car Club Gold Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2015
    Messages:
    136
    Likes Received:
    73
    Trophy Points:
    278
    Location:
    Germany
    Vehicle:
    Challenger SRT Hellcat
    Pics? I'm on the fence whether to go with the standard ball or pistol grip.
     
  12. 4510

    4510 SRT Hellcat Supporter Gold Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2015
    Messages:
    722
    Likes Received:
    158
    Trophy Points:
    153
    Location:
    Arizona
    Vehicle:
    Challenger SRT Hellcat
    I am using the Gunslinger stick on my Barton. Just installed it this weekend. No bones about it, I love the Barton setup. Very easy to use, with the slightly larger Gunslinger Pistol grip I have plenty of leverage so the shift effort is minimal, the throw is very precise and short. I couldn't be happier.
     
  13. ckidd

    ckidd SRT Hellcat Supporter Gold Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2016
    Messages:
    83
    Likes Received:
    51
    Trophy Points:
    58
    Location:
    New Hampshire
    Vehicle:
    Challenger SRT Hellcat
    pic1.jpg pic2.jpg
    My advise go pistol grip, feels awesome, pic attached.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  14. 4510

    4510 SRT Hellcat Supporter Gold Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2015
    Messages:
    722
    Likes Received:
    158
    Trophy Points:
    153
    Location:
    Arizona
    Vehicle:
    Challenger SRT Hellcat
  15. ckidd

    ckidd SRT Hellcat Supporter Gold Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2016
    Messages:
    83
    Likes Received:
    51
    Trophy Points:
    58
    Location:
    New Hampshire
    Vehicle:
    Challenger SRT Hellcat
    I had Tamara at A~Z Designs in Delray Beach Florida do them, she obviously does awesome work.
     

Share This Page