NC HELP PPF/Cquartz

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  1. 762CAT

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    Picking up my black A8 in July. Driving it back from SC dealer to NC. I live in the New Bern area and would like to have the car fully wrapped in PPF and possibly coated in Cquartz finest or something similar over the PPF to ensure the best finish and the easiest maintenance.

    I've read countless post on here about PPF and Cquartz but does anybody know of a place that can do both and do it well? I've been looking at Tvpauto.com located in Raliegh for PPF. They recommended the Suntek vice Xpel for the black color and they look like they do excellent work. I've also looked at Absolute Perfection in Goldsboro for Cquartz and I saw a couple forum members have been there. It would just be nice to find a one stop shop. I guess I could have the car wrapped then take it elsewhere for the Cquartz.

    I also would not be opposed to having the work done if anybody knows of a place in Myrtle Beach SC where I am picking up the vehicle.

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. Shadow

    Shadow Silver Member Hellcat Car Club Gold Supporting Member

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    OP, you're going to want to have 'paint correction' done on that pitch black car, PRIOR to the film. The trick is, the C-Quartz guy is the one who needs to do the paint correction. So, yes, a one stop shop is your best bet. If your film guy can do paint correction, then you can use two shops, but my experience is that most film guys do not understand the paint correction as well as C-Quartz appliers. I was sold the 'Suntek is better than Xpel for black', and I'm not sure I'd buy that line again. I think either is fine. Call Xpel at their headquarters in San Antonio and ask them who does it in your area (and ask them about Suntek vs. Xpel). Most film guys do both brands. Then get on the C-Quartz site and see if you can find a match, for the one stop shop. Do the paint correction first, then the film, then the C-Quartz finest. Research the heck out of the shop you're going to use (I learned the hard way). If I was picking up a car in SC, I'd drive it to Presidential Detail in Tampa and leave it for a week. Some of their posts show outstanding results on a pitch black car.
     
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    Wow they do look like they do awesome work. Definitely worth exploring thanks! Sent him a PM.
     
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    My car is pitch black. I did paint correction, full front XPEL ultimate, and Ceramic Pro (which is similar to CQuartz).. I had this done immediately after taking delivery of the car, so I have lived with it for 7 months thus far and I am more than happy with it. The advantage of Ceramic Pro over CQuartz Finest is it has been scientifically tested and verified to withstand environmental contaminants. I know the testing isnt cheap, and while CQuartz may indeed protect again the same stuff, I dont believe they have gone through the testing. From what I have seen, they are both similiar pricing, so I went with what I know vs. an unknown. ;)

    I have done this same setup on multiple cars and its absolutely worth it. Swirl marks drive me nuts (especially on a black car) and I still have yet to have a single one!

    Ceramic pro's website should have a dealer locator. Those same shops do paint correction and clear bra installs, so you should be set. The shop that did my install did a blog post on my car. You can check it out here if you are interested:
    http://northwestautosalon.com/2015/...llcat-detail-custom-stripes-ceramic-pro-gold/
     
  5. Corey@CarPro-US

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    OP, Jon at Absolute does INCREDIBLE work, is as honest as they come, he quite simply has everything you would want in a paint correction and ceramic coating specialist.

    The type of scientific testing mentioned by im3cpo WOULD be important (especially for a company that hasn't been around long) But the problem is the labs that do the testing are not able to prove anything at all. I know first hand as I have been involved in setting up over 30k worth of lab testing and have a lot of knowledge on what a lot of other companies do as well. So, heres the BIG problem and the fact of why "scientific testing" doesn't actually prove anything.

    Here is how it works. The company that is paying for the testing has full control over the material, paint that is applied, how that paint is cured, the coating that is applied, how MANY coats of that coating are applied, and how that coating is cured. AFTER they are completely finished creating whatever it is they want to create they then label the sample plate or plates and send them to the lab for the agreed upon tests. The lab receives the plates with ZERO knowledge of what was done before hand and provides their findings at which point the company that paid for it does what they will with it.

    Many coating companies have the adhesion tape test, pencil test, gloss meter, etc done but most don't market it too proudly or at all because they know it does not prove anything.

    Here is what the beginning of any "sgs scientific testing" (or any other lab for that matter) says at the start of it. (Go click for yourself on their "official document" and see for yourself.

    "The following merchandise was submitted and identified by the vendor as:
    Product:
    Manufacturer:
    Country:"
    and so on... Please note the very first sentence. "Identified BY THE VENDOR AS" - This is because they know they cannot prove what was on that plate or how it was prepared. Now lets back up a bit.

    1. -The type of paint makes a significant difference in the hardness of the final ceramic coat on top.
    2.- How that paint is cured makes a difference in its hardness and therefore the coatings hardness
    3.- How many coats makes a difference on some properties as well (especially with some coatings)
    4.- At what Temperature the ceramic coating is cured can again have a significant impact.

    Please note item #3 and #4 and note that some companies have gone so far as to coat their lab sample over 20x and immediately IR Heat cure it to WELL over the temperature that anyone could safely do to an actual vehicle. In the real world we don't want to heat the temps past around 150F via IR but on a lab sample there is no concern about long term damage of the paint or any nearby surface. All it takes is a company that doesn't find anything wrong with dishonest tactics.

    Finally, CarPro has done plenty of scientific tests going back 5-6 years including the pull test, gloss tests, scratch tests, etc and the latest being done last year with a machine that I don't think any other ceramic coating companies have used. Its a machine that slaps a giant hard bristled spinning brush against the coated surface while simultaneously spraying a "silica sand" slurry onto the surface to simulate car wash brushes etc. Because I know the owner of CarPro global personally for years, I am confident that all of CarPro's tests are legit BUT most of you reading this do not know me that well or him that well so again the claims I just made are also pointless to you.

    What is real is having a product on the market for over half a decade and building to a VERY good reputation with ZERO guerrilla marketing, ZERO paying off detailers, ZERO paying celebrities. There are plenty of companies and coatings out there and MANY more to come but the reputation of CQuartz, CQuartz Finest, and CQuartz Finest installers is hard earned, proven, and backed up.

    The tests CarPro is most proud of is the ones they show in real time from actual application to testing without the camera moving away from the subject. Those videos don't have flair, no cool graphics that impress us all, but they are real... And when the curtain closes and someone drives their car out of the detail shop and into their own driveway, there is no graphics and music there either... Only the real world and what the coating actually does had better match what your installer told you it would do.

    In 4 years of Finest in North America we have had about 10-15 total claims and more than half were items that the warranty (by all rights) doesnt cover. However we DID in fact cover every case but one. It keeps me up at night personally if anyone is not satisfied from my customers to the clients of our certified installers.

    For that reason we work very hard to:
    A. - Tell the truth and never make false claims or mislead potential clients in our marketing
    B. - Encourage and educate our installers to do the same. We make it VERY clear from the start that we do not certify detailers that think it is ok to fool their clients
    C. - Work very hard to EDUCATE the end customer (the Client of the Finest installer) on what a ceramic coating can do, can not do, the weaknesses, the strengths, and how they must still be taken care of.
    D. - Focus on the quality of the detailer, both skill, knowledge, ethics, and character

    Ok.... I think I could go on for another hour but its 5:20am and I think you get the picture ;) Its great to have choices! Now you have a bit more info at your fingertips so you can make yours.

    Oh, OP... back to the original point and your question! Jon is amazing, ask him if there is anyone trustworthy at ppf in the town that can come to him to ppf after the paint correction.

    All, feel free to call me anytime if I can answer any further questions or someone give me a wee slap if theres a post here that you want my perspective on.

    Best Regards,
    Corey Carruth
    CQuartz Finest North America
    386-259-0759
     
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  6. MABBRYFL30

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    If you Google that cquartz or the other add on that you have there, there are many companies around the country that perform that kind of service.
    There is also countless numbers on this very site that have had that done previously and may be oval to let you know where it is around you that you can get it done
     
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    Markp Gold Member Hellcat Car Club Gold Supporting Member HCC Club Member

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    My car is in the shop right now getting paint correction and cquartz. I am scared because I am keeping this car forever and am not sure how this will effect the paint 20 years.
     
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    So I've GOOGLE'd the living s#&t out of it and cannot find any place that provides all the services except for the place in Tampa Bay. I'm sure there are several around the country but I don't want to drive thousands of miles. TVPAUTO said they have an external detailer that comes in and does the paint correction then he can come back and apply something like Cquartz called Opticoat pro. Not sure how I feel about that. I need to contact John at absolute like mentioned above to see if he can have somebody come in and do PPF but not sure how I feel about that either. TVP has an extensive website and do tons of very high end cars. I trust their wrap work the outside detailer...kinda unknown. Same situation in revers with the other guy. I want to make sure the guy doing PPF really knows what he is doing and isn't gonna be using knives and doing sub par work.

    Presidential in Tampa has done multiple Hellcats and you can see the quality on their website. They also do full wheels off Cqaurtz, the full interior, all the trim etc.... May be worth the plane ticket an extra hassle.
     
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    Extreme Colors in Greenville SC, did mine. Color correction, Ceramic Pro, Xpel film. Took them 2 days. They do everything for the BMW drivers experience cars here as well.
    Extreme Colors
     
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    As long as you take care of the vehicle, you should be very happy with the application. Over the years, you may need to go back and re-polish and apply the coating again, but that is also based on how you use your vehicle and how you maintain it.

    HUMP
     
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    Dealing with a shop that outsources PPF from a separate provider isn't necessarily a bad thing, honestly. Paint correction and coatings require a somewhat different skill set than PPF and tint, and to do either with the highest of quality takes lots of practice and consistent focus.

    There are some talented folks out there who can indeed do both extremely well, but IMHO there's also something to be said for a provider who knows when to bring an outside specialist in for certain things, as opposed to being a "jack of all trades, master of few" type. I'm sure you can find out from John who he uses for PPF and investigate their work too if it would help ease your concerns.

    Just some food for thought.
     
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    I had TVPauto.com do my black HC and can say they did great PPF work. I was very happy with the results. You will want to do paint correction first, then PPF, and then CQuartz in that order. I had the full front end done plus behind rear wheels.
     
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    Who did your paint correction and Cquartz?
     
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    I am a detailer and own my own shop and do coatings. Have done multiple SRT's and Hellcat. I have a local shop that I work with that does the PPF install for me then I take the car to my house/shop and install Cquartz. To me real world testing is what I trust. I have done both CP and Cquartz and keep coming back to Cquartz. I have done tons of install for clients with nothing but positive feed back. I have had Cquartz on my last 3 cars. I have it on my wifes car and I don't get to take care of it as mush I do with my car and been a year since coating and just recently washed it after about 2 months of not being able to wash it and sitting outside our garage for a extended period of time with details taking up the garage. also tons of pollen. Once I washed it and beaded up and glossed up just like the day I did it and that is a year long and not seeing any breakdown in the coating. Also have a few clients that are going on over a year with coatings and still going strong!


    I have worked with Cory and he is a great guy and I stand by what he says and his company!
     
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    So I may have found a great place in NC to do the paint correction and Cquartz....Jon mentioned above. He has a guy he highly recommends for PPF. That guy is 1 hour away. Looked at his work and it is certainly top notch. Problem is getting the car back and forth.

    Options I see are drive it..not ideal or trailer it. Cannot find a place to rent covered car trailers. I'm thinking a Uhaul trailer and put a car cover on it??? I'm concerned getting it on and off the trailer with low ground clearance and damaging the front splitter.

    Any ideas? Am I being over paranoid? It's a 49 mile drive. Niether can do it on site at the other shop. I think this is because I want a full wrap and the PPF guy uses a lift for the car.
     

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