This Review puts the ATS-V above the Hellcat Challenger

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  1. DrumsOfGrohl

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    The metrics used were (obviously) not just performance on the race track. An interesting article none the less:


    Dodge Challenger Hellcat VS. Cadillac ATS-V Coupe - American performance superheroes battle it out!

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    The best part about driving the ATS-V is that it makes you feel like a better driver.

    We’re living in a golden age for muscle cars. Almost every brand has a performance car as its halo atop a range spanning from hatchbacks to crossovers. The race to imbue them with more and more horsepower goes on uninterrupted, much to our delight.

    For a while, it seemed like true American supercars were being outpaced by European entries, led by Mercedes-AMG and BMW’s M division. But we’re very happy to report that the American muscle car market is alive and well.

    That's why we brought together two of the best, for a head-to-head showdown between the Cadillac ATS-V Coupe and the Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat.

    By most objective metrics, it makes the most sense to compare the fire-breathing Hellcat to a different Cadillac, the 640-hp supercharged CTS-V sedan. Looking more closely, however, the Hellcat and ATS-V Coupe are the competitors priced within a couple hundred dollars of one another.

    We also like the fact that these are true American two-doors with a pedigree known the world over. Yes, the ATS-V is down nearly 250-horsepower and two cylinders over the rip-roaring and V-8-powered Hellcat. But we aren't judging the winner here based on racetrack numbers or simple performance data. The best car here is going to win because it has the power and poise for all situations - i.e. the kind of driving you're most likely to do in the real world, not the automotive fantasy land presented in so many other reviews and comparisons.

    And trust us, you're going to be surprised by the result.

    Second Place: 2016 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat
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    JEFF JABLANSKY

    The Challenger SRT Hellcat has the power of approximately 4.5 Mazda MX-5 Miatas, or almost ten Mitsubishi Mirage hatchbacks.
    The first thing you need to know about the Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat is that it’s an unapologetic hooligan. A crib sheet for the Hellcat would have “707 HP” above all other facts. This is a Dodge that’s more powerful than the Viper, yet two-thirds as expensive and built for the street, not the track.

    As soon as you begin to put the Hellcat’s supercharged 6.2-liter V-8 and massive output into perspective, the comparisons start rolling in. It has the power of approximately 4.5 Mazda MX-5 Miatas, or almost ten Mitsubishi Mirage hatchbacks. Even the all-powerful Tesla Model S P90D has less grunt. This is crazy, you think. You're not entirely wrong, either.

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    JEFF JABLANSKY

    The interior is mostly stock, but a nifty SRT app in the UConnect infotainment cluster lets you know exactly how many of the 707-horsepower are in service at any given moment.
    The Challenger Hellcat's mean-looking appearance is no accident: the body kit and stance of the Hellcat is meant to intimidate other cars and drivers. Inside, ‘70s-style, over-bolstered front seats with an emblazoned SRT logo invite you to settle in before roasting the rear tires.

    The interior is mostly stock, but a nifty SRT app in the UConnect infotainment cluster lets you know exactly how many of the 707-horsepower are in service at any given moment. The dead giveaway to distinguishing the Challenger SRT Hellcat—and its four-door sibling, the Charger SRT Hellcat sedan—from less powerful models is the presence of dark, smoked wheels on meaty tires…and lack of tread on said tires. Oh, and the inner 'headlight' on the driver's side is actually an air intake. Go ahead, stuff your hand in one and find out for yourself.

    READ MORE ABOUT THE 2016 DODGE CHALLENGER SRT

    The rear-wheel-drive Hellcat has built something of a reputation for its ability to execute smoky burnouts. While we can neither confirm nor deny the awesomeness of this capability (it's confirmed!), this trait is the number-one concern of passersby and interested parties. Everyone will want you to lay down serious rubber in this muscle machine.

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    JEFF JABLANSKY

    This is a Dodge that’s more powerful than the Viper, yet two-thirds as expensive and built for the street, not the track.
    Despite its looks, however, the fearsome Hellcat—which takes its name from extreme military aircraft—can be a pussycat to drive, when given a light touch of the throttle. This is more true in Hellcats equipped with the super-smooth 8-speed automatic transmission, but gentle control of the 6-speed manual can also produce very relaxed and everyday-drivable results.

    The gear lever in our test car had a vague tolerance for clicking into second and third gears. The Hellcat, like other Challengers, still feels a ponderous boat to maneuver. Compared to the Camaro and Mustang, the Challenger feels the biggest and softest of the three. Nicely weighted steering and enormous Brembo brakes make all this performance controllable, however, and also extremely exciting when you put your right foot down on the gas.

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    JEFF JABLANSKY

    If driving the American muscle car with unmatched power and street cred is what you’re looking to do, either Hellcat should make your list.
    There’s no turning off the loud exhaust note, and the supercharged wail only gets louder as you step deeply into the accelerator. This isn't a car for the bashful.

    If driving the American muscle car with unmatched power and street cred is what you’re looking to do, either Hellcat should make your list. They’ll have you speaking in overzealous superlative cliches as you smoke those rear tires, time after time.

    Just be sure to hold on tight.

    Highs: Unmatched power, strong brakes, worldwide name recognition, huge trunk.

    Lows: Hard to keep under control, awkward shifter action, some quality issues

    Conclusion: A hero and a villain, all in one car.

    Vital Stats: 2016 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat

    Price: $63,490 (including $995 destination fee)

    Powertrain: Rear-wheel drive, 6.2-liter supercharged V-8 engine, 707 hp, 650 lb.-ft. of torque, 6-speed manual or 8-speed automatic transmission

    Fuel economy (mpg, 6-speed manual): 13 mpg city / 21 mpg highway

    First Place: 2016 Cadillac ATS-V Coupe

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    The Cadillac ATS-V Coupe is confident in its ability to precisely smoke almost any muscle car.
    If the Hellcat sits on one end of the performance car spectrum, focused mostly on sheer output and bragging rights, the Cadillac ATS-V Coupe rests comfortably on the other side, confident in its ability to precisely smoke almost any muscle car.

    There isn’t much to add about the ATS-V’s everyday performance beyond what we learned on our first drive of the coupe and its sedan counterpart late last year. The V treatment extends the goodness of the balanced ATS chassis, as well as the life of the gracefully aging ATS lineup. The package is tasteful, marrying optional carbon-fiber trim with an aggressive front splitter without coming off too rough-and-tumble or boy racer.

    Unlike the Hellcat, the interior has a more noticeable change from the ATS' standard luxury trim, with carbon fiber accents throughout. Well done, Cadillac.

    The best aspect about the ATS-V is the ability to drive it hard with very little effort. Its turbo-charged, 464-hp engine is a true gem, with power available in lower gears without having to run up to the top of the tachometer. Let the ATS-V roar, send the RPMs anywhere above 4,000, and the engine comes alive with the same scream we remember from taking it on a track.

    Read the rest of the reasons why the ATS-V has the Hellcat beat: Comparison: Cadillac ATS-V Coupe v. Dodge Challenger Hellcat
     
  2. Zebug

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    Drive up to 2 different girls in either car... The one that is going to f**k your brains out on the way to your place will pick the Hellcat, the one that's going to make you meet the parents and go to church before eventually letting you sample the goods is going to pick the Cadillac.

    Conclusion... Hellcat wins
     
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    This forum primary membership bias is nothing is better then the hellcat, it has no faults. Until the honey-moon days are over for the membership here no one will start seeing that while the hellcat is a great car, it isn't the best thing since sliced bread.

    This article is stating what car is better out of the two for regular use? The ATS-V is. Just like how this membership complained that consumer reports is some "liberal rag". Blindness.
     
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    solo7777 SRT Terminator Hellcat Car Club Western Regional President HCC Charter Member

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    I know which one I would rather be seen in. ;)
     
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  5. TNCHARGER

    TNCHARGER SRT Hellcat Supporter Gold Supporting Member

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    Really an apple to oranges comparison....who would have a HC and ATS-V on the same bucket list of muscle cars they want. The ATS-V would better suite my 60 yo wife...
     
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    a mopar guy has never worried about what others think of his car. we know what we have and your opinion doesnt matter
     
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    Agreed. There is clear bias in this forum, however there are still those objective among us that can read between the lines. It's all dependent on what you are looking for. I find that my Charger is very comfortable in a daily drive situation and personally prefer the interior of it to the ATS-V or CTS-V, but clearly that's just an opinion. Interestingly though, so is who wins this comparison.

    Let's look at the number of lemon's produced for each.

    Toyota Tops, Fiat Flops in AutoGuide’s 1st Annual Lemon List » AutoGuide.com News

    Cadillac is about 4 times MORE likely to produce a lemon than is Dodge. That would concern me.

    It talks about how it's better overall in the daily drive segment, but the rear seat is smaller and it's a stiff ride. Stiff ride is fine if it's a track car, but it's contradictory to them saying that the Hellcat can be relaxed and a good daily driver.

    Overall, I just find too many irregularities in this article to see how the Cadillac is the "clear" winner. I see how they are saying it may be more civil than the CTS-V, but if I wanted civil, I would have gotten the SRT 392 or the Scat Pack.

    But I digress.
     
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    Moronic comparison, other than the fact that they are both fast cars. Don't get me wrong. Both Caddy V's are bad ass rides. That said, they are totally different from the Challenger and no need to compare them other than at the track. The Challenger, while offering very much improved options and interiors, is not after the luxury market.
     
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    The caddy definitely has some balls, but Jesus, it is one ugly looking car
     
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    The sole thing in common these two cars have is their price.
    Zebug nailed it on the description between the two. Take both cars to any car meet or gathering and park them 50 feet apart, guess where the crowd will be gathering?
    Then ask everyone at the gathering which car they'd take if they could choose between the two, it would be the Hellcat.
    The ATS 3.6 liter V6 regular model would be the far preferred version for anybody looking at buying an ATS.
    People buy the Hellcat because it's not like anything else. It's like the muscle cars of the 60's. It's an emotional car to own. The ATS-V is just another luxury performance car (though it's a good one).

    It was pretty useless to compare these two cars. Might as well of compared a BMW X5M to a Corvette Z06 or Viper.
     
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    Sorry still looks like a grocery getter to me. A fast, well handling one, but still not badass at all.
     
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    The Caddy is a great car, no doubt.

    But it has almost zero presence or attitude. The facts are simple: The Hellcat broke the 700 HP barrier and lest we forget, the Charger version gets groceries too, and looks meaner (and faster) doing it.

    Caddy will handle better and be more comfortable, but it's not going to generate the same kind of aura, nor was it designed to.
    The Caddy would be better for my father.


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    DGatzby Gold Member Hellcat Car Club HCC Charter Member Midwest Regional Pres.

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    It is great that everyone needs to compare their favorites to a Hellcat. We must own the standard.
     
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    Exactly right. There's some nut who's been posting a LOT of vids showing the Hellcat vs. many other cars in 0-100 KM/P with the Hellcat losing most of time because they use the same slow 5.05 second time on every video! There's a lot of haters out there and the Hellcat is too good for its own good I guess.

    You see it pitted against all kinds of crazy two seaters and even bikes. That says it all.

    It's the car to beat and even when it's not winning the race, it's STILL the car people talk about.



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    I gotta say... I haven't liked Cadillac coupes since they went to those ridiculous vertical headlights in 2002?
    I think all their body styles since have been fugly.

    But to each their own.

    /shrug
     

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