2021+ Front Drag Wheel

tjohnson · 2021-04-25

Anyone with a 2021 car found any options for a front drag wheel? Using these stock fronts on my Charger Redeye is killing me lol.

Ron b

· #101 · Apr 1, 2022 (Edited)

Unavowed said:
Did they quote you the weight of a forged RTS rather than the cast D5? Your "all in" price of @ $1.5k is @ $1k less than what the forged version would cost.

Nope was for the Weld Ventura 5s, the D5s I have are on the rears. They're still showing 19lbs on website they should correct it.

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Unavowed

· #102 · Apr 1, 2022

That screenshot looks like a third party site. Whom did you order them from?

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Ron b

· #103 · Apr 1, 2022

I bought them directly from Weld, that's a pic of the Dragracingwheels.com link posted earlier on this thread.

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Unavowed

· #104 · Apr 1, 2022

I think dragdacingwheels has bad intel. I don't believe Welds lists weights on their site.

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· #105 · Apr 1, 2022

Unavowed said:
I think dragdacingwheels has bad intel. I don't believe Welds lists weights on their site.

Yes that is a fact since they weigh 25lbs, but to be fair they are probably only going by what they were told. I didn't even see that they listed the weight, just saw that when I looked.

I was going by what I was told by Weld directly, and to be fair to them they did say about 19lbs so maybe they were misinformed by supplier.

I did look at them real quick vs my D5s and the spokes are thicker, and center hub is huge.

I'm guessing that's because it has to support more of the weight and it's more concentrated because of the smaller width of the rim.

All that being said they had what they had to work with and they did make the 20x5 happen.

I'm sure if they could have made it lighter they would have, time will tell if anyone else makes a comparable wheel that's lighter.

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rickydeuce

· #106 · Apr 2, 2022 (Edited)

Ron b said:
The Weld 20x5 wheels showed up today, very pretty indeed, but they weigh substantially more than the quoted 19 lbs ☹.
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On my scale they come in at approximately 25.3lbs.
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Ad that to the tire weight of approximately 17lbs 9.8oz, View attachment 591043
Makes for an approximate weight of the wheel and tire combo of 43.3 lbs.

Compare that to my factory forged 5 spoke 20x9.5 wheel, with Pzero 275/40/20 tire,
It weighs in on the same scale at approximately 58lbs 8oz.

That makes a savings of approximately 15.5 lbs per wheel and tire combo, for total 31lbs of rotating mass, plus the lower rolling resistance of the much skinnier tire.

The cost of the set for me was $1504, plus mounting and balancing.

I'm kind of torn on this if the wheels had indeed weighed in at 19lbs the savings would have been 43lbs total, which is what I was counting on, an I'd be thrilled.

But at 31lbs, approximately a 28% increase in weight, while still good with it I'm less than enthusiastic.

Guess I'll have to take my ass to the gym and drop the other 12 lbs.!!!!! Lol

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Ron b

· #107 · Apr 2, 2022

rickydeuce said:
Guess I'll have to take my ass to the gum and drop the other 12 lbs.!!!!! Lol

Now you're going to far 🤣

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Ron b

· #108 · Apr 2, 2022

Was taking to my tire guy last night and he told that the smallest tire that would work properly on the factory 20x9.5 wheel is a 235/35/20.

Knowing that I went looking for the lightest tire I could find in that size and came up with a Pirelli P zero weighing only 21 lbs.

That is quite a weight savings of 12lbs per tire 24lbs total vs the stock 33lb weight of the P zero Nero 275/40/20.

For those planning on running the 195s it's the same weight savings (assuming you have the 5 spoke wheels), minus tire resistance of the skinnier tire, and your saving the $1000.

In my case if you subtract the 12 lbs off of the 58.8 lbs I measured would make it 46.8 per tire vs the 43.3 lbs of my welds with 175s on it ( not including balance weights).

Not sure if 7lbs is worth $1000.

I think I'll take all the stuff down to an actual scale so I can get accurate weights and then decide.

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Steiny

· #109 · Apr 4, 2022

Got any pics on the car yet Ron?

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Ron b

· #110 · Apr 4, 2022

Steiny said:
Got any pics on the car yet Ron?

Not yet waiting on the TPMS sensors to show up. When I had the rim mounted on the car I could see that they will be flush to the outer fender lip and fill it up nicely (not set in like stock skinnies on demon for example).

I'm taking the wheel and tire to actual scale today to see what the total weight is vs stock with the 21lb Pirellis and decide then.

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Ron b

· #111 · Apr 4, 2022

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Well took the wheel and tire and my factory set to the FedEx by me and the were nice enough to weigh everything for me, and unfortunately my scale was pretty accurate ☹.

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Tire is a Bridgestone 175/55/20

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The stock Red-eye 5 spoke wheel and 275/40/20 P Zero Nero's we're a 1lb 7oz lighter than on my scale.

Am really leaning towards the lightweight Pirelli's.

I'm waiting to hear back from a guy that makes lightweight forged wheels that claims his 20x9 weighs in at 20lbs, definitely going to want proof this time and an actual price on those.

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Steiny

· #112 · Apr 4, 2022

Don't get too hung up on weight.... Contact patch on a dragstrip is as important.

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Ron b

· #113 · Apr 4, 2022

Steiny said:
Don't get too hung up on weight.... Contact patch on a dragstrip is as important.

Agreed, the 235s are 2.4" wider, lots of things to consider.

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Ron b

· #114 · Apr 4, 2022

Ron b said:
I'm waiting to hear back from a guy that makes lightweight forged wheels that claims his 20x9 weighs in at 20lbs, definitely going to want proof this time and an actual price on those.

Dead end, weighs 23lbs, needs spacers and is 9.5 not 9.

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· #115 · Apr 4, 2022

Take a look at the Pirelli P Zero in 215/45/20. 22 lbs & good height / width specs. I’m leaning this direction for tires & sending some spare wheels to WeldCraft to narrow.

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Ron b

· #116 · Apr 4, 2022

Under-Pressure said:
Take a look at the Pirelli P Zero in 215/45/20. 22 lbs & good height / width specs. I’m leaning this direction for tires & sending some spare wheels to WeldCraft to narrow.

Will do, what are they quoting you on the job?

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· #117 · Apr 4, 2022

Ron b said:
Will do, what are they quoting you on the job?

I have not Quoted this yet but past work (widening wheels) has been $250 - $300 per wheel. A++ workmanship & customer service.

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Ron b

· #118 · Apr 5, 2022

Here's where all the weight is coming from, that's a huge center hub. The spokes are about 3 mm thicker than my D5s as well.

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After looking at several other custom wheel options, all of which weighed more than advertised (asked to see them on a scale, fool me once and all that), required spacers, or weighed more than 25lbs, I've decided these are still the best way to go.

The lighter tires are also a good way to go if you already have a spare pair of rims to use, but cost of the lightweight Mopar wheels are more than these so didn't go that route.

I'll have mine mounted and post some pics as soon as the TPMS sensors show up.

I'm happy that Weld came up with a solution and appreciate their efforts and hopefully they will translate into quicker ETs. Will let you know on that front as well.

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rickydeuce

· #119 · Apr 5, 2022

Ron b said:
Here's where all the weight is coming from, that's a huge center hub. The spokes are about 3 mm thicker than my D5s as well.
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After looking at several other custom wheel options, all of which weighed more than advertised (asked to see them on a scale, fool me once and all that), required spacers, or weighed more than 25lbs, I've decided these are still the best way to go.

The lighter tires are also a good way to go if you already have a spare pair of rims to use, but cost of the lightweight Mopar wheels are more than these so didn't go that route.

I'll have mine mounted and post some pics as soon as the TPMS sensors show up.

I'm happy that Weld came up with a solution and appreciate their efforts and hopefully they will translate into quicker ETs. Will let you know on that front as well.

Thanks for all.your work!

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Ron b

· #120 · Apr 6, 2022

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Got the Welds mounted and balanced, have to say they do look sweet.

Here's the weight with TMPS (2oz) and balancing weights (2oz), about 43lbs works out to about a 15lb savings per wheel+tire vs the 58lbs per of my stock ones.

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Here's the side pic and pics of the front wheel fit.

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Took it out and the fronts at 45psi road really nice and felt stable at 75 mph, and tracked well under braking and cornering.

Well there you have it, finally a solid skinny solution to 2021+ Red-eye problem.

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