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RUMOR: New 2023 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat Redeye Capable Of 900+ HP!

Last week, MoparInsiders.com broke the news that Dodge//SRT was secretly working on a factory E85 fuel-capable Hellcat. Now after probing one of our sources, we know have a hint about how much power the newest addition to the Hellcat lineup will have when running E85 fuel. 2023 Dodge Challenger...

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[OKSS]

Sure hope they make it available in a narrow body.

 

[Toad 1]

RIP to the Demon market. Those are going to drop like a rock if this actually get's released...

 

[JonWrong]

I just bought a new 2022 thinking that 2023s will be hard to come by, so I am on the fence about this. At the moment, I kind of hope it is not true for selfish reasons. I can't go through wanting and getting another upgrade.

That being said, I do not see this happening. Dodge cannot keep up with 2022 demand. They designed and advertised the stage upgrade kits. Those still are not available for sale. They re-advertised the hellephant engine. Direct Connection told me on the phone (when I was added to the wait list) that they never expect those to be built. Dodge has been riding the wave of the Demon R&D since 2018. I do not see how or why they would E85 the car for one last hurrah and break their promises to all the Demon guys.

 

[OKSS]

Dodge has been riding the wave of the Demon R&D since 2018. I do not see how or why they would E85 the car for one last hurrah and break their promises to all the Demon guys.

Outside of the crate, the Super Stock has already broke the promise to the Demon guys.

 

[njsteve]

Dodge never promised to not go beyond the power output of the Demon. It's like the 1976 Cadillac convertible buyers who were thought since GM was not going to build a convertible after that model year, that their cars would be the ultimate collectible forever. So they bought them all up thinking they'd be worth bazillions of dollars in the future.

Well, a decade or so later when GM started building ragtops again, several Cadillackers filed lawsuits against GM for violating the alleged "last convertible ever, forever" statement. As predicted, they were laughed out of court.

Same deal here.

That's the way carmakers work. They add something slightly newer, bigger, better, or more horsepowery, so you're interested in trading/selling this year's car you just bought, for a chance to get next year's car which has some more horses or a new color, or even worse tire selections. 🤪

 

[Bowlerguy92]

E85 isn't available here or in many markets in the US so this will definitely be a limited audience. I could not daily drive this in NH even if I wanted to.

 

[JonWrong]

E85 isn't available here or in many markets in the US so this will definitely be a limited audience. I could not daily drive this in NH even if I wanted to.

It would likely be E85 capable like the race gas tune on the Demons. They are not going to make an E85 car only. The question is, will it just be software and an easy upgrade for everyone else. Probably not; imagine the claimed 909 would require more injector.

 

[Reaperhwk]

I would say it’s plausible. And if so, these things will be HARD to get. And mark ups galore!! If it’s an awesome car you bet I’ll be searching for an MSRP deal and place an order if I can!

I'd sell the JB if the 2023 ever hits D1. This is all like a 5% chance with everything that needs to happen.......................... I can try though.

 

[jchristena]

I just bought a new 2022 thinking that 2023s will be hard to come by, so I am on the fence about this. At the moment, I kind of hope it is not true for selfish reasons. I can't go through wanting and getting another upgrade.

That being said, I do not see this happening. Dodge cannot keep up with 2022 demand. They designed and advertised the stage upgrade kits. Those still are not available for sale. They re-advertised the hellephant engine. Direct Connection told me on the phone (when I was added to the wait list) that they never expect those to be built. Dodge has been riding the wave of the Demon R&D since 2018. I do not see how or why they would E85 the car for one last hurrah and break their promises to all the Demon guys.

I did the same thing. With the '23s being up in the air, I 'settled' for a 22 RE.

 

[SC-Redeye]

Man, I can't help but feel like their "going out with a bang" is a bit of a letdown if that's to imply that the big unveiling is that there's a potential for a 100 HP (or so) jump on E85 fuel, etc...I would think "most" drivers couldn't really be bothered with it?

I kinda just want to fill up with regular 91-93 gas to sidestep the potential issues related to using E85. Are there any long-term issues related to E85 usage?

 

[riddic99]

Demon killer if true.

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[JonWrong]

The other thing is. Developing an E85 tune, etc. takes WAY more work than what they put into the "big" change with jailbreaks. That was zero effort.

 

[Toad 1]

Man, I can't help but feel like their "going out with a bang" is a bit of a letdown if that's to imply that the big unveiling is that there's a potential for a 100 HP (or so) jump on E85 fuel, etc...I would think "most" drivers couldn't really be bothered with it?

I kinda just want to fill up with regular 91-93 gas to sidestep the potential issues related to using E85. Are there any long-term issues related to E85 usage?

As far as I'm aware there's no real long term issues if you have a specific tune to E85. I do know it is more corrosive to internal components that are not designed for it, but I would guarantee that the internals for an E85 factory car would be to spec.

Only real negative is that E85 attracts water/moisture so it is dangerous to leave E85 in the tank for long periods of time. I would guarantee for this reason it would be flexible between standard premium gas and E85 otherwise you are going to run into problems storing your car for winter, etc with 85 sitting in it.

As for disappointment, I feel like there's not much more they can do. Emission BS is likely limiting what is possible nowadays, as the hellcat in its standard form is already on the cusp of breaking regulations.

 

[Reaperhwk]

Reality is most people who get this e85 version will never put e85 in it. It will be a garage show piece.

 

[SC-Redeye]

As far as I'm aware there's no real long term issues if you have a specific tune to E85. I do know it is more corrosive to internal components that are not designed for it, but I would guarantee that the internals for an E85 factory car would be to spec.

Only real negative is that E85 attracts water/moisture so it is dangerous to leave E85 in the tank for long periods of time. I would guarantee for this reason it would be flexible between standard premium gas and E85 otherwise you are going to run into problems storing your car for winter, etc with 85 sitting in it.

As for disappointment, I feel like there's not much more they can do. Emission BS is likely limiting what is possible nowadays, as the hellcat in its standard form is already on the cusp of breaking regulations.

Very interesting. I wasn't aware of most of these things you mention. Thank you!

 

[Toad 1]

Reality is most people who get this e85 version will never put e85 in it. It will be a garage show piece.

Sad part is that probably 75% of buyers, if not more, are gonna buy it in hopes of flipping it for 100k over msrp with no intention of driving it.

 

[Bobo]

Drive em! That's what they were built for.

 

[Reaperhwk]

Drive em! That's what they were built for.

what percentage of demons are daily drivers? Lol. These cars won’t get driven.

 

[Bobo]

what percentage of demons are daily drivers? Lol. These cars won’t get driven.

I know, just makes me sad.