2023 Hellcat prices
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For orders, the prices will be 8-10% higher or so on the MSRP. Hooooow-ev-errrrrr...
They will very likely sell out in a month's time. Everyone who's been waiting on a closeout year Hellcat will hit the dealerships on day 1 or 2 of the order banks opening. Any MSRP deals will evaporate, quickly. Any cars that show up in dealer stocks will be priced 15-25k above MSRP... if not more. So basically look at today's prices and add 10%. That's going to be a fairly decent estimate, given inflation increases over the '22 MY. MSRP deals, even on orders, will be a rarity. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the average Redeye selling prices weren't in the 120-130k range.
They will very likely sell out in a month's time. Everyone who's been waiting on a closeout year Hellcat will hit the dealerships on day 1 or 2 of the order banks opening. Any MSRP deals will evaporate, quickly. Any cars that show up in dealer stocks will be priced 15-25k above MSRP... if not more. So basically look at today's prices and add 10%. That's going to be a fairly decent estimate, given inflation increases over the '22 MY. MSRP deals, even on orders, will be a rarity. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the average Redeye selling prices weren't in the 120-130k range.
^^^^^LMAO
Stellantis CEO: "“I am very concerned about the effect of affordability” and that it’s “becoming much more of an issue as inflationary pressures escalate,”
So I do not expect much of a bump in the MSRP for the 2023 models. Less than $1000. Shipping costs will be increased but not so much the car itself. Inflation is starting to hurt so do not expect the orders to sell out in a month. (Maybe for the new E85 Challenger but not the WBRE, RE, WB Hellcat or Hellcat)
Hellcats on the dealers lots for sale will command the same premium as they do today. It is up to the individual dealer and not all charge more than MSRP.
Folks have been buying up the 2021, 2022's because of the stupid rumor that there will be limited supplies in 2023. Or the rumor that everyone is waiting for the final 2023 model year to get a collectable. I call B.S. on this. Those that can afford to sell their old Hellcat for a new 2023 will do so. Many on this forum, but there is not going to be a huge rush when the order banks open up. We will see in October. The Hellcat is the only car going bye bye in 2023. There are other options available for the next few years to get a high powered muscle car.
Next big day: August 15th for the details on the E85 Challenger and how many will be sold
Stellantis CEO: "“I am very concerned about the effect of affordability” and that it’s “becoming much more of an issue as inflationary pressures escalate,”
So I do not expect much of a bump in the MSRP for the 2023 models. Less than $1000. Shipping costs will be increased but not so much the car itself. Inflation is starting to hurt so do not expect the orders to sell out in a month. (Maybe for the new E85 Challenger but not the WBRE, RE, WB Hellcat or Hellcat)
Hellcats on the dealers lots for sale will command the same premium as they do today. It is up to the individual dealer and not all charge more than MSRP.
Folks have been buying up the 2021, 2022's because of the stupid rumor that there will be limited supplies in 2023. Or the rumor that everyone is waiting for the final 2023 model year to get a collectable. I call B.S. on this. Those that can afford to sell their old Hellcat for a new 2023 will do so. Many on this forum, but there is not going to be a huge rush when the order banks open up. We will see in October. The Hellcat is the only car going bye bye in 2023. There are other options available for the next few years to get a high powered muscle car.
Next big day: August 15th for the details on the E85 Challenger and how many will be sold
DUDE,
2022 model year alone saw a total of 3-5k price hike alone in just one model year. you honestly think the same thing wont happen for the last model year of the hellcat, get real. The starting msrp may not increase by 1,000 but it will still be 4k higher in total from the previous model year starting msrp due to the price hikes. PLUS options will probably increase another $500 a piece like they did last few years. Harmon Kardon used to be 1200 option, its now 1995. CEO'S can say whatever they want fact is dealers are charging insane prices TODAY for hellcats, what makes you think the last year for a supercharged V8 ever will not show huge price increases. What is affordable about a 100k car? dealerships are making the highest profit margins in history as well as the factories. Plus factory will only operate for half the year and order banks probably wont open until the very end of the year... 23' will be a blood bath if you can even get one built. The demand will be highest its ever been.
We can both rant about what is to come this October. However, Dodge has done it's homework and whether we agree on the path forward or not, I think just the opposite. This August Dodge will announce the new eMuscle car specs and we will see what it looks like. IMO once that is out, there will be die hard ICE fans that will want the last year 2023 model, but a majority will be lining up for the 2024 eMuscle car. Demand for the 2023 will not be anywhere near a blood bath IMO.
Here is why, and this comes from the Dodge Video:
1. Dodge attracts the youngest, most-Diverse customer
2. 1/4 of the U.S. Population with the #1 spending power
3. This generation is the #1 for EV acceptance rate
I hope I am wrong, but we will see in August at the reveal and then again in October when the order banks open for the 2023.
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I think you are totally wrong. Have you not been listening to all the forum HC owners who have deep pockets? You sound just a little naive to think the last year of the iconic HC will not be in very high demand. Who cares if they go up 2k or 5k more on MSRP, it's the dealers who will be doing the price fixing. Blood bath, indeed! And why bring up the new EV? That doesn't have much to do with the ICE Hellcat. Plenty will buy the new EV, but that's not what the discussion is about. It's about the final 2023 Hellcats. The 2023 HC will be one of the most desired cars in automotive history. I will eat my words if the 2023 cars become like the '71 Hemi cars that just sat on the lots for months. But it ain't gonna happen.
did not know that.. thats a good point.
where did you locate that info?
There are a little over 31,000 members, of which only a small fraction post on this site on a regular basis. How many actually own a Hellat? Of the sampling, you say have deep pockets, do not believe everything you read on car forums. I know only a 1/2 dozen on this site that I could recognize if I saw them.
I brought up the EV because I have been told it is going to be a game changer. I love the ICE cars but in August you will see Tim K. reveal a car that a whole lot of people are going to want. The people that regularly buy a Dodge. Not the majority on this site that would never buy an EV, including me. I predict (Just me) that the demand in 2024 for this new eMuscle car will be higher than the 2023 Hellcat orders. They may not be able to keep up with the demand in 2024 IMO.
I am also predicting, just what you described, similar to 1971 when the cars sat on the lot for a long time. I just do not believe there is going to be a huge rush to get the last model. Only a very small amount of folks believe it will be a collector in the future. The E85 being revealed in August on the other hand, will be a frenzy trying to get one. Customer Orders only for the E85, dealers will not be able to order one for their showroom and limited production.
I will bring this thread back up in August, at the end of October. and the first of the year 2023. We will see who is right about the future of Dodge and the Hellcat sales.
Given that they cannot build enough now, dealer lots are 90% empty, prices on everything have skyrocketed (I closed my hobby/business when steel prices doubled), the ports are still backed up while the sec of transportation tells people to buy electrics, all this even before considering the last model year desirability, I can’t imagine not seeing a substantial price increase.
I have always said, 23 will be full of $pecial Edition$ which is an easy way to disguise price increases.
I don’t think the EV muscle car will be a huge hit, but they will sell all they make, I don’t expect it will be cheap.
Time will tell.
I have always said, 23 will be full of $pecial Edition$ which is an easy way to disguise price increases.
I don’t think the EV muscle car will be a huge hit, but they will sell all they make, I don’t expect it will be cheap.
Time will tell.
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The whole jail break 3 card monte is showing you that the bean counters win...limit the menu so much that to get anything you really want is an upcharge and you feel great about it because it is a 1 of 1..
All I have to say is that I broker cars as a side job. I currently have a fleet order placed for my customers who bought in for the '23 Jailbreaks. Every customer I have that contacts me about securing a '23 wants either a Jailbreak or whatever the special model is going to be. Only 2 of my customers are in the US. All the rest are in the Middle East (as I do mainly international exports to Australia, Germany, UK, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE).
Since I started doing this in 2019, I've probably been directly contacted from private buyers overseas maybe 5 times. I usually work with dealerships, secure cars, then handle the shipping logistics and customs process for top tier performance cars and exotics. In the last 4 months, I've been contacted by no fewer than 50 people wanting in on the '23s.
The order banks will open and Dodge will get about 90% of their orders that they build in '23 in the first week, if not the first 2 days. Furthermore, at least with my clients, they aren't trying to order just 1. They want 3 or 4 to mothball and drive 1. The shitstorm that is the '23 ordering process is going to be a bloodbath for common folks that think they can go into a dealership and wheel and deal to get an MSRP or less deal on a car. It'll no doubt happen, but the vast majority of cars are going to be scooped up by very wealthy speculators doing bulk buys. Trust me. One of my customers here in the US is doing that with the '22 GT500. He has 9 of them and is awaiting delivery of 6 more. Every single one of them is unused and in permanent long term storage.
That's going to be the norm with a lot of the '23 top tier cars. The collectors don't want Hellcats and Redeyes. Right now they want Jailbreaks and SS cars. Whatever the closeout special edition is will land on the top of the list. However, this mass frenzy is going to drive up the price on the Hellcats and Redeyes as dealers will assume that these collectors will overpay for those too... that's how the common man is going to get screwed in all this.
And, the reason why the '22s have been on fire is because these are the smart people trying to get a car before they get priced out of the '23s. If I owned a dealership, I'd be one of those people charging insane markups... only because I understand who's going to be doing most of the buying in '23. Of course, that's going to be ultra wealthy collectors and/or affluent people who see $10,000 the same way most of us value $20.
Lastly, they're still building cars from December. If you think for a second that the '23 is going to be not as bad... you might be a little touched by the sun.
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that's why if you have a smaller local dealer with a relationship, good things can happen.
Based on your expert opinion on previous posts I will take this sort of information with a very considerable grain of salt.
There is an old southern saying. "His nose is so high in the air he could drown in a rainstorm"
Well, I hope you're happy with your 392Based on your expert opinion on previous posts I will take this sort of information with a very considerable grain of salt.
There is an old southern saying. "His nose is so high in the air he could drown in a rainstorm"
It is actually a Hellcat Shortblock stroked to 410 with Thitek heads. Shortblocks were only $3500 back in 2016. Everyone knows the 392 though, not a 410.Well, I hope you're happy with your 392
BTW, are you in a Hellcat, JB, Lexus or a Mustang GT500? The one GT500 fell through from a previous thread but considering you have all of these Fleet orders since 2019 (Post #15 above) "One of my customers here in the US is doing that with the '22 GT500. He has 9 of them and is awaiting delivery of 6 more. Every single one of them is unused and in permanent long term storage." I figured you would be the first in line to get a new one instead of handing them out to this guy with 9 of them, soon to have 15.
Cheers
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