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Hi guys, as you know, I recently sold my 2020. The buyer reached out to me recently, complaining that he seemingly damaged his paint by driving through an automatic car wash. It put a bunch of swirl marks in it and he asked if I knew how to get rid of them.

If you own a Hellraisin car, or any dark colored Hellcat (black, Sinastick, Octane Red, etc), this advice is going to be helpful for you. Mopar does a FANTASTIC job painting these cars (sarcasm). The paint is somewhat thin and the clearcoats are fragile. You should think twice about ever taking it through an automatic car wash, touchless or not. That being said, here's my advice. Feel free to add yours if you have some of your own:

- PPF: I actually don't like PPF as I'm OCD and can tell the difference between PPF and a waxed car. However, PPF is great for protecting the paint... until the PPF starts to show wear.

- Never rub/buff the car when it's dry: Again, referring to the delicate top coat, it's very easy to put swirl marks and micro abrasions in the car's finish. If you have to rub out a hard water spot or something off the car, wet the spot and use a wet rag or sponge. If it needs some elbow grease, spray detailer on it first.

- Fixing blemishes: Hellraisin in particular was challenging for me to keep pristine. To get out swirl marks, I used a rubbing compound and a 3" orbital to blend and polish it out. For scratches, I used the same rubbing compound and a scratch fix compound to blend it then went back over it with PCD touchup paint and buffed/blended that in.

- Be careful with water-free spray washes: You can use these, products like No H2O Spray Wash and Griot's Garage Speed Wash. However, you have to use them liberally. When it tells you to spray on, then wipe off... you should spray 2x more than you think you needed, then wipe it off. You don't want to rub dirt around on the paint if it isn't soaked.

- Splash guards are awesome: Yeah, they don't look the best, but they keep rocks and dirt off your doors and rear fender flares if so equipped. Super easy to install, works great.

- Ceramic coatings: This is another good protection you can perform, if you want to pay for it. I didn't ceramic coat my car, and instead opted for aircraft grade professional wax. Ceramics are expensive and have some unique maintenance requirements. They also produce a high gloss top shine, but it isn't very deep. This is why I went with the wax. The great thing about ceramics is that if you take care of them, they last a long time. At home treatments you can get at most part stores can last a year or more (depending on how many coats you overlap). Professional treatments can last 5-7 years. This makes cleanup a breeze. You rarely have to do nothing more than hose it off and dry it every now and then. I'd recommend to skip ceramic coating the wheels. I've never been impressed with those, as they don't seem to inhibit brake dust collection, nor ease the process of getting it off.

- Wax: If you take nothing else from this article, take this. Never drive the car if it isn't waxed or ceramic coated. Waxing is much cheaper, but labor intensive at regular intervals. I personally recommend Collinite Fleetwax. It's an aircraft and naval grade wax that's made to withstand both saltwater and airborne environments (direct UV exposure, high speed rain strikes, ice, etc). Both ceramics and quality waxes will protect the car from minor impacts with things like small rocks, dirt, road debris, and inclement weather. Further, waxes like Fleetwax are very hydrophobic and they will prevent water spots, thus reducing the amount of times you feel implored to rub on the car. The other plus to wax, for me anyway, is that they make the car silky smooth... which is just a very satisfying thing.

- Wheel coatings: Black wheels + brake dust + 10 minutes of driving = brown wheels. The absolute best system I've found to combat brake dust is Chemical Guys Jet Seal (matte). It's a paint treatment that repels dirt and water. Super easy to apply, and a bottle of it costs under $15. If you put on two coats, you can usually blow the wheels off with a high pressure air hose and it will literally shoot the brake dust off. If you need to wipe them, all it takes is a microfiber with no elbow grease to get out any stubborn spots. For silver or chrome wheels, I love Eagle One Never Dull. I've been using that stuff for 30 years and I have never found anything better.
 

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Thanks for the wax advice. I'm ordering a can right now.

And BTW did you offer to buy your old car back???
 

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BTW, the reason I'm calling Hellraisin out here is because it is absolutely unforgiving. It's dark, like black, so it shows every swirl mark and blemish. It also doesn't paint repair very easily, again like black. It's a neat looking color, but after owning one for 2 years, I was eager to go back to something brighter that isn't so finicky. If you take extra good care of it, it'll keep looking great. But, if you cut corners and treat it like a common paint color, it'll pick up lots of imperfections in an alarming amount of time.
 

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Who uses a machine wash for these cars? lol

I’d take my beater through that’s about it.
I'm 45 and have my achey days. Sometimes when I pass by the car wash, I look over there and think, "Man, that must be nice..." And I keep going, but I get the draw.
 

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@Xylander any tips for cleaning a satin black hood? i saw in a previous post that you have one

some pics would be nice too 👀
The Painted Satin Graphics package is a special case. If you have a PSG car, you'll have to invest in matte car wash and a matte/satin sealant. Absolutely do not wax it. You can ceramic coat the satin paint, but you'll need a different system. Absolutely do NOT let them do paint correction on the PSG. Any treatment applied will have to be a non-gloss treatment.

I have used two polymer sealants on the PSG. Chemical Guys Jet Seal (Matte) is the cheapest option. A bottle costs under $15, can be applied on an entire PSG car (hood, roof, trunk) in about 30 minutes. On the down side, it's a bit technical in that you have to put it on evenly or you risk getting tiger stripes. I don't recommend this unless you're comfortable with following directions to a T and can have some patience.

The best compound I've used is Dr. Beasley's Matte Ceramic Coating. It comes in a small bottle for about $75. It only takes a few drops on a foam applicator to do an entire body panel. It doesn't streak and is a simple wipe on, wipe off system. It adds extreme hydrophobic properties, UV protection, and protection against contaminants for about 6 months. You apply and let it sit overnight to cure before it can get wet again.

The reason why you use products like these is because any amount of shine enhancing products will discolor the PSG and turn it from dark grey/black to a lighter milky grey. This includes car wash soap that has wax or shine enhancers built into it. Again, Chemical Guys makes a matte car wash, but any matte or satin soap will work. There's also a number of different matte and satin detailers and spray cleaners that can be used.

Thus, the process with a PSG hood is going to be one where you have to wash the car twice. I wash the satin first with the satin soap, empty the bucket, then do the car in my normal soap. I even use two separate sponges so as to not put shine enhancing residue on the car's satin surfaces.

If you ever do get something on the PSG that isn't a satin friendly product, you'll have to strip it using something like Chemical Guys Citrus car wash that can be mixed to a consistency to where it can strip the protective finish. This also works for if you misapply something like Jet Seal if it striped the finish due to uneven application. When done, you have to go back over it with the Jet Seal, Dr. Beasley's or whatever other product.

As far as care for the PSG paint, take what I recommended about the purple, and double it. Absolutely never touch the hood if it isn't wet. If you need to rub something off of it, soak the rag and the hood. Always touch it lightly and never use firm pressure to remove dirt. This is because there is almost no way to paint correct satin paint without stripping the paint and repainting it. Swirl marks and paint blemishes will live forever on a PSG car, which is why automatic car washes are a complete "never use" thing. Satin is a paint treatment applied over a matte finish. That treatment is impossible to replicate during paint correct or touchup. So, any attempt to remedy a scratch, for example, will result in some form of a permanent blob that will stick out worse than the scratch.

The best way to take care of satin paint is to leave it alone as much as possible. Trust me, Dr. Beasley's Matte Ceramic Coating is the gold standard and far and away better than anything else you can apply. It's a quick once and done application that takes a half hour or so to do the whole car (or about 5-10 minutes to do just a hood). It protects the paint from microabrasions and contaminants. It also seals the paint in and protects it from things like overspray or splash when washing the rest of the car with your bubble gum scented carnauba wax enhanced wash soap. Once that's applied, you simply leave it alone. If it's not dirty, I won't even use soap and just rinse it off with water. To dry it, I typically use an air dryer, but if you don't have something like that, use a soft chamois; I wouldn't use a microfiber drying towel.

Lastly, it bears mentioning that you can't PPF coat the satin body panels unless it's specifically a matte PPF. These are usually a premium priced upgrade if you do elect to go that route.

Below, you can see what happens when you screw up the PSG and wash the car with a shine enhancer. I did this on my car's delivery day and it turned my satin paint a milky grey in direct sunlight. It took me 3-4 washes with a citrus wash to strip that shine off and get back to the darker, natural satin color. The first picture is the shot of the screw up, the other two are "correct." In addition, the first shot doesn't have any wax on it yet and the 2nd/3rd have Collinite Fleetwax on the Hellraisin. You can see how clear the shine is on the 2nd one, as you can almost make out my dad fairly clearly in the fender and the clear image of the trees in the reflection on the last one.



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The Painted Satin Graphics package is a special case. If you have a PSG car, you'll have to invest in matte car wash and a matte/satin sealant. Absolutely do not wax it. You can ceramic coat the satin paint, but you'll need a different system. Absolutely do NOT let them do paint correction on the PSG. Any treatment applied will have to be a non-gloss treatment.

I have used two polymer sealants on the PSG. Chemical Guys Jet Seal (Matte) is the cheapest option. A bottle costs under $15, can be applied on an entire PSG car (hood, roof, trunk) in about 30 minutes. On the down side, it's a bit technical in that you have to put it on evenly or you risk getting tiger stripes. I don't recommend this unless you're comfortable with following directions to a T and can have some patience.

The best compound I've used is Dr. Beasley's Matte Ceramic Coating. It comes in a small bottle for about $75. It only takes a few drops on a foam applicator to do an entire body panel. It doesn't streak and is a simple wipe on, wipe off system. It adds extreme hydrophobic properties, UV protection, and protection against contaminants for about 6 months. You apply and let it sit overnight to cure before it can get wet again.

The reason why you use products like these is because any amount of shine enhancing products will discolor the PSG and turn it from dark grey/black to a lighter milky grey. This includes car wash soap that has wax or shine enhancers built into it. Again, Chemical Guys makes a matte car wash, but any matte or satin soap will work. There's also a number of different matte and satin detailers and spray cleaners that can be used.

Thus, the process with a PSG hood is going to be one where you have to wash the car twice. I wash the satin first with the satin soap, empty the bucket, then do the car in my normal soap. I even use two separate sponges so as to not put shine enhancing residue on the car's satin surfaces.

If you ever do get something on the PSG that isn't a satin friendly product, you'll have to strip it using something like Chemical Guys Citrus car wash that can be mixed to a consistency to where it can strip the protective finish. This also works for if you misapply something like Jet Seal if it striped the finish due to uneven application. When done, you have to go back over it with the Jet Seal, Dr. Beasley's or whatever other product.

As far as care for the PSG paint, take what I recommended about the purple, and double it. Absolutely never touch the hood if it isn't wet. If you need to rub something off of it, soak the rag and the hood. Always touch it lightly and never use firm pressure to remove dirt. This is because there is almost no way to paint correct satin paint without stripping the paint and repainting it. Swirl marks and paint blemishes will live forever on a PSG car, which is why automatic car washes are a complete "never use" thing. Satin is a paint treatment applied over a matte finish. That treatment is impossible to replicate during paint correct or touchup. So, any attempt to remedy a scratch, for example, will result in some form of a permanent blob that will stick out worse than the scratch.

The best way to take care of satin paint is to leave it alone as much as possible. Trust me, Dr. Beasley's Matte Ceramic Coating is the gold standard and far and away better than anything else you can apply. It's a quick once and done application that takes a half hour or so to do the whole car (or about 5-10 minutes to do just a hood). It protects the paint from microabrasions and contaminants. It also seals the paint in and protects it from things like overspray or splash when washing the rest of the car with your bubble gum scented carnauba wax enhanced wash soap. Once that's applied, you simply leave it alone. If it's not dirty, I won't even use soap and just rinse it off with water. To dry it, I typically use an air dryer, but if you don't have something like that, use a soft chamois; I wouldn't use a microfiber drying towel.

Lastly, it bears mentioning that you can't PPF coat the satin body panels unless it's specifically a matte PPF. These are usually a premium priced upgrade if you do elect to go that route.

Below, you can see what happens when you screw up the PSG and wash the car with a shine enhancer. I did this on my car's delivery day and it turned my satin paint a milky grey in direct sunlight. It took me 3-4 washes with a citrus wash to strip that shine off and get back to the darker, natural satin color. The first picture is the shot of the screw up, the other two are "correct." In addition, the first shot doesn't have any wax on it yet and the 2nd/3rd have Collinite Fleetwax on the Hellraisin. You can see how clear the shine is on the 2nd one, as you can almost make out my dad fairly clearly in the fender and the clear image of the trees in the reflection on the last one.



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Now I am scared to death! Very overwhelmed.
 

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I suggest reading up and watching videos on how to care for satin treatments. They are not for the faint of heart and you have to take care of them. They're not like regular auto paint. Extremely unforgiving. If you ever get bird droppings on the hood, there's a specific way to get it off, and it is not spit on a rag and wipe it off. The satin hood is far more durable than a wrap, but unlike a wrap, you can't pull it and lay on a new wrap if it gets damaged. I hope and pray you own a garage for it. I couldn't imagine letting a PSG car sleep outside.

I know it sounds a bit daunting at first, but once you see it, you'll fall in love with it and taking care of it will become second nature in time. I've had several cars with satin finishes, and you just have to use the right products the right way. Learning to take care of a satin finish properly will make you an all around better automotive detailer :)
 

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Graphics on the 06 Daytona holding up well with no special care.
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That's because vinyl has a topcoat sealant. Painted satin doesn't. The satin is the topcoat. Vinyl is generally more forgiving until it gets moisture evaporated and begins to dry rot and crack. If the vinyl is still supple, you can usually heal blemishes and scratches on them with a heat gun on low heat. A painted satin car will last the lifetime of the car if well cared for. A vinyl is usually only good for 9-12 years on factory laid vinyls. They can last longer than that, but they're usually in a fairly brittle state at the max end of their expected life. Flat laid horizontal vinyls last longer than vertical hanging vinyls (like the T/A body stripe).

I've always removed old vinyls before they get too brittle. That way they can be peeled off and replaced. If you wait too long, they won't come off without some sort of mechanical or chemical assistance, which can often harm the paint underneath.
 
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