[MoparMac2015]

If anyone is still looking and debating on a CAI, the AFE is impressive. Build quality have exceeded my expectations and the oh so beautiful supercharger note is excellent. Cannot speak for HP increase but don’t really care because the sound is amazing. I have the stage 2 with the blue filter. Paid $351 on sale. Also came with filter sleeve to stop water and further filter life. Worth every penny

 

[Blkout]

I've been saying it for the last two years. It's the best CAI available for these cars.

 

[HemiMetal]

There's a thread on this forum from several years back when a member on this forum seemingly debunked some of the aFe HP claims for it's Momentum GT CAI's. I had one on my 2013 R/T and had already decided to buy the CF version when I bought my HC (just doing my part to spend my stimulus check and get the economy back on track ). The 37 HP gain displayed and promoted on a dyno chart posted on aFe's website is eye-catching, but I regarded it with a grain of salt because I realize the dyno was conducted in-house under controlled conditions. So I mostly purchased my aFe CAI for sound and engine bay bling. If I gain anything more than 5 HP, I'm a happy camper.

 

[Challey Cat]

And no pictures. That's nice

 

[Blkout]

There's a thread on this forum from several years back when a member on this forum seemingly debunked some of the aFe HP claims for it's Momentum GT CAI's. I had one on my 2013 R/T and had already decided to buy the CF version when I bought my HC (just doing my part to spend my stimulus check and get the economy back on track ). The 37 HP gain displayed and promoted on a dyno chart posted on aFe's website is eye-catching, but I regarded it with a grain of salt because I realize the dyno was conducted in-house under controlled conditions. So I mostly purchased my aFe CAI for sound and engine bay bling. If I gain anything more than 5 HP, I'm a happy camper.

The Momentum wasn't that great, but the Magnum Stage 2 Pro 5R is outstanding.

 

[Blkout]

And no pictures. That's nice

Magnum FORCE Stage-2 Cold Air Intake System w/Pro 5R Filter

Dodge Challenger/Charger SRT Hellcat 15-16 V8-6.2L (sc)

afepower.com

 

[HellishCat]

Did mobile comms for EOD for almost 5 years, had to go with the LMI from Legmaker...seemed poetic, in a way.

 

[Blkout]

Did mobile comms for EOD for almost 5 years, had to go with the LMI from Legmaker...seemed poetic, in a way.

Had an LMI before the aFe, definitely prefer the aFe.

 

[greasy]

aFe > Leg Maker

 

[HellishCat]

Had an LMI before the aFe, definitely prefer the aFe.

What about it?

aFe > Leg Maker

How so?

 

[Octanewide]

What about it?



How so?

Didn't you just say aFe was the best CAI for these cars? That's how so. Afe >

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[Blkout]

What about it?



How so?

Build quality and it comes with a heat shield. The LMI feels like a home built product, sure its carbon fiber and not everyone can do that but everything about the way the aFe fits to the quality of the intake feels first rate and it makes the supercharger sound whine a bit more too.

 

[jakelind707]

I honestly don't understand what the massive difference between a simple BWoody intake and the AFE magnum force is...they're both exposed filters that run to a giant inlet, how much R&D and revisions to a design can there be when the design is a hollow tube with a filter on the end?

Short of the heat shield having an effect (which can be fitted on a car with any other intake) I don't get why everyone is spending more for the same result, thats been tested and shown to have little to no change.

Also, don't our stock intakes handle up to 1000 without inhibiting any power?

I have a Bwoody solely for the SC scream, which is vain but Idc it makes me smile. I couldn't care less if it made 2 extra crank HP. Any decently hot day above 75° is going to make any intake irrelevant.

 

[YMMV]

Agreed. I went from a LMI to AFe. While I liked both products and still have both, I went AFe since it keeps my IATs down a lot. And yes, the heatshield/box is also wrapped.

I'm sure someone will say, just drive the car so it drops. I do a lot of drag racing. The IATs climb really fast when your sitting in the staging lanes (esp on hot summer days). And I'm sure someone else will say, get a KC, Yes, I had and sold my FI Interchiller (which is a whole different story).

 

[rayzazoo]

Goals:

• greater than OEM filter surface area (increased area to flow clean air; increased dust capacity)
• close to ambient air
• less restrictive intake tube
• low thermal conductivity material (rubber, carbon fiber, plastic composite tube)
• air sourced from outside the engine bay
• least restrictive design will yield the largest performance gains on supercharged/modified/heavily modified engines

*measured in inches

aFe Stage 2 (2015+)
Filter: 5-layer Pro5R - 7.13 flange (circle), 7 top (circle), 8.75 base (rounded-square), 6.75 height, 4b x 2.5t x 2h inverse velocity stack
Tube to TBody: Composite Plastic, 39.9 to 10.29 sq-in
Filter Surface Area: ~200 sq-in (170.2 sq-in measured)

K&N 63-1577 (2018+)
Filter: 6-layer - 6 flange (circle), 5 top (circle), 7.5 base, 10 height
Tube to TBody: Composite Plastic, 28.27 to 10.29 sq-in
Filter Surface Area: ~196 sq-in

Corsa 44004 (2017+)
Filter: 5-layer - 6 flange (circle), 4.75 top (circle), 7.5 base (circle), 8 height, 2.5b x 1.5t x 2.5h inverse velocity stack
Tube to TBody: Carbon Fiber, 28.27 to 10.29 sq-in
Filter Surface Area: ~172 sq-in

aFe Track Series Carbon Fiber (2018 Demon, 2019+)
Filter: 5-layer Pro5R - 7.5x5.5 flange (oval), 5.75x3.75 top (rounded-square), 9x7 base (rounded-square), 10 height
Tube to TBody: Composite Plastic, 32.39 to 10.29 sq-in
Filter Surface Area: ~227 sq-in (airbox flow restricted to ~151 sq-in; air box top to hood, headlight tunnel, and triangular bottom)

Legmaker Redeye (2018+)
Filter: 8-layer S&B - 6 flange (circle), 5.25 top (circle), 7.5 base (circle), 7 height, 3.5b x 1.5t x 2.5h inverse velocity stack
Tube to TBody: Carbon Fiber, 28.27 to 10.29 sq-in (shorter tube than Hellcat version)
Filter Surface Area: ~159 sq-in (144.16 measured)

Legmaker Hellcat (2015+)
Filter: 8-layer S&B - 6 flange (circle), 5.25 top (circle), 7.5 base (circle), 7 height, 3.5b x 1.5t x 2.5h inverse velocity stack
Tube to TBody: Carbon Fiber, 28.27 to 10.29 sq-in
Filter Surface Area: ~159 sq-in (144.16 measured)

K&N 69-2550TTK (2015+)
Filter: 6-layer K&N - 6 flange (circle), 5 top (circle), 7.5 base (circle), 7.5 height
Tube to TBody: Composite Plastic, 28.26 to 10.29 sq-in
Filter Surface Area: ~147 sq-in

OEM 2018 Demon and 2019+ (1048 CFM Hellcat, 1130 CFM Redeye, 1134 CFM 2020+ Super Stock, 1150 CSM 2018 Demon)
Filter: multi-layer - 6.5x5.25 flange (oval), 5.5x4 top (rounded-square), 7.25x6 base (rounded-square) 7 height (est)
Tube to TBody: Rubber, 26.79 to 10.29 sq-in
Filter Surface Area: ~141-151 sq-in (depending on filter height of 7 or 7.5; air inlet sources ~151 sq-in; air box top to hood, headlight tunnel, and triangular bottom)

JLT (2015+)
Filter: 8-layer S&B - 4 flange (circle), 5.5 top (circle), 7 base (circle), 7 height
Tube to TBody: Composite Plastic, 15.89 to 10.29 sq-in
Filter Surface Area: ~137 sq-in

BWoody (2015+)
Filter: 6-layer K&N - 5 flange (circle), 5 top (circle), 6.5 base (circle), 6.5 height
Tube to TBody: Metal, 19.63 to 10.29 sq-in
Filter Surface Area: ~117 sq-in

OEM 2015-2018 (1048 CFM Hellcat)
Filter: Paper Gauze
Tube to TBody: Rubber/Plastic Composite 12.56 to 10.29 sq-in
Filter Surface Area: ~115 sq-in: airbox restricted to ~36 sq-in headlight tunnel and triangular bottom
CFM: 610 g/s converts to 1055 CFM (max airflow) @ .52 in KPa (2.0 in H2O)

aFe GT Momentum (2015+)
Filter: 5-layer Pro5R - 6.75x4.75 flange (oval), 7.25x5 top (rounded-square), 8.25x6.25 base (rounded-square), 8.5 height, 4b x 2.5t x 2h inverse velocity stack
Tube to TBody: Composite Plastic, 25.17 to 10.29 sq-in
Filter Surface Area: ~218 sq-in: airbox restricted to ~36 sq-in headlight tunnel and triangular bottom

Stock Redeye/Demon Engine
32,500 L/min (1147 CFM)

Stock Hellcat Engine
30,000 L/min (1059 CFM)

Stock 392 Engine
Filter: 731 CFM (max airflow) @ 2.0 in H2O

Headlight Tunnel and Triangular Bottom Opening
Surface Area: ~36 sq-in (this was the main airflow restriction until 2018 Demon and 2019+ OEM passed airflow through the hood)

2015-2018 Challenger Lower Air Box

2019+ Challenger Air Box / 2021+ Charger Redeye Air Box

2021 Charger Redeye Underhood

Challenger Redeye/Hellcat 2019+ Underhood

2018 Demon "Air Grabber" Underhood

2015-2018 Challenger/ 2015+ Charger Hood Vent

 

[motorheadmike]

On a 1/4mi track, you'll likely lose what you gain with an aftermarket intake depending on heating up in staging lanes. For street and highway, there are some benefits of an aftermarket once you start moving and the initial hot air under the hood clears out in about 3-5 seconds. On 1/2mi track, about a 2-3 mph improvement with a Legmaker and likely some benefits with the larger aFe filter setup.

Legmaker really benefitted the 2015-2018 Challengers. There could be a benefit to the AFE Stage 2 vs. stock but haven't seen it independently tested.

Measured inches:

aFe Stage 2
Filter: 5-layer Pro5R - 7.13 flange, 6.75 top, 8.75 base (square-ish), 6.75 height
Tube: Composite Plastic, 39.9 to 10.29 sq-in
Filter Surface Area: ~164+ sq-in (top velocity stack not measured)

Legmaker
Filter: 8-layer S&B - 6 flange, 5.25 top, 7.5 base (circle), 7 height
Tube: Carbon Fiber, 28.26 to 10.29 sq-in
Filter Surface Area: ~140+ sq-in (top velocity stack not measured)

OEM 2019+ (1130 CFM)
Filter: multi-layer - 6.25x5 flange, 7.25x6 base (oval) 7 height (est)
Tube: Rubber, 25.14 to 10.29 sq-in
Filter Surface Area: ~128 sq-in (might be less depending on filter height)

OEM 2015-2018 (1068 CFM)
Filter: Paper Gauze
Tube: Rubber/Plastic Composite 12.56 to 10.29 sq-in
Filter Surface Area: ~115 sq-in

Stock Engine
30,000 L/min (1059 CFM)

Headlight Tunnel and Triangular Bottom Opening
Surface Area: ~36 sq-in (this was the main airflow restriction until 2018 Demon and 2019+ OEM allowed airflow through the hood)

View attachment 573027

Stop it. People want you to confirm their bias, not give them a reality check.

 

[Blkout]

On a 1/4mi track, you'll likely lose what you gain with an aftermarket intake depending on heating up in staging lanes. For street and highway, there are some benefits of an aftermarket once you start moving and the initial hot air under the hood clears out in about 3-5 seconds. On 1/2mi track, about a 2-3 mph improvement with a Legmaker and likely some benefits with the larger aFe filter setup.

Legmaker really benefitted the 2015-2018 Challengers. There could be a benefit to the AFE Stage 2 vs. stock but haven't seen it independently tested.

Measured inches:

aFe Stage 2
Filter: 5-layer Pro5R - 7.13 flange, 6.75 top, 8.75 base (square-ish), 6.75 height
Tube: Composite Plastic, 39.9 to 10.29 sq-in
Filter Surface Area: ~164+ sq-in (top velocity stack not measured)

Legmaker
Filter: 8-layer S&B - 6 flange, 5.25 top, 7.5 base (circle), 7 height
Tube: Carbon Fiber, 28.26 to 10.29 sq-in
Filter Surface Area: ~140+ sq-in (top velocity stack not measured)

OEM 2019+ (1130 CFM)
Filter: multi-layer - 6.25x5 flange, 7.25x6 base (oval) 7 height (est)
Tube: Rubber, 25.14 to 10.29 sq-in
Filter Surface Area: ~128 sq-in (might be less depending on filter height)

OEM 2015-2018 (1068 CFM)
Filter: Paper Gauze
Tube: Rubber/Plastic Composite 12.56 to 10.29 sq-in
Filter Surface Area: ~115 sq-in

Stock Engine
30,000 L/min (1059 CFM)

Headlight Tunnel and Triangular Bottom Opening
Surface Area: ~36 sq-in (this was the main airflow restriction until 2018 Demon and 2019+ OEM allowed airflow through the hood)

View attachment 573027

Good stuff right there. It should also be stated that PD blowers love the least amount of restriction in front of the blower.

 

[Challey Cat]

Good stuff right there. It should also be stated that PD blowers love the least amount of restriction in front of the blower.

By in front of the Blower, do you mean on the downstream side?

 

[MoparMac2015]

And no pictures. That's nice

Here are a few with the sleeve on.

 

[HellishCat]

Didn't you just say aFe was the best CAI for these cars? That's how so. Afe >

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I, in fact, didn't say that. 👍🏽