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"We will not sell an electric car." "We will sell a full battery eletric powered muscle car by 2024"
"Love us Millennials. We're not just for boomers look we're hip and cool."
Hammer head sharks? WTF are you talking about?
The whole thing was muddled and cringe.
"Love us Millennials. We're not just for boomers look we're hip and cool."
Hammer head sharks? WTF are you talking about?
The whole thing was muddled and cringe.
I think, with the hammer head shark comment, they are saying that they will eat all the other sharks (competition) out there. Pretty stupid analogy none the less.
Look....... We aren't building electric vehicles, period..... But we are building electric vehicles..... My God, really?
I watched and I loved it (the Dodge part at least, I only stayed for that). I wouldn’t overthink it. All Tim K was saying is that Dodge is not selling EV, the technology; they’re selling performance. And since they know their buyers want even more performance, and they’ve run up against the performance limits of ICE technology, they are making the transition. They’re not fetishing the technology, it’s simply a means to an end.
That to me is no different than the manual vs auto or N/A versus supercharger or turbo debate. Dodge is saying, we don’t get caught up in that. We’re laser focused on performance. And if we know our customers (and we do), they’ll hop aboard.
And you know what? They’re right when it comes to me. I’m sold, and excited for what’s next.
That to me is no different than the manual vs auto or N/A versus supercharger or turbo debate. Dodge is saying, we don’t get caught up in that. We’re laser focused on performance. And if we know our customers (and we do), they’ll hop aboard.
And you know what? They’re right when it comes to me. I’m sold, and excited for what’s next.
Gonna really suck for all those people who don't have access to charging stations.
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I thought it was really cringy. Dodge can lie to you and tell you that they're selling electric for performance purposes, but that's not being honest with the consumer. It's solely because the company is failing to meet government emissions regulations and that Dodge will have to comply-or-fold. Simple as that, and it's really communistic.
Seemed extremely cringe for Dodge
The AWD EV Charger at the end was kind of neat. But yeah, as someone who works in this industry and has also worked in corporate leadership in the past, I speak fluent corporate jive (see: marketing language). Allow me to translate this video:
"Blah blah blah blah blah... We'll have an EV in 2024 because... blah blah blah blah blah, we didn't invest in any of this and spent all of our capital on purchasing carbon credits so we could build the ICE cars the customers wanted. Blah blah blah blah, We'll have an EV in 2024 because we can't keep buying those carbon credits and we more or less have to if we want to still sell cars because our parent corp doesn't want to fund future ICE development. We're only 8-10 years behind everyone else, so we'll throw in the buzzword 'innovation' and take our sweet time catching up by making a muscle car EV and pretend that nobody else has ever built a 4-door AWD car that can go 0-60 in 2.9 seconds or something.It'll work, right? Blah blah blah, baby shark do-do-da-do-ta-do."
From industry pace setter to Johnny-Come-Lately. Dodge has become Chevrolet.
"Blah blah blah blah blah... We'll have an EV in 2024 because... blah blah blah blah blah, we didn't invest in any of this and spent all of our capital on purchasing carbon credits so we could build the ICE cars the customers wanted. Blah blah blah blah, We'll have an EV in 2024 because we can't keep buying those carbon credits and we more or less have to if we want to still sell cars because our parent corp doesn't want to fund future ICE development. We're only 8-10 years behind everyone else, so we'll throw in the buzzword 'innovation' and take our sweet time catching up by making a muscle car EV and pretend that nobody else has ever built a 4-door AWD car that can go 0-60 in 2.9 seconds or something.It'll work, right? Blah blah blah, baby shark do-do-da-do-ta-do."
From industry pace setter to Johnny-Come-Lately. Dodge has become Chevrolet.
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Wow. Totally different read.
To me he was saying, look we know our traditional customer base is literally dying and that any future we have is with millennials. But, don't worry combustion engine loving knuckle draggers, you will still be able to do burnouts.
Emissions are certainly A factor. I’m saying they’re not the ONLY factor. And that Dodge knows their customers and that many - but certainly not all - will be down for an EV car that gives them even better performance. I don’t intend to buy a Tesla. I will almost certainly buy the Dodge Hammerhead (or whatever it’s gonna be called).
Stripped of the implication he was insulting his loyal customer base, I agree. I don’t think he sees us as knuckle draggers.
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I think they are going to go hybrid, so you can charge the car with the brake pedal, to some extent. That alone would increase around-town mileage. Also, going down long hills at a slow speed, (no faster than you can charge the batteries) could be useful on the highway. A bank of very healthy capacitors could absorb the excess and use it to charge the batteries at leisure later, as an alternative, and super capacitors are getting some pretty amazing capacitance stuffe into a small package.
1 Farad of capacitance is 1mX1m conductive plates separated by 1cm, so a farad is pretty large. Super capacitors are stuffing FIFTY farads into about 10X12X3 inches or so. Imagine the energy storage of a large-capacity capacitor bank. If I remember correctly, 1 volt will charge a one farad capacitor with 1 coulomb of electrons, but not certain.
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No offense taken here. We are knuckle-draggers.
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Lol, okay.
I did not even watch the Video. But I believe the next SRT MOPAR musclecar will be a hybrid. Gas engine, pancake motor between the motor and trans, small battery pack and/or the above mentioned super capacitors, and POSSIBLY electric motors driving each front wheel. You will have the option to plug it in or have the gas engine charge the batteries depending on what mode you have selected. For instance: Make a drag strip pass with 1000 HP to the rear wheels (797 RE Engine + Pancake motor) and an additional 125 HP at each front wheel. This depletes the battery pack. On the return road you need 20 HP to run 15 MPH and the Gas engine is putting out 100 HP recharging the battery pack. Because you have the thing in Max Perf mode. I have been onto this for a while and I resently had a conversation with the Owner of my Dealership face to face (same person that ordered my 2021 Ram and my 2020 Super Stock) and I am #1 for a MSRP Purchase of THIS new Halo Car when it comes out. I just hope and pray this is not a long drawn out process like the Demon was with all the teaser videos etc. I have never been a patient man and I am getting older and it's not helping.
What gave anyone the impression of hope for a hybrid? (not arguing, just asking) I watched quickly at work and thought that the message was FULL ELECTRIC. If they're going to be full electric by 2024, why would they invest in all the R&D to release a hybrid for a year or two? Seems like a wasted step. Seems like they'll just crank out as many of the current generation as they can and then make the switch.
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