ATI OE damper without pinning crank?
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You could, but If you go thru the process of removing the damper it is not difficult to drill the pilot hole for the crank pin also is recommended to use a new bolt.
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The crank bolts are torque to yield, you shoukd replace it if removed. Pinning the crank takes no more than five minutes if you already have the pulley off and highly recommended.
I understand all that. Yes, I would use a new, improved, bolt. The goal here is to improve the components w/o voiding the warranty, so regardless of how easy it is to pin the crank once going that far that's not on the menu for me yet.
I just wanted to be sure that it would in fact work before buying the part.
I just wanted to be sure that it would in fact work before buying the part.
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If you worry about warranty then you should consider Ripatuned incognito lower damper sleeve, it fit directly over your stock engine damper, they claim 1.5 to 2 lbs of boost. no need to remove the damper.
I certainly don't want to increase the odds of the crank spinning. I'd really rather be able to just pin the crank. But the warranty nazi's don't allow it. Seems bizarre since it would actually reduce the odds of a failure--especially on the 17 which is before they switched to the stronger demon bolt.
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I got you, I don't understand myself why the Mopar Engineers didn't pin the Crank, but if you go the other way without pinning the crank, make sure you follow factory torque procedure with the latest crank bolt and I would even put some red Loctite on the bolt threads.
It is not worth it to put a stock size ATI on and not pin the crank. It will add zero performance, zero protection, and cost over $500 for nothing.
Completely pointless.
Completely pointless.
How is replacing the 17 crank bolt with the upgraded demon bolt not adding some level of extra protection?
More, how is replacing the stock, pressed damper with a higher qualtiy ATI damper not also going to help by reducing vibration? (which is always a gain in longevity for all components involved).
More, how is replacing the stock, pressed damper with a higher qualtiy ATI damper not also going to help by reducing vibration? (which is always a gain in longevity for all components involved).
The only protection that you need is pinning.
I have only seen one stock one come apart, only one. I have seen quite a few spin on the crank and cause crank damage.
IMO, that is a waste of money.
BUT, it is your car, so if you want to do it to feel more comfortable, then do it.
I have only seen one stock one come apart, only one. I have seen quite a few spin on the crank and cause crank damage.
IMO, that is a waste of money.
BUT, it is your car, so if you want to do it to feel more comfortable, then do it.
Like green says,pin it and don’t take the chance.
The washer and new bolt will cover the pin anyway.
Bottom line is the the crank is the best you can get for these motors. The rods and pistons not so much. They should be changed as soon as you start raising the boost levels if your serious about building a good motor.
If the warranty is all that matters then leave it alone until warranty is no longer an issue.
The washer and new bolt will cover the pin anyway.
Bottom line is the the crank is the best you can get for these motors. The rods and pistons not so much. They should be changed as soon as you start raising the boost levels if your serious about building a good motor.
If the warranty is all that matters then leave it alone until warranty is no longer an issue.
That ATI was for sale years before that MMX pulley was available.
It came out because people will spend money for zero performance gain thinking they need to upgrade a factory part that was deemed unreliable.....
Then let me rephrase that. My reason for wanting the ATI OE damper is that it is needed to use the MMX 15% UD pulley.
Wasn't attacking brother lol
I understand, just sounded like you were explaining the existence of the ATI OE damper product--which sounds like is pretty pointless from the outset, which I understand and mostly agree with. Just clarifying that I do have a specific purpose that actually does require it.
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