[Spaceshipon22s]

Well im on my 3rd 392 (2019 Widebody Scat) and i know this car pretty well, on my way to work yesterday morning and dodge neon SRT 4 kept messing with me... Im a car guy so i know its not stock, I don’t believe any stock SRT4 exist anymore. I know some of them can make well upwards of 400 hp and weighing only 2000 lbs. I couldn’t just punk out so i said the hell with it, tapped the pedals to drop to the lowest gear possible, side by side on a 50 roll and i just couldn’t pass him, he got a car length on me every time. We traded thumbs up and went our separate ways. I think its time for sum forced induction. I definitely would’ve taken him in a Hellcat. My lease is up next year. That was the push i needed.🤣

 

[Xylander]

When I bought my T/A 392 in 2018, I thought for once I'd be happy with an NA car and I planned to keep it long term. About 6 weeks later I hopped in the car, went out to the highway on a Sunday Krispy Kreme run, punched it off a light and went, "God this thing is slow."

So, I saved up for a year and half to get out from being upside down on the car loan, bought a house, and flipped the car into a Hellcat. Problem solved

Just about every one of my DDs has been supercharged. Started out with an 87 Vortech Mustang GT, followed by 2 SVT Cobras, then an 89 Thunderbird SC, and a couple of more Mustangs (one of those was a twin turbo, other ProCharged). I went from a 1,000hp 2015 Mustang to a 485hp T/A. I won't knock the car... the T/A was a great ride, but I'm terribly spoiled from having built my own hotrods all these years. Then, when it came time to be able to purchase a FACTORY blown street machine with >700hp and a warranty and wasn't a Mustang (I divorced Ford, no mas)... Sorry, I could never get that thought out of my head. I've had the car almost a year now and I haven't gotten an inkling of an urge to buy anything else. It's the perfect land yacht for me.

That being said, the difference between the T/A and the Hellcat is substantial. I had nearly the same options loadout on both cars, but the Hellcat is just better in every way. Even the T/A dragged the front splitter far worse than the Hellcat does (narrow body anyway, you widebody people have more to worry about).

 

[MrEditUndo]

Dodge makes 15 different trims there should be a bigger gradient in engine hp. like the old 392s,TA's, Scat packs, Shaker, 50th, and 1320s should not make the same hp. hell the hellcats dont! redeye, superstock, and demon are all different. I went from a RT to a hellcat so I jumped way ahead but I would be in a widebody TA if it came with 500! or something along that.

 

[GreenMachine15]

You know its upgrade time when a neon puts a length on you lol

 

[Xylander]

Dodge makes 15 different trims there should be a bigger gradient in engine hp. like the old 392s,TA's, Scat packs, Shaker, 50th, and 1320s should not make the same hp. hell the hellcats dont! redeye, superstock, and demon are all different. I went from a RT to a hellcat so I jumped way ahead but I would be in a widebody TA if it came with 500! or something along that.

The T/A is underrated. And, for 2021, the T/A does come in a widebody. I would be willing to bet that the T/A, and any of Mopar's factory CAI models, make over 485hp.

 

[Spaceshipon22s]

The 392 is a really good engine, especially around town. It has enough torque to put smile on face from a dig or 30-40 mph roll every time but on highway pulls is where im always wanting more power. I have always noticed that lighter cars with Turbos (Audi S4) but similar or less horsepower have no problem with keeping up on highway in the upper rpm range.

 

[jakelind707]

The 392 is a really good engine, especially around town. It has enough torque to put smile on face from a dig or 30-40 mph roll every time but on highway pulls is where im always wanting more power. I have always noticed that lighter cars with Turbos (Audi S4) but similar or less horsepower have no problem with keeping up on highway in the upper rpm range.

because 485hp crank at the WB challenger weight is laughably low for whats considered fast these days.

Don't run boost as you'll have to do a lot of gut modifications due to the compression on that 6.4

better off throwing a 150 shot in it, or a cam and heads to make it flow better or something. the way the market is I would just trade your car in and order a new HC rather than throw thousands at a 392.

 

[2ndAmend]

A friend had a R/T, love the looks of the new Challengers. I started looking at Scat Pack's, $35k new stripped, what a deal! Hard to justify an extra $20k for a SC. Then he traded his R/T for a HC... Had no choice at that point!

 

[Spaceshipon22s]

My lease is up next year, Ill definitely look at Hellcat or Trackhawk.

 

[jakelind707]

My lease is up next year, Ill definitely look at Hellcat or Trackhawk.

not knocking your car at all, its beautiful.

Just trying to give some harsh truth, a lot of stuff is fast these days its wild.

 

[Spaceshipon22s]

No insults taken, i love the car but I totally agree with you. I just feel im ready for more power. Ive been driving 392s since 2014.

 

[Xylander]

not knocking your car at all, its beautiful.

Just trying to give some harsh truth, a lot of stuff is fast these days its wild.

Yeah, but a lot of these fast builds don't have anything outside of what's under the hood. So, while they're fast on rare occasions, more often than not these fast straight line cars make a lot of lazy S's down the road.

Time for another one of my old grandad's saying: "It ain't fast in a straight line if it don't go in a straight line."

 

[jakelind707]

Yeah, but a lot of these fast builds don't have anything outside of what's under the hood. So, while they're fast on rare occasions, more often than not these fast straight line cars make a lot of lazy S's down the road.

Time for another one of my old grandad's saying: "It ain't fast in a straight line if it don't go in a straight line."

Idc what it has outside of the engine bay buddy, getting 5 cars put on your Hellcat by a 19 year old in a big turbo hatch civic sucks regardless if he has Sharpie for paint, or a $10k custom paint job lol

 

[JeffB#2]

SRT-4 is closer to 2800#. It would be a neat trick to get a 2nd Gen Neon as light as 2000#. It's tough to get the much lighter '95-'99 1st Gen Neon under 2000# without going crazy with a sawzall and hole saw.

Not too tough to make ~450whp in an SRT4. They make good roll racers at that point but silly to try to go from a dig on the street in one at that level, not much traction as the front end unloads.

 

[Xylander]

Idc what it has outside of the engine bay buddy, getting 5 cars put on your Hellcat by a 19 year old in a big turbo hatch civic sucks regardless if he has Sharpie for paint, or a $10k custom paint job lol

To be fair, my 1970 Torino, back when it was a dedicated Pro Stock class drag car, would gap the snot out of a Demon (it ran low 9s/high 8s). But, like the aforementioned turbo civic, it couldn't drive much more than 10-20 miles at a time before it would have to sit and cool down... not to mention the driver about dying from heat stroke.

You can't exactly compare modified race cars to street cars, Hellcat or not. If you gave me $90,000 cash and told me to build a fast car, The Dodge Hellcats wouldn't even be on my top 100 list of cars to build. Me? I'd take an old MG Triumph and V8 swap it. A modern built 302 from the early 90s will fit right in and you can centri supercharge it for around 580-ish whp. With the 302 it would weigh around 1,880lb, race lightened. I can build that car, today, for under $30,000. My dad owns a Buick V8 swapped Triumph that he built back in the 1970s. It runs the 1/4 mi, naturally aspirated in 11 seconds. I'd do the same thing, but use a higher powered, lighter and force inducted engine with more modern rear geometry. 9's would be easy.

 

[jakelind707]

To be fair, my 1970 Torino, back when it was a dedicated Pro Stock class drag car, would gap the snot out of a Demon (it ran low 9s/high 8s). But, like the aforementioned turbo civic, it couldn't drive much more than 10-20 miles at a time before it would have to sit and cool down... not to mention the driver about dying from heat stroke.

You can't exactly compare modified race cars to street cars, Hellcat or not. If you gave me $90,000 cash and told me to build a fast car, The Dodge Hellcats wouldn't even be on my top 100 list of cars to build. Me? I'd take an old MG Triumph and V8 swap it. A modern built 302 from the early 90s will fit right in and you can centri supercharge it for around 580-ish whp. With the 302 it would weigh around 1,880lb, race lightened. I can build that car, today, for under $30,000. My dad owns a Buick V8 swapped Triumph that he built back in the 1970s. It runs the 1/4 mi, naturally aspirated in 11 seconds. I'd do the same thing, but use a higher powered, lighter and force inducted engine with more modern rear geometry. 9's would be easy.

I'll wait patiently til you sell the hc and do that. I wanna see that lol

Gotta be red and soft top with a color matched cage

 

[Xylander]

I'll wait patiently til you sell the hc and do that. I wanna see that lol

Gotta be red and soft top with a color matched cage

The closest I've actually done, I built a P-38 Lightning vintage style drop tank dragster back when I was in my 20s (late '90s). It used an old school NA Ford flathead V8 and made somewhere in the 200hp range.

This isn't my car, I don't have any photos of it... but this gives you an idea of what I built. Took me about 4 years of random wrenching to put it together. All the parts I used were from 1950s-60s junkyard cars. It ran 12s. Weighed next to nothing

 

[Spaceshipon22s]

I wasn’t sure exactly how much they weigh but i know there small cars... 450 hp?!! Damn I didn’t have a chance from a roll.... I knew it was heavy modified though... win some and lose some