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BLACK GHOST - ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE

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INTERESTING INFORMATION...VIEW ENTIRE VIDEO FOR THE FULL PERSPECTIVE.
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This guy must love conspiracies. So what if it's stock? Lots of people race their cars and return them to stock after. People right here on the forum do it daily. This guy admits to not being around back then and is purely speculating with no facts. Plausible? sure. Fact? meh.
Good read from the perspective of Greg Qualls, who inherited the BG from his pops, Godfrey.
TBH, I never heard of any legendary "Black Ghost" car until Dodge came up with a sticker package and some street racing stories to add mystique which certainly helped them make extra cash off what is basically a regular Hellcat.

- And it certainly helped the auction house make money off the original car too.
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Gregory Qualls did an excellent job promoting and marketing the car and it’s history. He made $1 million for his efforts. Good for him. People define “Legend” status differently. The video by UTG is simply stating it was a stock 14 second car and winning consistently against modded 11 second cars was unlikely.
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Gregory Qualls did an excellent job promoting and marketing the car and it’s history. He made $1 million for his efforts. Good for him. People define “Legend” status differently. The video by UTG is simply stating it was a stock 14 second car and winning consistently against modded 11 second cars was unlikely.
Simply stating is different than repeatedly claiming scam imo. Hey maybe he’s right but he admits he is speculating and whenever people speculate while claiming scams I just roll my eyes.
Just another internet douchebag with a YouTube channel.
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I also wouldn’t characterize this as a scam and that claim is unsubstantiated. However, Gregory Qualls fully leveraged the history of the car primarily focusing on a police officer street racing to the point someone paid $1 million for a car with a tow bar hitch not in a condition one would normally expect.
This guy must love conspiracies. So what if it's stock? Lots of people race their cars and return them to stock after. People right here on the forum do it daily. This guy admits to not being around back then and is purely speculating with no facts. Plausible? sure. Fact? meh.
Yeah, but Uncle Tony is as close to Mopar Jesus as you're gonna get this side of Mark Worman.
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On the one hand, I tend to agree with Tony. It's clearly not a street badass and that it's an original car. Sure, it could have been modified, but it probably wasn't. If there is truth to the story, then it's on a smaller level. One does not need to be the fastest car around to be famous.

Back in the early 2000s in Colorado Springs, I was heavy into the street racing scene. My piddly '99 Mustang didn't even have a blower yet at that point, but it had some bolt ons and I had my fun with it. One night, an older guy in a drop-top Mercedes SLK 32 AMG pulls up beside me and gives me a little rev. Of course, I'm all like, "Oh yeah GERMAN BOY! I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT AMERICAN MUSC..." And the light turned green and that damn SLK was gooooooooooooooooooone. Whooosh... parted my hair and left me there making sandwiches. Now, even if it were stock, it would have still beaten my barely 300hp Mustang... but this thing fired off like it was a 10-11 second car. Mine was good for 13s.

The moral of this story is that this particular SLK became widely known in the community for absolutely embarrassing everybody it ran. There were faster cars around for sure. But every time this guy beat somebody, he beat it bad and rubbed it in all the way past 120mph until you couldn't see him anymore. I only ever saw it on the road twice... and never at Bandimere up in Denver. The local rumor mill has it that the guy killed everything he raced and did it until he died of old age sometime around 2005. Likely no truth to any of that story, but there's a lot of SLK 32 AMG owners who got a lot of crap in traffic from other muscle cars looking to bait them into racing because every silver SLK we saw, we'd hunt it down and try and run it to see if it was "Darwin." The particular SLK got that name due to it having that Christian fish bumper logo with the feet on it and "Darwin" stamped underneath. That car was famous.

The Black Ghost could have also been famous if he was a smart racer. He'd have known how fast his car was, the same way I know how fast my stock Redeye is. If I wanted to try and get famous, I'd hunt down young, impressionable teenagers and drag their Miata's ass at every opportunity. Get a rep for bullying other cars... maybe pick on some obviously modified Hondas and Subarus that still don't have a snowball's chance in hell... just to get on some YouTuber's highlight reel. If both Tony and Gregory Qualls are right, then that's what Godfrey was doing. He was probably picking on other stock-like Chevelles, Torinos, Firebirds, and GTOs. Of course he wouldn't have beaten the Silver Bullet. He didn't have to. If you beat 400 Chevelles and other muscle cars, you'll get some notoriety for it. If you're running something that looks like a 318, 383, or 440 Challenger and absolutely destroy a Boss 302 Mustang, it doesn't matter if it's stock or not. If you can whip everyone you target, you don't need to modify the car and a 426 Hemi car, bone stock back then, was a helluva car to sneak up on the competition. Mr. Qualls, I think, may have been playing the sleeper game to great effect.
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It is absolutely hilarious all the "Johnny Come Lately"s who are so damn cock sure about this car's pedigree. Flaccid New Balance-wearing posers looking to co-opt someone else's reputation. As much as I hate to say it the car and its story is a grift. Might even be an identity politics-based grift. People will apply their own willingness (confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance) to believe any narrative they want at the expense of truth (manufactured consent). As for the "value" of the car, that is also highly subjective.

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Caveat Emptor.
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Is the value of the car what 1 person is willing to pay or what the masses is willing to pay? All the other bidders who really wanted this car said $1m is too much. They could have afforded to keep bidding but said no way. Now the world thinks it's work $1m lol. Value of anything is extremely subjective. They did a great job hyping this car. BTW, I don't think he's really painting them himself!
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If it sold for that then it is worth that. Well, it was, it may not be now. The buyer likely doesn't care because it is to him , that's all that matters.
If there is only one of something and you don't like the asking price, go buy the other one. Oh wait.
It's worth that to THAT person. That was my point. It is worth that much to only that person out of all the people who wanted it. But for him or her it is worth it and that's all that counts. I agree. But don't confuse that with its true value. If there is a silent auction on a car and 5 people bid 1m but it sold to the outlier bid of 2m. That doesn't mean its value or worth is 2m, with value being a very subjective and broad term that is way over used. Of course, just my opinion.
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Without all the hype over the past couple of years, that car would be just another $100K ’70 Hemi. Never heard of it before then. Same goes for the King Daytona IMO.
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Look what the other Hemi cars sold for at that auction that were in far better condition..

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Look what the other Hemi cars sold for at that auction that were in far better condition..

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It wasn't about condition. It was about reputation. Someone paid $975k for an urban legend, so arguably that's what the BG is worth. Would I pay it? Hell no! I'd buy a house, a used Redeye, a bike, and maybe a boat.

Or I'd blow the whole wad hiring Metallica or AC/DC to play a gig in my backyard for my birthday next month.
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Well, if "Uncle Tony" says that it's a scam on his YouTubs channel, it must be a scam... :)
It wasn't about condition. It was about reputation. Someone paid $975k for an urban legend, so arguably that's what the BG is worth. Would I pay it? Hell no! I'd buy a house, a used Redeye, a bike, and maybe a boat.

Or I'd blow the whole wad hiring Metallica or AC/DC to play a gig in my backyard for my birthday next month.
LOL...unfortunately not much left of what was once AC/DC.....
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LOL...unfortunately not much left of what was once AC/DC.....
So you're saying I can probably get 'em on a Groupon?
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