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Since I am always looking at car purchase possibilities, thought it would be fun polling people with which cars from the below list they would rather own and why and would likely see the biggest increase in price over the long run:

1989 20th anniversary turbo Trans Am pace car
1990-92 Corvette ZR1
1980-85 Porsche 928 (5 speed)
1982-94 Lotus Esprit
1st gen Dodge Viper rt-10
 

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89 TTA with out a second thought
 
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Curious on why the 90-92 ZR1? For me I'd go 90 for the 1 year body style or a 95 for being the last.

Owning a Viper GTS and a C4 Corvette (not a ZR1 though) I 100% would go Viper if you are looking for raw and attention getting. If you are going more for blending in and comfortable I'd go ZR1. While car guys will recognize a ZR1 almost everyone else will just think it's just another Corvette.

For me. My next car is hopefully a MK4 Supra or a RX7. Gotta live my high school dream car list 1 car at a time 😁
 

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viper... but it wouldn't be worth much after I got done playing with it.
I don't what to sound like an A hole but. Invest in the stock market.
The next gem that's coming in went to high school in the 80's. The dark ages for cars
 

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I had seen cars that I wanted to purchase over the years that made me wish I did before they shot up in value. I saw sub 80k Testarossa's at their low point double in price and now settling to low six figures or near 100k. Being a 12 cyl Ferrari, they will keep going up but are still the bargain 80's poster supercar. TTA's were in the mid to high 20's for a long time and are now starting to gain high prices in line with their Grand National counterparts. In fact, most 3rd gen fbody's regardless of model are gaining in price. I put 90-92 ZR1 years as they are the cheapest to be had (condition and mileage being equal). My pics reflect current affordability and possibly before any significant price increases and interest occur. Not trying to retire here with my pics, just trying to foreshadow the market, have some fun and possibly make a little money at the end. So yes to that end, the next class/wave of future collectibles will be 80's-90's cars.

I had a 66 stingray convertible for 13 years that I sold to finance the Hellcat which gained me a nice profit. Too bad I lost it and then some with my depreciating Cat 😀, but I didn't think I wouldn't. Financially not a smart move, but we all need to satisfy the itch right?
 

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You have a good list. Vipers are going nuts. May already be too late to make big $$$ but who knows? I wish I’d have kept my ‘06 VOI.9 car, that’s for sure, but my daughter is enjoying college. The Turbo T/A would be my second choice. Super-rare and still a fairly under the radar machine. No bad choices on your list. Good taste in cars.
 

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Vipers are starting to take off already, looked at buying one and they are getting very hard to find without spending stupid money. It will be interesting to see which 90's cars take off in price!
 

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The 90-92 ZR1's will do the best out of this list as far as investment goes in due time. The Vipers are already on their way up, but I don't think they will make the huge jump I think the C4 ZR1's will, IMO. Second will be the Trans Am's. The nice 4th gen WS6's are already going for MSRP.
 

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Since I am always looking at car purchase possibilities, thought it would be fun polling people with which cars from the below list they would rather own and why and would likely see the biggest increase in price over the long run:

1989 20th anniversary turbo Trans Am pace car
1990-92 Corvette ZR1
1980-85 Porsche 928 (5 speed)
1982-94 Lotus Esprit
1st gen Dodge Viper rt-10
Out of all of these, the only ones I even put on a long distance radar would be a low mileage, unmolested Viper RT-10. The problem with 90s cars is that they're technologically surpassed by everything made in the 00s - present. The 90s are sort of like the late 70s, in that generally speaking, the world produced a lot of ugly cars made with junk materials that nobody wants.

There will always be a niche market for collector vehicles... but that niche for something like a ZR1 and a TA pace car is going to be very small. In the 60s, the big bad 427 Corvette was highly desirable, and continues to be because it's still an amazing car. The 90-93 ZR1 was only any good because everything else was so bad (quote: me). With a modern tire upgrade on the old Stingray, the ZR1 was still slower than the 60s era 427 car. While it was a champ during its day, it didn't set any new bars and was ecliped only a few years later. Today, you can still snag one in low mileage, well-kept state for under $20,000. I don't see it ever going nosebleed collectable.

Same goes for the Lotus, TA, and Porsche 928. The 928 is going through a bit of a fad right now because millennials want a "vintage" Porsche. There has been a bubble for a bit, but it'll pop soon. They weren't desirable in the 80s, were hard resells in the 90s, and people still don't want them outside of that small niche that does.

The RT-10 is a unique on in this grouping in that it's a 100% performance car with exotic looks that are timeless. It will attract more attention and garner more interested buyers. At auction, these cars always perform well (at least the ones that are kept low miles and in pristine condition). The problem with them though is that there's not many that are of collector grade, as they've been thrashed at race tracks and have the wear and tear to prove it. This is one of the primary reasons why an unmolested 1st gen RT/10 generally goes for nosebleed grade money.

The rest of these, maybe sans the Esprit, are just 80s/90s junkyard fodder in terms of their styling and performance. The Esprit may go up in value, but it's not an Aston-Martin. Lotus cars don't really perform well in the collector market on a whole. They can sometimes do well on the economy side of the market (flipping for tens of thousands in 5-10 years), but I honestly don't think the Esprit is ever going to be worth big dollars... so its potential as an investment item is a bit low.

I'm speaking purely from the perspective of the overall market. This doesn't mean an '89 TA pace car can't sell for good money. It just means that if you had an RT/10, you might get 500 people wanting to bid on it. The TA might get 2 people. What are the chances that the 2 people bidding on it HAVE to have it and have the means to get it regardless of cost? Pretty darn low. Flipping an RT/10 is easy. Flipping an 89 TA might take a year or two to get the number you want in today's market. As time goes by, the 80s/90s cars are actually getting less and less desirable and forgotten about. So, I don't see the majority of them ever increasing in value.

To put it as simple as I can, the 50s-71 collector market is like collecting fine antique porcelain gas and oil signage. The sky's the limit on price so long as they're in good shape. The 80s-90s collector market is like bidding on rusted and abused folk art at a local auction house where you can snag 10 rusty oil cans and 5 signs in a lot for $7. You can double your money sometimes in this market, but the profit you would make on flipping a ZR1 wouldn't pay the auction fee on a low mileage restored 63 Corvette.
 

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Out of all of these, the only ones I even put on a long distance radar would be a low mileage, unmolested Viper RT-10. The problem with 90s cars is that they're technologically surpassed by everything made in the 00s - present. The 90s are sort of like the late 70s, in that generally speaking, the world produced a lot of ugly cars made with junk materials that nobody wants.

There will always be a niche market for collector vehicles... but that niche for something like a ZR1 and a TA pace car is going to be very small. In the 60s, the big bad 427 Corvette was highly desirable, and continues to be because it's still an amazing car. The 90-93 ZR1 was only any good because everything else was so bad (quote: me). With a modern tire upgrade on the old Stingray, the ZR1 was still slower than the 60s era 427 car. While it was a champ during its day, it didn't set any new bars and was ecliped only a few years later. Today, you can still snag one in low mileage, well-kept state for under $20,000. I don't see it ever going nosebleed collectable.

Same goes for the Lotus, TA, and Porsche 928. The 928 is going through a bit of a fad right now because millennials want a "vintage" Porsche. There has been a bubble for a bit, but it'll pop soon. They weren't desirable in the 80s, were hard resells in the 90s, and people still don't want them outside of that small niche that does.

The RT-10 is a unique on in this grouping in that it's a 100% performance car with exotic looks that are timeless. It will attract more attention and garner more interested buyers. At auction, these cars always perform well (at least the ones that are kept low miles and in pristine condition). The problem with them though is that there's not many that are of collector grade, as they've been thrashed at race tracks and have the wear and tear to prove it. This is one of the primary reasons why an unmolested 1st gen RT/10 generally goes for nosebleed grade money.

The rest of these, maybe sans the Esprit, are just 80s/90s junkyard fodder in terms of their styling and performance. The Esprit may go up in value, but it's not an Aston-Martin. Lotus cars don't really perform well in the collector market on a whole. They can sometimes do well on the economy side of the market (flipping for tens of thousands in 5-10 years), but I honestly don't think the Esprit is ever going to be worth big dollars... so its potential as an investment item is a bit low.

I'm speaking purely from the perspective of the overall market. This doesn't mean an '89 TA pace car can't sell for good money. It just means that if you had an RT/10, you might get 500 people wanting to bid on it. The TA might get 2 people. What are the chances that the 2 people bidding on it HAVE to have it and have the means to get it regardless of cost? Pretty darn low. Flipping an RT/10 is easy. Flipping an 89 TA might take a year or two to get the number you want in today's market. As time goes by, the 80s/90s cars are actually getting less and less desirable and forgotten about. So, I don't see the majority of them ever increasing in value.

To put it as simple as I can, the 50s-71 collector market is like collecting fine antique porcelain gas and oil signage. The sky's the limit on price so long as they're in good shape. The 80s-90s collector market is like bidding on rusted and abused folk art at a local auction house where you can snag 10 rusty oil cans and 5 signs in a lot for $7. You can double your money sometimes in this market, but the profit you would make on flipping a ZR1 wouldn't pay the auction fee on a low mileage restored 63 Corvette.
If you can find a low mileage well kept zr-1 for under $20,000, please post it here I will buy it in a heartbeat. Same goes for a TTA. Cannot get into one for less than $30,000. I disagree with no interest in 90's era cars, there will always be a market for any era, late 80's and 90's is when horesepower started to come back up and domestic and import mfg started to enter the race and some good cars were made. The market is ACTUALLY showing that right now. BTW, unless you have an experienced driver with an L88 vette with 4.11 gears and slicks, your not keeping up with a late model (93-95) ZR-1, with same enhancements, down the quarter, let alone on a highway.
 

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If you can find a low mileage well kept zr-1 for under $20,000, please post it here I will buy it in a heartbeat. Same goes for a TTA. Cannot get into one for less than $30,000. I disagree with no interest in 90's era cars, there will always be a market for any era, late 80's and 90's is when horesepower started to come back up and domestic and import mfg started to enter the race and some good cars were made. The market is ACTUALLY showing that right now. BTW, unless you have an experienced driver with an L88 vette with 4.11 gears and slicks, your not keeping up with a late model (93-95) ZR-1, with same enhancements, down the quarter, let alone on a highway.
There's always a niche market for everything from oddball cars to Pez dispensers. But, a car pushing 40 years old that's only worth 30k, in my mind, is not an investment car. That's what I was aiming my response at. There are cars that double or triple in value (S2000 CR being one) and some that perennially go up. The 80s/90s cars, by and large, have always been faddish. They go up... crash and burn to junk status, go up again in a few years. But they always end up fairly low.

This is actually not a terrible thing as it exposes a different kind of buyer to the collector market. Some car collectors have millions and buy/sell cars daily like stock options. Many folks though, they get 1 and just try and flip it in a few years for a profit. There's nothing wrong with this, but when you're talking 5k every 5 years, heck... that's just keeping up with inflation really. The value isn't really doing anything special.

The other problem with 80s to early/mid 90s cars is that so many of them were built with planned obsolescence engineering practices. They were designed to kind of crap out and fall apart so drivers would have to buy a new car. This is true for much of GM and Ford's lineups. While classics were rudimentary in terms of car tech, they were built better. You can't "fix" an 89 Pontiac Grand Am's interior trim. It dry rots, falls apart. Its lower body panels are plastic, so you can't fix those either. This is why you see a scarcity of nice examples of most cars during these years. They simply cost far more to restore than they're worth because much of the non-mechanical parts are replacement only, so you can't save a dime by refurbishing much of the car like you could in years past.

Now, cars today will suffer for the same reasons. However, cars today have better initial quality and will hopefully hold up better. 80s/90s cars were in a transitional period of automotive development and so many different unique quirks and "innovations" that were half-baked and poorly conceived. The 90s in particular saw the end of the 80s boom and the recession led to a whole host of cost cutting and cheap material equipped cars. Thus, they just don't hold up. Cars that fall apart are difficult to maintain, keep pristine, and restore. Thus, the collector value of them will likely be kept fairly low in the long term.
 

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1989 20th anniversary turbo Trans Am pace car for me !!

I believe this is the Grand national engine and not the smog controlled 4.9 anemic V-8 if so no brainer.
My favorite car of the period was the 1996 Pontiac Trans Am WS6. I'm always kind of looking out for a time capsule car. I don't look too hard, but if I ever stumble across one, I might actually buy my first GM car ever ;)
 
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