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I'm not the brightest bulb when it comes to manual transmissions but, when replacing a clutch does the whole clutch need to be replaced?
Or am I able to just replace the disc in the stock clutch? If so are these even able to buy by themselves?
 

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The old mechanic's theory is that due to the amount of labor involved, it is customary to replace the clutch pressure plate and the clutch disc as well as the throwout bearing at the same time (and resurface the flywheel). That is the proper way to do the job. This way the flywheel and pressure plate surfaces are perfectly flat to match up with the new perfectly flat clutch disc. If you replace just one of those items, the life span of that part may be longer than the other parts but you will eventually be paying for the labor to pull the transmssion out again in a shorter amount of time to replace another one of the components that failed within their normal lifespan. And at that point you would probably see the light and replace them all as a matched set at that time.
 

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The old mechanic's theory is that due to the amount of labor involved, it is customary to replace the clutch pressure plate and the clutch disc as well as the throwout bearing at the same time (and resurface the flywheel). That is the proper way to do the job. If you replace just one of those items the life span of that part will be longer than the other parts and you WILL be paying for the labor to pull the tranmssion out again in a shorter amount of time to replace another one of the components that failed within their normal lifespan. And at that time you would probably see the light and replace them all as a matched set at that time.
When I looked at Mopar parts they only offered both the pressure plate and disc so that makes sense.
Though they want 2500 for them both and at that cost I could get a new entire clutch assembly.
 

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Doesn't the Hellcat use a multiple disc clutch setup? That would account for the crazy prices.
I was just over at rockauto and they have an old fashioned single disc clutch for my very old 93 viper at $145 !
 

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I've changed/had to change several clutches. I have found that if you replace the pressure plate you never get the clutch feel/tension that the original had. The last clutch I replaced I told the mechanic to inspect the pressure plate and the flywheel disc. If they didn't have signs of heat checking, to leave them alone and only replace the disc. This was a truck however and not a high performance vehicle.
Same feel since 2002.
 

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It just shows the pressure plate and disc so I don't think so?
My car is also a 2016 but I doubt they changed anything.
It's a dual disc, the other one is part of the pressure plate so it's hard to see.


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The stock HC clutch is a twin disc, the OEM for the discs is Sachs ZF.
They are 258mm (10.15") discs.
If you can find the right part number it's possible to buy it straight from Sachs ZF cheaper than OEM.

I checked their online catalog and they didn't list those particular discs--only went up to 2012 392 clutch which is the smaller 240mm (9 7/16") disc.
 

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The stock HC clutch is a twin disc, the OEM for the discs is Sachs ZF.
They are 258mm (10.15") discs.
If you can find the right part number it's possible to buy it straight from Sachs ZF cheaper than OEM.

I checked their online catalog and they didn't list those particular discs--only went up to 2012 392 clutch which is the smaller 240mm (9 7/16") disc.
If I could find the disc and pressure plate from it's actual manufacturers I wonder if I could get a good deal on it.
I'd like to have a spare on in reserve for when mine eventually kicks the bucket.
 

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Call Steve White with an M6 VIN and let them give you a price, even though Sachs makes it the OEM version could be a little different.

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When I looked at Mopar parts they only offered both the pressure plate and disc so that makes sense.
Though they want 2500 for them both and at that cost I could get a new entire clutch assembly.
I just had this happen with my 2015 Hellcat. Clutch pedal gave out about 4 weeks ago. I had my cat towed to a local Dodge service center two few weeks ago and the diagnosis came back $$$$. The clutch assembly was worn down and the clutch master cylinder push rod to the actuator was broken. I was surprised since I have only 10,000 miles on the clock.

My cat needed a pressure plate and disc clutch kit and a new clutch concentric slave actuator assembly. My service writer called me two days later to deliver some bad news. Both parts are back-ordered across the country with no determined date of availability. I was told my cat could be celebrating New Years (or longer) in the service center's back lot. I asked for the parts numbers so I could look for them myself online. The good news is that both parts can be purchased from Mopar online e-stores for about $1800 (as opposed to the service center ask of close to $3000). The bad news mirrored what my service writer had already told me. Both parts were back-ordered with no clear delivery date.

I called about 13-14 online e-stores only to get the same news. The last store I contacted (in Milwaukee) had a contact telephone number. When I called, I actually connected with a rep. He told me the same bad news. Parts are back-ordered. I thanked him for his time and was about to end the call when the rep asked me where I was calling from. I told him Southern California and he checked his database. He told me he found one Dodge service center about an hour north of where I live that had one clutch kit in their inventory. I quickly called that dealership's parts department and they confirmed they had the part. The retail price was $2600. I asked if they could help me out on the price and the parts manager approved to let it go at their cost ($2275). Later that night, I found an aftermarket actuator on RockAuto for $345.

I just got my cat home yesterday afternoon. There were two other small details that needed attention including having the trans flywheel resurfaced at a local machine shop and replacing the master cylinder clutch actuator. I also opted to buy a Barton short throw shifter after my service writer offered to install it for free, since they already had the trans pulled apart.

This was the single, most expensive repair issue in my more than 45 years of personal vehicle ownership history, but a cat with a broken clutch pedal is even more depressing especially since I'm still making payments. I hope your experience will not be nearly as expensive. I listed the breakdown below in terms of what I paid. The pressure plate and disc clutch kit still remains on backorder but there are less costly aftermarket kits available from Ram Clutch. I chose to hunt for the factory kit because Dodge service centers can't offer their two year warranty on non-OEM parts. And (of course) if you have the shade-tree mechanic skills to do this yourself, you can save yourself a significant portion of the total cost.
  • pressure plate and disc clutch kit (part # 5038769AB): $2275
  • clutch concentric slave actuator assembly (part #5038118AB): $345
  • master cylinder clutch actuator (part #68265776AA): $175
  • Resurfacing the trans flywheel: $60
  • labor (8.5 hours at $170 per hour): $1445
  • California State tax and other crap like waste and disposal fees: $300
Good luck to you!
 

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I just had this happen with my 2015 Hellcat. Clutch pedal gave out about 4 weeks ago. I had my cat towed to a local Dodge service center two few weeks ago and the diagnosis came back $$$$. The clutch assembly was worn down and the clutch master cylinder push rod to the actuator was broken. I was surprised since I have only 10,000 miles on the clock.

My cat needed a pressure plate and disc clutch kit and a new clutch concentric slave actuator assembly. My service writer called me two days later to deliver some bad news. Both parts are back-ordered across the country with no determined date of availability. I was told my cat could be celebrating New Years (or longer) in the service center's back lot. I asked for the parts numbers so I could look for them myself online. The good news is that both parts can be purchased from Mopar online e-stores for about $1800 (as opposed to the service center ask of close to $3000). The bad news mirrored what my service writer had already told me. Both parts were back-ordered with no clear delivery date.

I called about 13-14 online e-stores only to get the same news. The last store I contacted (in Milwaukee) had a contact telephone number. When I called, I actually connected with a rep. He told me the same bad news. Parts are back-ordered. I thanked him for his time and was about to hang up when the rep asked me where I was calling from. I told him Southern California and he checked his database. He told me he found one Dodge service center about an hour north of where I live that had one clutch kit in their inventory. I quickly called that dealership's parts department and they confirmed they had the part. The retail price was $2600. I asked if they could help me out on the price and the parts manager approved to let it go at their cost ($2275). Later that night, I found an aftermarket actuator on RockAuto for $345.

I just got my cat home yesterday afternoon. There were two other small details that needed attention including having the trans flywheel resurfaced at a local machine shop and replacing the master cylinder clutch actuator. I also opted to buy a Barton short throw shifter after my service writer offered to install it for free since they already had the trans pulled apart.

This was the most expensive single issue repair in more than 45 years of my personal vehicle ownership history, but a cat with a broken clutch pedal is even more depressing especially since I'm still making payments. I hope your experience will not be nearly as expensive. I listed the breakdown below in terms of what I paid. The pressure plate and disc clutch kit still remains on backorder but there are less costly aftermarket kits available from Ram Clutch. I chose to hunt for the factory kit because Dodge service centers can't offer their two year warranty on non-OEM parts. And (of course) if you have the shade-tree mechanic skills to do this yourself, you can save yourself a significant portion of the total cost.
  • pressure plate and disc clutch kit (part # 5038769AB): $2275
  • clutch concentric slave actuator assembly (part #5038118AB): $345
  • master cylinder clutch actuator (part #68265776AA): $175
  • Resurfacing the trans flywheel: $60
  • labor (8.5 hours at $170 per hour): $1445
  • California State tax and other crap like waste and disposal fees: $300
Good luck to you!
Jeez
Currently mine is a 2016 with 12000 miles. The clutch is strong still and hasn't had any issues. But I know that sometimes they just give out randomly and I just want to stock up incase that happens.
 

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Currently mine is a 2016 with 12000 miles. The clutch is strong still and hasn't had any issues. But I know that sometimes they just give out randomly and I just want to stock up incase that happens.
Yeah, definitely not a bad idea. You may never need to use them and it's a lot of money to tie up in spare parts, but after the hassle I went through trying to source these parts (mostly the clutch repair kit) it would be hard to argue against your thinking. If you ever sell your HC you could always sell the clutch kit separately. I guarantee you won't have to sit on it for very long! :)

Since you don't need the parts immediately you can wait until they become available again. Like I wrote in my previous post, the online Mopar e-stores sell the clutch kit for around $1500. That's a huge savings off the $2275 retail price.
 

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Yeah, definitely not a bad idea. You may never need to use them and it's a lot of money to tie up in spare parts, but after the hassle I went through trying to source these parts (mostly the clutch repair kit) it would be hard to argue against your thinking. If you ever sell your HC you could always sell the clutch kit separately. I guarantee you won't have to sit on it for very long! :)

Since you don't need the parts immediately you can wait until they become available again. Like I wrote in my previous post, the online Mopar e-stores sell the clutch kit for around $1500. That's a huge savings off the $2275 retail price.
Well I got it used so I don't even know how it was previously used.
(I also did burn it just for a split second on a hill start so I'm sure that hasn't helped it either)
I'd rather have it and that way if it ever dies or starts to go out I can get it fixed and back in the road quickly.
 

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Well I got it used so I don't even know how it was previously used.
(I also did burn it just for a split second on a hill start so I'm sure that hasn't helped it either)
I'd rather have it and that way if it ever dies or starts to go out I can get it fixed and back in the road quickly.
What preceded my clutch failure was a noticeable action from the pedal itself. I was having to toe the clutch pedal all the way to the floorboard to engage the gears. That struck me as odd and I drove home to put her away until I could get the issue looked at. Just as I made the final adjustment turn in my garage to line her up in her parking space, the clutch pedal collapsed.
 
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