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Makes sense, they're everywhere. As much as I like the Hellcat version, there's so many Challenger and Chargers on the road, I'm sick of seeing all of them and they don't even turn my head anymore. Market is way too saturated. Another 5-10 years when they thin out some will be a refreshing change. Victim of their own success to some degree.

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I still get offended when they call the Challenger a pony car. I mean, come on... it weighs 4,800lb The only things it has in common with Mustangs and Camaros are 2 doors and 4 tires. In addition, as we all know that the 300, Charger, and Challenger are all built on the same LX platform and have shared powerplants, they're mostly the same cars with some subtle performance differences. If you take those three and compare them to the "pony car" class, then Dodge is just killing it.
 

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I still get offended when they call the Challenger a pony car. I mean, come on... it weighs 4,800lb The only things it has in common with Mustangs and Camaros are 2 doors and 4 tires. In addition, as we all know that the 300, Charger, and Challenger are all built on the same LX platform and have shared powerplants, they're mostly the same cars with some subtle performance differences. If you take those three and compare them to the "pony car" class, then Dodge is just killing it.
Arguably, the Challenger and Charger are the last of the US muscle cars. The Camaro and Mustang are the last of the US pony cars. Either way, they often get compared to one another because they have the top performing engines for their respective brands.

 
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Makes sense, they're everywhere. As much as I like the Hellcat version, there's so many Challenger and Chargers on the road, I'm sick of seeing all of them and they don't even turn my head anymore. Market is way too saturated. Another 5-10 years when they thin out some will be a refreshing change. Victim of their own success to some degree.
Not many on the road, for comparison in 1979 Chevrolet sold 282,571 Camaros, I can go weeks without seeing a Challenger around here.
 

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Not many on the road, for comparison in 1979 Chevrolet sold 282,571 Camaros, I can go weeks without seeing a Challenger around here.
Not in my town, about every 1 out of 5 vehicles is a Charger or Challenger. I see a dozen every day.
 

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Oh yeah Charger has always outsold Challenger and the AWD helped too although now the Challenger is available AWD, the Charger still the better all around car for the masses and the cops and fleets love them.


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I still get offended when they call the Challenger a pony car. I mean, come on... it weighs 4,800lb The only things it has in common with Mustangs and Camaros are 2 doors and 4 tires. In addition, as we all know that the 300, Charger, and Challenger are all built on the same LX platform and have shared powerplants, they're mostly the same cars with some subtle performance differences. If you take those three and compare them to the "pony car" class, then Dodge is just killing it.
Agree with you that the sheer size and weight of the Challenger makes it less a pony car and more true to the muscle car definition. But then you have to consider that likely 60% of those 54k Challengers sold in 2021 were SXT V6 models, which by traditional definition is truer to a pony car. Until you consider the 305 HP of the Pentastar V6, which by 70's standards moves the needle back to the muscle car definition.

All of this time warping is giving me a headache! :unsure:
 

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Makes sense, they're everywhere. As much as I like the Hellcat version, there's so many Challenger and Chargers on the road, I'm sick of seeing all of them and they don't even turn my head anymore. Market is way too saturated. Another 5-10 years when they thin out some will be a refreshing change. Victim of their own success to some degree.
It’s also a problem of keeping the design the same for ever. I can’t think of a single coupe that has lasted essentially unchanged visually for more than ten years.

People who buy coupes have looks ranked higher than any other car type and a generation is usually around five years before the customers really fall off and a new design takes place. Of course Dodge nailed the looks but I think just as important is that it’s a coupe without the compromises of the competitors.

One other thing Dodge nailed is that you can configure one in a myriad of different way and with multiple powertrain configurations.

It’s going to be interesting when everyone is electric and the powertrains from one manufacturer to another isn’t going to be enough to differentiate one brand from another.
 
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