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Short clip of the 2022 Detroit Auto Show with the Charger Daytona Banshee concept, be sure to go this year, definitely a different experience, Auto Show starting to turning into an Amusement Park! Lot of fun, kids should enjoy it too... Gonna get the full clip up soon, but can only do so much with a lot of overtime at work. Making history, first electric muscle car! Pretty cool to see an actual dyno at the Auto Show!

 

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Not many fans of it here. For me it’s a no go.
 
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Let's make a super long list of things that have been, let's be optimistic, 50% successful that the government has imposed on us. Avoiding politics, and being straightforwardly analytical and pragmatic. I'm probably in the younger age bracket here, so I'll defer to more experienced and wiser members to share their input. I'll wait.
 

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Let's make a super long list of things that have been, let's be optimistic, 50% successful that the government has imposed on us. Avoiding politics, and being straightforwardly analytical and pragmatic. I'm probably in the younger age bracket here, so I'll defer to more experienced and wiser members to share their input. I'll wait.
The Interstate highway system!
Completely safe at 75 mph or so and designed therefor.
 

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Not many fans of it here. For me it’s a no go.
Are you sure? I mean problem with internet, just reviews in general, is you get to hear from people that are more likely dissapointed in a product that are more outspoken, rather than the one's that may like a product and a little more dormant in the background, always been a case with a lot of reviews on the internet, has anyone actually taken a poll on this forum or other dodge forums?

I mean there definitely seems to be a large push back... I'll agree, funny story, so I went to the Auto Show twice, because there was a lot of music and loud noise playing in the background when the Dodge representative revved up the frantzonic chambered exhaust, so I went the next day to get a better recording with my camera. She immediately remember me, asked me what I think of the car, I said looks sweet, sounds good, but know there can always room for an improvement with the exhaust, it's always been the case, if you consider even the Dodge Viper or even a V6 combustion engine like lets say the Grand National, when we made a big change with emissions back in the 80s, I said maybe one day that there could be aftermarket companies that manipulate the exhaust to sound better. I think the problem with it, is it's not deep enough and not ground shaking, maybe too much treble and not enough bass, too high pitched. But as I told her, at the auto show she said she's received nothing but positive reviews of the sound and looks of the Banshee, I go really, well you obviously haven't heard what they're saying on the internet, as I told her some were saying it sounds like a vacuum... I couldn't find the viral facebook video funny video, where Banshee is rolling out, that revvs up the egnine, then an old vacuum comes pops up.

Anyways, I shared the video to a few muscle car facebook groups, definitely some kickback. I mean this is a good thing, there's always for room for improvement, and as long as Dodge is listening... I think the problem with a lot of short lived muscle cars failures, is some of the higher ups, just go with what they think is going to become popular, which is what they think, and not what what the public thinks. The failure of the Pontiac GTO and Bob Lutz comes to mind, taking a Holden Monaro and slapping GTO badge on a car, which the original GTO was basically the first to start off the muscle car market and what we know it today.

I own a hellcat, have owned many combustion engine muscle cars in the past 02 Trans Am, 04 Cobra, 98 Camaro, but I kind of know, since we're looking for a more sustainable future, that I think electric will be the way to go for now, are batteries perfect, no! Many are bringing up the battery mineral mines that are quite polluting, but that area is confined to one space on this world, while something like the bp oil spill has had a wide reach and carbon in the atmosphere is coming down and acidifying our oceans, bleaching the great barrier rief which is foundation for fish like, scientists say that 50-80% oxygen come from oceanic plant life like plankton, so I suspect, we'll have to transition for now to a better lesser of two evi!ls technology for now, then once something better comes along, we can make the change again, which I'm sure some people won't be happy about again. Look, there's a lot of things I miss that technology is changing, I'm still stuck in the past with old video games like Bad Company 2, soon as Call of Duty switched to jet packs, I stopped playing. I'm even disappointed with the movie industry, but as Damon explained, technology has also changed that. I'm burned out from super hero movies and we're seeing less of movies like Christine, Death Proof, Phantasm, and Disturbing behavior, movies teenagers could relate to back then and learn from, now I think super hero movies have monopolized the market. Top Gun coming out was a Godsend... Hell I'm thinking of even picking up an modded arcade1up cabinet or Legends Ultimate, which technology is starting to make these old school games multiplayer. I'm so pissed that Bad Company 2 died out, had a youtube channel and fan follow with over 1k+ subs... I know there's still a fan following on Steam, but I'm not huge into PC gaming, more like console with controller, can't stand the mouse and keyboard.


I know some musky fishermen aren't happy about livescope fish finding technology, some say it's turning fishing into a video game, some tournaments are already outlawing it... I still don't even have a working fish finder on my boat and still find a fish of 10,000 casts organically, that's not saying I won't make the change to a 360 fish finder or livescope once the prices come down.

I think there's also a hidden truth some aren't happy about too, that since these electric cars have basically no maintenance, this is going to mean there's going to be a lot of jobs dissapearing. One thing I know is, about the car hobby, a lot of muscle car owners are also mechanics. I know a lot of gear heads that are mechanics. But I suspect we can make progress then go from here, I mean maybe the electric car phase with be short and swift, the thing they say about technology is it moves faster and faster, we may move to something like a more hydrogen based corvette much quicker than we think.


Also, a lot, I mean a lot of modifications will be going away: supercharger, turbocharger, stroker cam, nitrous... Modifications is what really make hobbies so enjoyable, I'm really into modifying my own fishing lures too for musky, even bass fishing too.

I'll say this I think the main thing, is not to let this beautiful art die out, hopefully there can be a more sustainable way to keep these combustion engine cars alive with E85, I know it burns faster, but lot cleaner... There's been a lot of fishing lure technology developed over the ages, because humans are more into fads, there's a lot of fishing lures that have been discontinued because they don't sell no longer and more people are likely to buy something like powerbait or a chatterbait... Mud Bugg, Blue Fox Double Spin, Spoons come to mind, even though these fishing lures work and highly effective, fishermen just moved onto to new lures that are more trending...

I'll also say thing, while I love modding my cars, I may keep my Hellcat completely stock, maybe do some Hoosier drag tires, some different rims, few other things on exterior. I may also get another 04 Cobra Terminator... One thing I noticed is, someone made a video on this, all the gear heads that modified their 4th gen fbodies to the bring where they basically the engine blew, then a lot of these cars made their way over to car grave yards, salvage yards, etc... There was a really good youtube video on this, even had the Last of the Mohicans song playing in the background, but I can't find the video any longer, the video got burried on youtube.
 

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Are you sure? I mean problem with internet, just reviews in general, is you get to hear from people that are more likely dissapointed in a product that are more outspoken, rather than the one's that may like a product and a little more dormant in the background, always been a case with a lot of reviews on the internet, has anyone actually taken a poll on this forum or other dodge forums?

I mean there definitely seems to be a large push back... I'll agree, funny story, so I went to the Auto Show twice, because there was a lot of music and loud noise playing in the background when the Dodge representative revved up the frantzonic chambered exhaust, so I went the next day. She immediately remember me, asked me what I think of the car, I said looks sweet, sounds good, but know there can always room for an improvement with the exhaust, it's always been the case, if you consider even the Dodge Viper or even a V6 combustion engine like lets say the Grand Nation, when we made a big change with emissions back in the 80s, I said maybe one day that there could be aftermarket companies that manipulate the exhaust to sound better. I think the problem with it, is it's not deep enough and not ground shaking, maybe too much treble and not enough bass, too high pitched. But as I told her, at the auto show she said she's received nothing but positive reviews of the sound and looks of the Banshee, I go really, well you obviously haven't heard what they're saying on the internet, as I told her some were saying it sounds like a vacuum... I couldn't find the viral facebook video funny video, where Banshee is rolling out, that revvs up the egnine, then an old vacuum comes pops up.

Anyways, I shared the video to a few muscle car facebook groups, definitely some kickback. I mean this is a good thing, there's always for room for improvement, and as long as Dodge is listening... I think the problem with a lot of short lived muscle cars failures, is some of the higher ups, just go with what they think is going to become popular, which is what they think, and not what what the public thinks. The failure of the Pontiac GTO and Bob Lutz comes to mind, taking a Holden Monaor and slapping GTO badge on a car, which basically started off the muscle car market and what we know it today.

I own a hellcat, have owned many combustion engine muscle cars in the past 02 Trans Am, 04 Cobra, 98 Camaro, but I kind of know, since we're looking for a more sustainable future, that I think electric will be the way to go for now, are batteries perfect, no! Many are bringing up the mineral mines that are quite polluting, but that area is confined to one space on this world, while something like the bp oil spill has had a wide reach and carbon in the atmosphere is coming down and acidifying our oceans, bleaching the great barrier rief which is foundation for fish like, scientists say that 50-80% oxygen come from oceanic plant life like plankton, so I suspect, we'll have to transition for now to a better technology, then once something better comes along, we can make the change again, which I'm sure some people won't be happy about again. Look, there's a lot of things I miss that technology is chaning, I'm still stuck in the past with old video games like Bad Company 2, soon as Call of Duty switched to jet packs, I stopped playing. I'm even disappointed with the movie industry, but as Damon explained, technology has also changed that. I'm burned out from super hero movies and we're seeing less of movies like Christine, Death Proof, Phantasm, and Disturbing behavior, movies teenagers could relate to back then and learn from, now I think super hero movies have monopolized the market. Hell I'm thinking of even picking up an modded arcade1up cabeinet or Legends Ultimate, which technology is starting to make these old school games multiplayer. I'm so pissed that Bad Company 2 died out, had a youtube channel and fan follow with over 1k+ subs... I know there's still a fan following on Steam, but I'm not huge into PC gaming, more like console with controller, can't stand the mouse and keyboard.


I think there's a hidden truth some aren't happy about too, that since these electric cars have basically no maintenance, this is going to mean there's going to be a lot of jobs dissapearing. One thing I know is, about the car hobby, a lot of muscle car owners are also mechanics. I know a lot of gear heads that are mechanics. t But I suspect we can make progress then go from here, I mean maybe the electric car phase with be short and swift, the thing they say about technology is it moves faster and faster, we may move to something like a more hydrogen based corvette much quicker than we think


I think the main thing, is not to let this beautiful art die out, hopefully there can be a more sustainable way to keep these combustion engine cars alive with E85, I know it burns faster, but...
Could you please cut this down to 7 volumes?
 

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Are you sure? I mean problem with internet, just reviews in general, is you get to hear from people that are more likely dissapointed in a product that are more outspoken, rather than the one's that may like a product and a little more dormant in the background, always been a case with a lot of reviews on the internet, has anyone actually taken a poll on this forum or other dodge forums?

I mean there definitely seems to be a large push back... I'll agree, funny story, so I went to the Auto Show twice, because there was a lot of music and loud noise playing in the background when the Dodge representative revved up the frantzonic chambered exhaust, so I went the next day. She immediately remember me, asked me what I think of the car, I said looks sweet, sounds good, but know there can always room for an improvement with the exhaust, it's always been the case, if you consider even the Dodge Viper or even a V6 combustion engine like lets say the Grand National, when we made a big change with emissions back in the 80s, I said maybe one day that there could be aftermarket companies that manipulate the exhaust to sound better. I think the problem with it, is it's not deep enough and not ground shaking, maybe too much treble and not enough bass, too high pitched. But as I told her, at the auto show she said she's received nothing but positive reviews of the sound and looks of the Banshee, I go really, well you obviously haven't heard what they're saying on the internet, as I told her some were saying it sounds like a vacuum... I couldn't find the viral facebook video funny video, where Banshee is rolling out, that revvs up the egnine, then an old vacuum comes pops up.

Anyways, I shared the video to a few muscle car facebook groups, definitely some kickback. I mean this is a good thing, there's always for room for improvement, and as long as Dodge is listening... I think the problem with a lot of short lived muscle cars failures, is some of the higher ups, just go with what they think is going to become popular, which is what they think, and not what what the public thinks. The failure of the Pontiac GTO and Bob Lutz comes to mind, taking a Holden Monaor and slapping GTO badge on a car, which basically started off the muscle car market and what we know it today.

I own a hellcat, have owned many combustion engine muscle cars in the past 02 Trans Am, 04 Cobra, 98 Camaro, but I kind of know, since we're looking for a more sustainable future, that I think electric will be the way to go for now, are batteries perfect, no! Many are bringing up the battery mineral mines that are quite polluting, but that area is confined to one space on this world, while something like the bp oil spill has had a wide reach and carbon in the atmosphere is coming down and acidifying our oceans, bleaching the great barrier rief which is foundation for fish like, scientists say that 50-80% oxygen come from oceanic plant life like plankton, so I suspect, we'll have to transition for now to a better lesser of two evi!ls technology for now, then once something better comes along, we can make the change again, which I'm sure some people won't be happy about again. Look, there's a lot of things I miss that technology is changing, I'm still stuck in the past with old video games like Bad Company 2, soon as Call of Duty switched to jet packs, I stopped playing. I'm even disappointed with the movie industry, but as Damon explained, technology has also changed that. I'm burned out from super hero movies and we're seeing less of movies like Christine, Death Proof, Phantasm, and Disturbing behavior, movies teenagers could relate to back then and learn from, now I think super hero movies have monopolized the market. Hell I'm thinking of even picking up an modded arcade1up cabeinet or Legends Ultimate, which technology is starting to make these old school games multiplayer. I'm so pissed that Bad Company 2 died out, had a youtube channel and fan follow with over 1k+ subs... I know there's still a fan following on Steam, but I'm not huge into PC gaming, more like console with controller, can't stand the mouse and keyboard.


I know some musky fishermen aren't happy about livescope fish finding technology, some say it's turning fishing into a video game, some tournaments are already outlawing it... I still don't even have a working fish finder on my boat and still find a fish of 10,000 casts organically, that's not saying I won't make the change to a 360 fish finder or livescope once the prices come down.

I think there's also a hidden truth some aren't happy about too, that since these electric cars have basically no maintenance, this is going to mean there's going to be a lot of jobs dissapearing. One thing I know is, about the car hobby, a lot of muscle car owners are also mechanics. I know a lot of gear heads that are mechanics. But I suspect we can make progress then go from here, I mean maybe the electric car phase with be short and swift, the thing they say about technology is it moves faster and faster, we may move to something like a more hydrogen based corvette much quicker than we think.


Also, a lot, I mean a lot of modifications will be going away: supercharger, turbocharger, stroker cam, nitrous... Modifications is what really make hobbies so enjoyable, I'm really into modifying my own fishing lures too for musky, even bass fishing too.

I'll say this I think the main thing, is not to let this beautiful art die out, hopefully there can be a more sustainable way to keep these combustion engine cars alive with E85, I know it burns faster, but lot cleaner... There's been a lot of fishing lure technology developed over the ages, because humans are more into fads, there's a lot of fishing lures that have been discontinued because they don't sell no longer and more people are likely to buy something like powerbait or a chatterbait... Mud Bugg, Blue Fox Double Spin, Spoons come to mind, even though these fishing lures work and highly effective, fishermen just moved onto to new lures that are more trending...
For sure there arent a ton of fans on this forum. Maybe beyond the forum...
 

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Are you sure? I mean problem with internet, just reviews in general, is you get to hear from people that are more likely dissapointed in a product that are more outspoken, rather than the one's that may like a product and a little more dormant in the background, always been a case with a lot of reviews on the internet, has anyone actually taken a poll on this forum or other dodge forums?

I mean there definitely seems to be a large push back... I'll agree, funny story, so I went to the Auto Show twice, because there was a lot of music and loud noise playing in the background when the Dodge representative revved up the frantzonic chambered exhaust, so I went the next day to get a better recording with my camera. She immediately remember me, asked me what I think of the car, I said looks sweet, sounds good, but know there can always room for an improvement with the exhaust, it's always been the case, if you consider even the Dodge Viper or even a V6 combustion engine like lets say the Grand National, when we made a big change with emissions back in the 80s, I said maybe one day that there could be aftermarket companies that manipulate the exhaust to sound better. I think the problem with it, is it's not deep enough and not ground shaking, maybe too much treble and not enough bass, too high pitched. But as I told her, at the auto show she said she's received nothing but positive reviews of the sound and looks of the Banshee, I go really, well you obviously haven't heard what they're saying on the internet, as I told her some were saying it sounds like a vacuum... I couldn't find the viral facebook video funny video, where Banshee is rolling out, that revvs up the egnine, then an old vacuum comes pops up.

Anyways, I shared the video to a few muscle car facebook groups, definitely some kickback. I mean this is a good thing, there's always for room for improvement, and as long as Dodge is listening... I think the problem with a lot of short lived muscle cars failures, is some of the higher ups, just go with what they think is going to become popular, which is what they think, and not what what the public thinks. The failure of the Pontiac GTO and Bob Lutz comes to mind, taking a Holden Monaro and slapping GTO badge on a car, which the original GTO was basically the first to start off the muscle car market and what we know it today.

I own a hellcat, have owned many combustion engine muscle cars in the past 02 Trans Am, 04 Cobra, 98 Camaro, but I kind of know, since we're looking for a more sustainable future, that I think electric will be the way to go for now, are batteries perfect, no! Many are bringing up the battery mineral mines that are quite polluting, but that area is confined to one space on this world, while something like the bp oil spill has had a wide reach and carbon in the atmosphere is coming down and acidifying our oceans, bleaching the great barrier rief which is foundation for fish like, scientists say that 50-80% oxygen come from oceanic plant life like plankton, so I suspect, we'll have to transition for now to a better lesser of two evi!ls technology for now, then once something better comes along, we can make the change again, which I'm sure some people won't be happy about again. Look, there's a lot of things I miss that technology is changing, I'm still stuck in the past with old video games like Bad Company 2, soon as Call of Duty switched to jet packs, I stopped playing. I'm even disappointed with the movie industry, but as Damon explained, technology has also changed that. I'm burned out from super hero movies and we're seeing less of movies like Christine, Death Proof, Phantasm, and Disturbing behavior, movies teenagers could relate to back then and learn from, now I think super hero movies have monopolized the market. Top Gun coming out was a Godsend... Hell I'm thinking of even picking up an modded arcade1up cabinet or Legends Ultimate, which technology is starting to make these old school games multiplayer. I'm so pissed that Bad Company 2 died out, had a youtube channel and fan follow with over 1k+ subs... I know there's still a fan following on Steam, but I'm not huge into PC gaming, more like console with controller, can't stand the mouse and keyboard.


I know some musky fishermen aren't happy about livescope fish finding technology, some say it's turning fishing into a video game, some tournaments are already outlawing it... I still don't even have a working fish finder on my boat and still find a fish of 10,000 casts organically, that's not saying I won't make the change to a 360 fish finder or livescope once the prices come down.

I think there's also a hidden truth some aren't happy about too, that since these electric cars have basically no maintenance, this is going to mean there's going to be a lot of jobs dissapearing. One thing I know is, about the car hobby, a lot of muscle car owners are also mechanics. I know a lot of gear heads that are mechanics. But I suspect we can make progress then go from here, I mean maybe the electric car phase with be short and swift, the thing they say about technology is it moves faster and faster, we may move to something like a more hydrogen based corvette much quicker than we think.


Also, a lot, I mean a lot of modifications will be going away: supercharger, turbocharger, stroker cam, nitrous... Modifications is what really make hobbies so enjoyable, I'm really into modifying my own fishing lures too for musky, even bass fishing too.

I'll say this I think the main thing, is not to let this beautiful art die out, hopefully there can be a more sustainable way to keep these combustion engine cars alive with E85, I know it burns faster, but lot cleaner... There's been a lot of fishing lure technology developed over the ages, because humans are more into fads, there's a lot of fishing lures that have been discontinued because they don't sell no longer and more people are likely to buy something like powerbait or a chatterbait... Mud Bugg, Blue Fox Double Spin, Spoons come to mind, even though these fishing lures work and highly effective, fishermen just moved onto to new lures that are more trending...

I'll also say thing, while I love modding my cars, I may keep my Hellcat completely stock, maybe do some Hoosier drag tires, some different rims, few other things on exterior. I may also get another 04 Cobra Terminator... One thing I noticed is, someone made a video on this, all the gear heads that modified their 4th gen fbodies to the bring where they basically the engine blew, then a lot of these cars made their way over to car grave yards, salvage yards, etc... There was a really good youtube video on this, even had the Last of the Mohicans song playing in the background, but I can't find the video any longer, the video got burried on youtube.
Yea this EV chanrger is awesome.. ALMOST as good as the volt…


naaa.. its a raging piece of shit.

but it has an awesome ‘sound organ’ …. Gmafb. Could rev that sound organ at your local car show after a couple of head spins… awesome. I promise no one will laugh
 
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