"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a wealthy merchant to enter the kingdom of heaven."I’d never beg or call twice to beg for somebody to take my 90-100k
Finding a transparent and honorable car dealer is SO rare that it may be worth the effort required to do business with them.
That being said... If you can find another dealer willing to sell you the car you want at 4% under invoice or better, on top of available factory to dealer incentives, then by all means buy it from them.
What you'll find in practice is that there are very few dealerships today selling these cars for $9000 to $14000 off MSRP besides Dan Cummins CDJR.