If I remember correctly a member here confirmed with a Dodge engineer that the D170 engines are not run on the dyno for break-in like all the the rest. Could be part of the issue.

 

Mine's got over 2,100 miles on it and tons of WOT pulls now plus a track day. No problems so far (knock on wood). I'd sure be leery of having one bubble wrapped away somewhere not knowing though. Some obvious QC issues from the engine line for sure.

 

Glad to hear Speedy. I am at 2,500 miles and ran mine Friday night in the 9s again. All runs great. The car is simply amazing on the road and the track and is has exceeded my expectations. I firmly believe after reviewing the stories out there over the past year or so that the people primarily experiencing engine failures are those who did not break them in per the Dodge manual. Time and time again when I ask the question (and actually get a response) you learn they put about 500 miles or so on their Demon 170 before racing it mistakenly believing that is the proper standard - its not. And low and behold these same folks have an engine failure just like Dodge warns can happen in the manual if you dont follow thier break-in instructions including the 1,500 mile standard before tracking . So whether the lack of proper break-in is the problem or not the public record so far certainly points clearly in that direction. And, regardless, you cannot fairly attack the reliablity of a car when you don't follow the engine manufacturer's break-in instructions. Regarding this missing bearing story, I have seen an engine builder or two post that its almost impossible for an engine to run with a missing main bearing, and my Dodge mechanic, who works at a Dodge Power Broker location, claims the such an engine would start knocking almost immediately off the assembly line if it would start at all. So when I have asked for a copy of the entire work invoice behind the story you have posted (excluding personal information of course) nobody is willing to provide it. Thats fine, of course, but if you are not going to back up your story with credible evidence that should be readily available I am not going to give the story much if any credilibity - and neither would a judge in a courtroom by the way. And, I have seen this time and time again with some YouTubers who make bold claims attacking the relialbity of the Demon 170 but provide little to no verifiable evidence to support thier claims in many instances. Why not? Its easy to upload such work orders, right? And, if you can post a 15-30 minutes video calling into question the Demon 170 you can certainly upload supporting documents that take a minute or so, right? Unfortunately, I think certain YouTubers have over the past year engaged in some serious and reckless speculation about the reliablity of the Demon 170, and, as a result, have unfairly tarnished its name and its value. I say "unfair" because of the lack of credible evidence that is almost always absent or highly lacking in completeness. Other you YouTubers scream out that Demon 170 prices are nose diving but ignore recent public sales that clearly indiate otherwise, even when its provided to them in the comment section. To add insult to injury it appars some YouTubers then delete that data (which YouTube permits by the way) to hide those competing sales from their viewers. So, pesonally, I would not be concerned about storing one as these Demon 170s as collector car for a single moment. However, I might change my mind if sombody posted credible evidence of repeated engine failures in Demon 170 AFTER they were first broken-in the full 1,500 miles. You and I both broke our cars in the full 1,500 miles and so far neither you or I have had any type of engine failure problems, and I am seeing that same result on Facebook with other Demon 170 owners as well. Time will tell, but enjoy your Demon 170 my friend. I have very much enjoyed wathing your YouTube channel, and I hope to see you on the track some day!

 

Interesting on that repair invoice in the video it shows method of payment CASH. If that repair in the video was truly a warranty issue why did the owner pay cash?

 

I have 1,500 miles on mine with a few WOT pulls with no issues. I’ll be going to the track in 2-3 weeks once the weather cools off. I hope all goes well.

 

Statistically this problem is off the charts when you factor in that so few of these cars are actually driven. This could be the first time that cars with more miles will be worth more than those with no miles. Proof in the pudding, if a D170 has miles/pulls on it... its a good one or at least a fixed one. A car with 12 miles on it... 10 years from now is a scary buy!

 

Eh, not the first time. The 2018 Demons are trending this direction. 2018 Demons in excellent condition with 20k-30k miles are selling for the same price is those with delivery miles. That being in the $118-$125k range. For OG Demons, delivery mile cars are seemingly not bringing any amount of premium at present.

 

Been following the auction hammer prices of new 170's. Having dropped to as low as 15k over sticker, I'm holding off because of these issues. If true, I'm out even at MSRP.

 

That's awful. We're all devastated that "gocat" is not going to buy a D170.

 

Wide spread? Have any of the cars at Radford racing school had any issues?

It’s funny; go to almost any car forum, and you will see recalls, failures, and quality issues. My Corvette (LS7, 427) had valve guide issues, supposedly.

I guess the Demon is not immune to rumors, falsehoods, or innuendos. For the cars that have blown up, get it fixed and move on, geeez.

1025 ponies, folks. Follow the supplement/break-in and enjoy your ICE monster!

Remember, all cars come with warranties for a reason, and all cars are built by the lowest-cost suppliers!

 

I'm at around 2000 miles and no problems

 

Haters gonna hate

 

Seems like if you make it past 500 miles you’re good to go. The good thing about these engine issues is that if true they are catastrophic and your motor will be toast. It’s not like you drive it for 5000 miles and then it lets go……..

 

1,100 miles and no issues. It's all BS. Much different when you are on the other side of the fence. I am hoping pricing can come down just a bit more so I can pick up another 1 or 2.

I got a max care warranty on the one I have. That's the benefit. Where are you going to get 1,025 HP with a factory extended warranty?

 

1,100 miles and no issues. It's all BS. Much different when you are on the other side of the fence. I am hoping pricing can come down just a bit more so I can pick up another 1 or 2.

I got a max care warranty on the one I have. That's the benefit. Where are you going to get 1,025 HP with a factory extended warranty?

I hope the prices come down more to I’d like to pick another one up myself. Or at least have a back up parts car.

 

500 miles on mine with no issues, as I knock on wood. After the first tank or 93 I only run E85. Dont go to the track. My car is a Saturday car and when I take it out I am always in it. I am not a mechanic but have spoke to many about this bearing issue. All agree the car cant run for more than 5 minutes with a bearing missing, they say not possible. Not calling you a lyer and appreciate your videos but it all just dont ad up? I have never even been to the dealer for the spark plug change and or re-gap. IF IT AINT BROKE DONT FIX IT!

More importantly can you pin the down the range of VIN numbers of these cars blowing up or is it random? Usually an OEM can pin down the production sequence and say cars in a certain VIN range are the ones most probably to have issues. You say Stellantis should issues extended warranties for these cars or at least the ones with engine issues. Stellantis cares less and Dodge is dead and TK flew the coop. If things continue the way they are with engines popping and a shortage of engine issues it may come down to a class action lawsuit. I dont see anything with Stellantis customer service getting better only worse.

 

If your car is smoking on E85 then you obviously got oil getting by the pistons. Could be a pressure ring issues. Take it in, dont wait.

 

Not my video. Butter may be able to answer your questions though.

@Knight37966

 

Here is a video with a warranty replaced engine that seems to be working good. 👍

 

He hasn't taken his new 170 engine to the track yet. Still breaking it in.

 

I’d like to hear the outcome of the D170 that had a spongey block. You can’t make this sh_t up.

 

Good luck getting any facts out of the self proclaimed insider influencer.

 

I don’t plan on selling my D170. I’d turn my D170 into a doghouse before I’d give it away that cheap.

 

Lucky dog.

Just viewed an eye-popping video from OC Motivator. If correct the 170 will be the riskiest Hellcat of all - both in releable performance and resale value. He hypothesizes that dealers hording multiple 2023 Demons will dump them as warranties grow shorter, turning the baddest muscle car ever built into a large herd of white elephants.

 

My thoughts, the DODGE D170 is a
fricken wicked … ask for forgiveness after the fact-not permission before hand …don’t hate the player-hate the game, type of bad ass muscle car that was ever produced … period!

Would I have considered paying a non greedy ADM on one prior to the publicized issues owners are having …. yes.

Would I consider paying any kind of ADM (or even buying one now) after more and more issues are being documented and witnessed … no way!

Just to many issues have been documented and publicized for any further more of my consideration of one to purchase.

For only 3300 of them ever being manufactured … I can’t comprehend even why at minimal, several D170 owners had issues that needed new motors. WTF

I believe the D170 was rushed to the market and released for sale with still unknown developmental challenges that were not addressed.
Was there assembly line issues, quality control issues, or even workers knowing the end was coming and didn’t GAF issues, ect … 🤷‍♂️

Another thought, was there not driving and testing done using the vehicle in the real word before releasing it to the public for sale …. if so, there was no issues the test vehicles were having (really)?

I could keep going on why the D170 is not a consideration for me BUT sincerely hope the owners out there that have one of them bad azz biatch D170’s, the best of luck that they have no issues of what we all have been informed and aware of.

DODGE … why so many D170 fails?

 

They did do testing before they released the car and it was well documented that they were blowing up engines in the process. Supposedly they had that ironed out.

 

I have 2300 miles on mine, zero issues.

 

I have 2,500 miles on mine and it runs perfectly. I read the manual and followed it, breaking in my Demon 170 engine the full 1,500 miles before dragging it.

 

There is no strong evidence to support a bad batch of Demon 170's that I have read about to date, but rather, only speculation generated, in part, by a hand full of Demon 170 YouTubers. In my opinion, a hand full of of YouTube Demon 170 "click baiters" have demostrated time and time again that they are not a reliable source of credible information when it comes to the reliablity of the Demon 170. This YouTube post is a good example, although there are many. Evidence is only credible if it can be viewed in total and can otherwise be verified. Posting only snippits of information that would not see the light of day in a courtroom is not credible evidence, and, thus is not reliable. And when additional information was requested to back up this story, it was not provided to the best of my knowledge. If you cannot back up your claims with credible evidence you stories become nothing more than speculation. We even have a YouTuber's who has told his viewers 500 miles is sufficient to break in a Demon 170 engine, even though the Demon 170 manual clear states 1,500 miles is required or you risk engine damage. And what happened to this guy's Demon 170 engine? Should have been no big surprise - it failed. So, I strongly recommend folks find credible sources of information about the Demon 170's reliablity before jumping to any conclusions about it, and if a channel can't post clear and compelling evidence in a 15 to 30 minute video its not a very credible source of information in my opinion. Nor is a channel credible in my opinion that ignores the written break-in procedures contained in the Demon 170 manual telling its viewers 500 miles is sufficient for engine break-in claiming some unnamed person at Stallantis said so. Unnamed, really? Manual can be ignored when it comes to engine break-in millage, really? Then we have other Demon 170 YouTubers telling us how Demon 170 prices are falling like rocks from the sky, but completely ignore other recent public sales which demostrate the opposite. Sorry, these types of unsubstantiated and/or half truth YouTube posts have virtually zero crediblity in my book, and, further, some have done a real dis-service to the Dodge community.

 

How many of these engines were run hard with 93 octane or other non ethanol fuels (high octane race gas), or super double top secret fuel blends above E85? Can you imagine if Dodge released a Nitrous car. People would be using CO2 & Helium because it was available at the local store.…. and blame Dodge.

PSA please use the flex fuel tuning engineered in these cars.

 

To end all this BS. If a D170 had an engine replaced or missing pistons etc. Post the Vin. None of this supposed warranty work and owner pays cash.

 

End what BS?
Both sides of the fence (owners and non-owners) opinions are debatable. This is a forum of discussion.

I felt the thread had:
No rude remarks
No dis-respect
No personal attacks

Also, I never heard of any D170 owners having “missing pistons” … ?

 

Show the D170 with blown engines vins. I was being sarcastic about missing pistons like missing bearings. The pistons will be next.
In my opinion I don’t think multi million dollar dealerships are too worried about their D170’s they are holding and speculating on. I didn’t buy my D170 to flip or resale, I bought to enjoy which I am thoroughly.

 

All well and good, but as its been widely accepted, only about 1/3 of the D170s sold are actually getting driven. Most of them are locked away in someone's storage awaiting that magic moment when they're worth $500,000. The problem with this is that, given most are in this state at present, they're the norm and not special. When you have a glut of D170s, all of which will be delivery miles, they won't have any added value being stored in that condition. That will be the baseline, and all others will just be worth a little less. In 20 years, if there's 10 D170s for sale and 8 of them are 20 miles or less, those 2 D170s with 50k or less aren't going to be worth 1/3 the price of the undriven ones. That's because an ultra low mile example isn't rare for the type.

You see the exact same thing with Corvettes. Most Corvettes aren't driven 500mi per year. Having a low mile Corvette is nothing special and they don't get any special valuation for being low mileage, regardless of year. The only real exception is with certified odometer low mileage C2s, and the rare collectible ZR1s and the like. Low mileage/unused versions of those sell for huge money. But, simply having a C7 with 5,000 miles is nothing special. Trying to sell a C8 with 10,000 miles is like trying to sell a car infected with gonorrhea.

And, given that the D170 is like most Corvettes in that they're not driven, the seemingly elevated failure rates are scary because these failures are happening, obviously, only with the cars that are putting miles down. So, we don't know for sure how widespread this issue is.

 

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Yeah, but that was a fully optioned factory CF wheel car minus sunroof in PCP. This time last year, those were trading north of $260,000.

 

This time last year there were only a couple hundred cars total, price would be high anyway

 

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