[DGatzby]

This new controller will close that gap!

What will be fun is a friend that races at RA will be there with me again in his C7. He don’t want to buy one, period. He says it works fine as is. So great, we get to compare them side by side and actually measure and see the potential differences in May.

 

[DGatzby]

I received mine last night and the install is easy & straightforward.
It appears to me that the Touring / Street and the Track modes are the same from the files that I read from my controller, at least on the G Comfort Parameters (On G Comfort the Street / Touring and Track were both at 34 default rate while Sport was set at 18 default rate). I changed the G Comfort Default rate on my Touring / Street mode from 34 to 1 and it seems to ride smoother.

Your saying the settings are the same in street and track in the tables or some other parameter or setting or constant?

@MKL_DS we need to verify or correct that, it does not seem consistent with the information and it makes no sense. Or we need to be careful with accurate info.

 

[DGatzby]

Its just the G comfort settings that are the same, meaning it will feel/behave similarly in the steady G conditions.
Again, this stuff gets very technical and these settings don't necessarily represent everything its doing in all conditions.

Hoping for more out of the box feedback from others who have gotten theirs

That makes sense, thanks.

 

[DGatzby]

Drove around today stop go, some back country roads. It all feels good. Each setting seems to change. Track mode in straight lines is soft... I did notice as G’s changed in any direction with a correlation in steering wheel angle things would immediately stiffen up. Street mode again soft but would combat body roll, dipping and diving but absorb a lot of the harshness more so than track. I don’t have a horse in the race. These are my findings from driving.

I like what you are saying. At high speeds at neutral forces, a nice absorbing independent shock set-up sounds good. Then covering with adjusting based on my inputs in milliseconds. Yep, I like it. Can’t wait @MKL_DS .

 

[DGatzby]

That is surprising...how strange considering the weight difference.

They say it don’t do squat except change the firmness btw the performance program selections. Makes a little sense, but I am learning a lot.

 

[DGatzby]

Correct. My understanding of the data in the calibration for the modes as the unit is received from Diablosport:
Street & Track modes are the same with regards to how the shocks are calibrated = Best for Drag or Comfort
Sport = Best for Corner Carving / Road Course

Your understanding? Where is that a given fact? @MKL_DS when can we get specific information and instructions so we don’t get confused.

 

[DGatzby]

Note a given fact at all. That is why I keep preempting everything I post as "my understanding" because I am no expert, but would love input from experts such as DSC Sport and / or Diablosport. Without their input all we can do is try to figure it our ourselves.
Not trying to ruffle any feathers, just trying to learn and understand how it works. There is ALOT of info on the Corvette and Porsche forums and the DSC Sport website.

Thanks, I am getting concerned lots of others are reading the internet as gospel. If Track Mode was Drag Mode we need to know that, for sure and I would be surprised if DS programmed anything different from DSC. So I am 1) waiting for Mike to give me more info and 2) I am prepared to give everyone an evaluation with respect to my thoughts on this item, but also compare it to over 100 previous laps on my home course. And dozens over at RA. I know there are others helping also. So we should all be as accurate and correct as possible because this is pretty exciting stuff. Problem is we are working against winter, a pandemic (personally solving that problem right now - recovering myself and building my antibodies) and the lack of racing schedules due to the continuing uncertainties. So far I have Road America in May for sure. We hope to see BIR sooner, but no info yet. I will have a good idea of things once I can get on the street myself. I have about 30k Hellcat miles between two of them now.

The suspension part of all of the settings never have impressed me. I always drive in the street suspension except when I am actively lapping proper then I will use Track. Otherwise the road needed to be too smooth, or it would not work right. It was teeth rattling. Even when drag racing everyone wants street to soften up the shocks. It is not surprising the shocks don’t get super excited until the .6 to .8 G-Force areas. Below that leaves quite a bit on the table yet. At forces more neutral at high speeds, as I posted yesterday, I’ll take let firm. Because at full firm in Track Mode at the speeds on these high speed tracks, it can get a bit “twitchy”.

 

[DGatzby]

No, because the software will not work with / read the factory controller. I wish I knew the factory settings (ma) for each mode. Maybe Diablosport or DSC Sport will provide us with that info.

Street = comfy
Sport = more firm
Track = most firm

No adjustments except for the initial three setups.

 

[DGatzby]

2.62 and 860 rwhp on 315’s. It kicked down I don’t know to what specific gear.

That’s awesome! Can’t wait. I just had to get it out and turn it around so drove just a few 100 yards. Even in that short little romp in the cold up here I noticed several things! It is a different feeling.

 

[DGatzby]

you won’t hook on the street at 20 with or without the box. Mines at 860 and it laughs at the tires like haha poof smoke. Drag radials MAYBE but I’d be surprised. NOW once I get to the track I have no doubt it’ll drive the rear wheels down into traction town.

I have squeezed it at 20 without the extra controller. Just takes some patience and practice, they will work, you just need to know the limits and follow the speed increasing with more right foot pressure. But big steamrollers help.

 

[DGatzby]

Yea the best I can describe it now as I’m playing with it more. Is it manages how the big cat slings its weight around. If it slings back fast enough to press the rear end down. It’s a “managed” acceleration. I romped on mine this morning at 40 and it was spinning and skating but it didn’t feel skittish if that makes sense. It was more manageable. While being violent. Hot pavement drag radials. I’d say it’ll hook harder. Possibly at 40.

I like it. It won’t work a miracle. But, I do get what your saying.

 

[DGatzby]

It won’t “handle” any better. It will adjust better to changing conditions and shouldn’t slow you down any. I had a similar setup in a Focus RS. Rode better, didn’t handle any better in the twisties.
If your expecting this this to totally change your car into a better handling machine, don’t buy it

Do you expect Diablo to rent laguna seca for a day and run lap times back to back in a charger? Lol

Similar setup? How can you setup a Ford Focus similar to a Hellcat?
What exactly did you do to a Ford Focus and please tell us how it could compare to a Hellcat please. FWD =/ RWD. Power =/ nope. Weight =/ nope not close. Type of course to run in a Focus or a Hellcat? Give me a break, not similar at all except it has four wheels!

You say it will not handle better? As in it won’t improve the acceleration or lap times for anyone? That seems to say their entire concept and promise is not true. You need to give more facts to back that up. I am saying BS my friend, you have stepped way out if your league now.

And one more thing, your last statement implies that DS won’t spend any serious marketing money for unbiased opinion? Your flat wrong, okay?

 

[DGatzby]

Well I will admit, it’s far from a perfect comparison but settle down a bit as you don’t know the full story. Trying to help not ruffle feathers. Not what I’m about

Focus RS is awd first off, not FWD. My RS was not stock and had a similar power to weight ratio to a stock hellcat believe it or not. Not near as fast in a straight line, but on a autocross, well I need not say more

I had a DSC controller on my RS. It did not help lap times in autocross. It did what was advertised for that car, and made the ride more tolerable. So yes, totally different application, but in my eyes this mod allows you to use the car in a more comfortable fashion while driving fast or using the more aggressive dampening settings in the factory menu. If you want lap times your car is gonna have to be sprung stiff. If we are talking quarter mile rips, totally different ball game, but that’s not what I replied about to NeverEnough about his concern.
I lived with one of these controllers for almost 2 years and knew what it did an didn’t do very well for my application. I wasn’t giving a quick one week review but I did not clarify that all so I get it. If you don’t want to take any of what I have learned into changing the “tuning” on a adaptive suspension system that’s totally cool

Last I checked, when you buy a Diablo tuner they give some gain info and wether that’s repeatable in the real world or not is another discussion. My point was, they don’t list ET improvements with their canned tunes for each product line, nor should they. Too many variables. And this product is the same type of deal. The value in it lies in what your individual goals are

Please tell me DGatzby, do you have any experience with these controllers you want to share before nullifying anything I may try to add about them, or are you more interested in just saying it’s a different vehicle and no way they do anything at all in a similar fashion?

I didn’t tell anyone to buy one or not to. Just trying to set realistic expectations. Sorry to have offended you for being out of my league

Sorry. Did not mean to rail on you, I’ll explain my position more clear. I do respect and did read your review on the item in a Ford RS.

I have a controller installed in my Redeye WB. I have driven it 1000 yards last week. I actually felt some difference! It was -20 degrees here yesterday. My car don’t leave the garage except for when the sun shines and the roads are totally clear of any salt, sand or debris. I suspect sometime in March if we are lucky, it can be put on the road, or like last year, it may get put on its trailer and I’ll go drive with my good friend @sad on his favorite track in OK early.

My car is extensively modified for a good balance of street manners and performance on high speed road courses. I would not autocross with 4500 plus pounds of weight with any mods, except for pure fun and comparisons with other 4500 pound cars. I am not surprised a little RS already light and optimized for short turns and AWD don’t show any appreciable objective result, therefore just minor subjective comments as per your account. I’ll stand by my post, the comments are not an appropriate comparison, especially with so many considering the product and waiting for any accounts from others.

I have 100’s of lap times recorded, videos posted and published, data is stored and analyzed with this car and a Hellcat with similar modifications. I have solid comparisons with a few other real serious road race junkies of Hellcats. I am committed to lots of people here and lots of people on another Forum who know me real well (you can check my posts here since 2014) that I will be doing a very detailed comparison with numbers, data and written reports on this item with respect to HIGH SPEED road course lap times. At a minimum that will include both configurations of BIR International and Road America WITH the high speed Kink OPEN. If we get lucky the shortest track will be Hallett. I have data from last year on that track also. Additionally, I have frequently attempted 0-60 street times, myself and others have agreed that if you can launch one on street tires on an unprepared surface AND not even concrete, and get 3.2-3.3 seconds that is as good as it gets. I’ll be looking forward to attempting some quick tests in that area for comparisons. I don’t have a time slip for this car, but I do have a data point with a fairly quick 1/4 mile lapsed time and speed. Again, a quick test or two may show results.

I have listened and have reviewed as many as 20 or more accounts from others on various social platforms concerning this product. They (the manufacturer/engineer) HAVE visited tracks and had people quickly install them for comparisons. Their lap times HAVE improved. As @MKL_DS posts above, they HAVE shown improved 60’ times with this product. I know all of this, I don’t like to “rail” on others, except when IMO their info just don’t seem correct or appropriate and that is the reason I posted my opinion of your post yesterday.

Want to talk about improving lap times with equipment? Think the springs are where it is at huh? You might want to visit our extensive road race section with tremendous information on different items that improve lap times on a Hellcat. Some aftermarket springs will increase lap times! I am 100% confident that independent shock control beyond soft-more stiff-firm will improve lap times on our adjustable shock absorber. Think about the simple part. It will allow riding the rumble strips (and use more of the track - fundamental to quicker lap times) while making the shock absorber in contact with the strip soft, thus improving the driver control from the vibration and jumping otherwise over a rumple strip that would lose time.

Today, you digress, and now want to bad mouth the DS canned tunes on their ECU controller! Why that now?? Don’t tell me to settle down, I don’t need that advice either, if you think this response is over the top. You can’t believe what happens when I get excited.

 

[DGatzby]

I just want to know how you ever drive the car if you're afraid of sand being on the road lol

From usually Mar thru November sometime. The place does quite a 180 from what it looks like today. It amazes some of us too! Even driving a dirty SUV today here is miserable.

 

[DGatzby]

No railing on anything. People asked for an opinion and not many have been drawn. Added what I could to the conversation. You don’t like it, that’s fine

The canned tune talk wasn’t me being a Dick. Your on the Diablo train and that’s great man. I’m happy for you. As an engineer by trade I was trying to explain putting data out on these types of products is hard to do. Sounds like the data is coming and I look forward to it

I have seen your road racing prowess over the years on this forum. Good stuff. Just because I don’t post about other things I’m doing doesn’t mean I don’t know what I’m doing. Have a good day

So, the reference I have interest in DS is not fair, but you need to know. I have nothing to do with DS. I have used their products since about 2005. That is it. Got no horse in this except to help my fellow performance friends. I won’t let trolls just spew BS.

 

[DGatzby]

thought the diablo was more for drag while the dsc was more for carving canyons? diablo 300 dollars cheaper as well doesn't make a whole lotta sense on price difference if their exactly the same configuration.

The DS unit definitely has the “canyon carver” or left and right software included, and has several people ready and prepared to give everyone feedback on that very soon.

 

[DGatzby]

I agree with @rayzazoo, I like the unit. I posted my very favorable first impressions on the street on another thread..,

DiabloSport Suspension Controller First Impressions

Diablo came in today and I wanted to give a rather thorough first impression since I haven’t seen much about them and this is what I would have liked to have read before I purchased mine. This will probably be way too much but hopefully it will help someone with their decision to purchase or...

www.hellcat.org

 

[DGatzby]

Could one buy the Diablosport box & then download the DSC "canyon carver" tunes from their site & upload them to their Diablo box?

You should ask them what is exactly included first. I am not aware it is missing anything.

 

[DGatzby]

So many folks are saying DSC has different tunes (I'm not saying one tune is better or worse) that we can also upload to the Diablo box & try. So why not try them all & see what you like?

Nobody except a couple of Forum posts has told me anything yet, FYI. At this point I am committed to evaluating it as DS supplies it and giving extensive feedback including comparative lap times. I will have comparative lap times on May 3 from my home track, nothing will be better, because I have previously run over 100 laps there in Hellcats. After that evaluation it will be fair that I understand if there are ways to modify it or if there are indeed different “canned tunes” for us. I promise to give fair, and unbiased facts and opinions for everyone.

For the street and daily driving, as I understand the program, if the controller does not sense any G-Force readings from the sensors or no extraordinary inputs from the driver, it rides remarkable smooth. That is consistent with my first impression. Actually when changing from Street-Sport-Track on the fly and with a steady hand and feet, there was hardly any difference in the ride. When cornering, it seems to me it gives us increasing stiffness (more anti-sway) left and right as it reads increasing G-Forces from the driver input. As I understand that part, the different modes have increased stiffness/rebound etc. both in their ultimate settings and are programmed different within each mode.

For me, to begin to evaluate different programs will take a lot more experience with it. I am initially interested in the out of the box improvement, then we shall go from there. It will be fun to discuss that with them and everyone else here who is interested.

 

[DGatzby]

Ditto. Too much subjective interpretation and anecdotal evidence is going to taint this product with worthless opinions and misinformation before enough of it is out in the real world. We see this speculation happen time and again from product to product in this community. Hype, nonsense, and people buying in without doing their due diligence.

There may very well be different "tunes" or "calibration" thresholds between DSC and DS out of the box. But, these are changes anyone can make should they see fit to do so.

I have the software and DSC settings sitting in a folder on my desktop. Once the hardware gets here I can make an objective review of what the differences between them are, and what suits my needs the best.

Regardless, this is very unlikely to be a "snake oil" product as DSC has a long standing reputation across multiple platforms for delivering performance improvements. I did my research and laid down my money to be a part of that.

That said: How do we activate "Launch Control" with this bad boy?

Mike look at the settings you downloaded. As I see their presentation, he says if the brake is held firm, and with the throttle at 25% (that is a setting) or more, it automatically will be in launch mode. The 25% and the duration of the action can be set. I look forward to some of the drag racers and DS themselves to give some more info on this stuff.

I will play with that part of it a bit in the next couple of weeks. I am going to try something simple myself; get a better 0-60.