[hmk123]

I am thinking of finally getting new tires for my 2016 Charger Hellcat which came with the Pirelli All Season Tires. Thinking of going to the Performance Summer Tires. But TireRack shows the OEM one being closed out:

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Pirelli&tireModel=P+Zero&partnum=74YR0P0XLV6&vehicleSearch=true&fromCompare1=yes&autoMake=Dodge&autoYear=2016&autoModel=Charger%20SRT&autoModClar=Hellcat

All the others are brand specific. TireRack person told me to get the GM spec one (TPC):

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Pirelli&tireModel=P%20Zero&partnum=74YR0P0XL&tab=Survey

On Pirelli’s web site they list the Bentley spec one for our cars (when I enter vehicle info):

P ZERO™ 275/40R20 | Pirelli

275/40R20 - P Zero: The expression of Pirelli tire technology in the Ultra High-Performance segment for cars and SUVs. Buy now!

www.pirelli.com

Which looks like it would be this one:

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Pirelli&tireModel=P+Zero&partnum=74YR0P0XLV5&vehicleSearch=true&fromCompare1=yes&autoMake=Dodge&autoYear=2016&autoModel=Charger%20SRT&autoModClar=Hellcat

Then there are also variations for Porsche and BMW. All a bit confusing…. I might check with my local Dodge dealer if they still offer one that is non brand specific. Anyone know what the differences are and which one to get?

And one additional question . What is the main difference between the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 and 4S? Other than price and availability.

Thank you!

 

[DGatzby]

A magnificent battle: Michelin Pilot Sport 4 vs 4s - Top Tire Review

Providing an in depth analysis of Michelin Pilot Sport 4 vs 4s in wet/dry braking/handling, rolling resistance and noise.

toptirereview.com

For Pirelli, get the PZ4 type PZero. I looked and the price differences in the different 275/40’s listed is unreal! I don’t know what to tell you about those.

I like Michelin. I believe you could get a threadwear warranty on the $361 4S. Those could be your best value if you are settled on that size.

 

[GOING TO HELL 19]

I am thinking of finally getting new tires for my 2016 Charger Hellcat which came with the Pirelli All Season Tires. Thinking of going to the Performance Summer Tires. But TireRack shows the OEM one being closed out:

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Pirelli&tireModel=P+Zero&partnum=74YR0P0XLV6&vehicleSearch=true&fromCompare1=yes&autoMake=Dodge&autoYear=2016&autoModel=Charger%20SRT&autoModClar=Hellcat

All the others are brand specific. TireRack person told me to get the GM spec one (TPC):

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Pirelli&tireModel=P%20Zero&partnum=74YR0P0XL&tab=Survey

On Pirelli’s web site they list the Bentley spec one for our cars (when I enter vehicle info):

P ZERO™ 275/40R20 | Pirelli

275/40R20 - P Zero: The expression of Pirelli tire technology in the Ultra High-Performance segment for cars and SUVs. Buy now!

www.pirelli.com

Which looks like it would be this one:

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Pirelli&tireModel=P+Zero&partnum=74YR0P0XLV5&vehicleSearch=true&fromCompare1=yes&autoMake=Dodge&autoYear=2016&autoModel=Charger%20SRT&autoModClar=Hellcat

Then there are also variations for Porsche and BMW. All a bit confusing…. I might check with my local Dodge dealer if they still offer one that is non brand specific. Anyone know what the differences are and which one to get?

And one additional question . What is the main difference between the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 and 4S? Other than price and availability.

Thank you!

4s is a summer tire, with the the regular Ps4 being all season. I just got the Ps4 all season and love them big time. I don't want to garage it over the cold months.

 

[baabootoo]

4s is a summer tire, with the the regular Ps4 being all season. I just got the Ps4 all season and love them big time. I don't want to garage it over the cold months.

No, it isn't. You're thinking of the Pilot Sport All Season 4. The PS4 is still a summer only tire. Confusing? Heck yeah. Th e PS4 is made for certain cars, and usually have different tread depth and maybe that foam inside for noise reduction. Just get the 4S, and you'll have the best available. Go to any track day, and look at the tires and you'll see 4S ALL over the place. There's a reason that they've been #1 for many years!

 

[GOING TO HELL 19]

Yes it is. Mine state all season on the sidewall. Don't know what you're talking about. There is a reason there is an S at the of PS4. I do not have those. I have the AS. Anyway, good luck OP on anything other than the Pirellis.

 

[GOING TO HELL 19]

Yes it is. Mine state all season on the sidewall. Don't know what you're talking about. There is a reason there is an S at the of PS4. I do not have those. I have the AS. Anyway, good luck OP on anything other than the Pirellis.

BTW, I may not have all the correct info. I'm just saying I got the all season and still love them. Probably not great for the track, though.

 

[Xylander]

No, it isn't. You're thinking of the Pilot Sport All Season 4. The PS4 is still a summer only tire. Confusing? Heck yeah. Th e PS4 is made for certain cars, and usually have different tread depth and maybe that foam inside for noise reduction. Just get the 4S, and you'll have the best available. Go to any track day, and look at the tires and you'll see 4S ALL over the place. There's a reason that they've been #1 for many years!

Sorry, but the PS4 is an all season tire. The PS4S is the summer tire. The PS4 All season is a AAA grip rated XL tire that has a higher traction rating than the PZero summer tire. The PS4 will last 25k miles with a warranty. Maybe longer if the car isn't used at burnout competitions.

I think I've said it here 20x at least, but the PS4 All Season is a world class tire, not to be confused with other brands' All Season tires. These are still very sticky and have superb road handling characteristics and are nearly completely silent, even at high speed. They are the world's #1 wet weather tire (which is why I own them, #FloridaLife). I could drive almost all year around on the PS4S, but I'd go through 2 sets of those in the amount of time it takes to go through 1 set of PS4 All Seasons. I can pull sub 4 second 0-60s on these All Seasons, so I'm not exactly sacrificing much for street performance.

 

[DGatzby]

The Pilot Sport ALL SEASON 4 is NOT the same tire as the article I posted above references.
That is a Pilot Sport 4 (PS4).
Don’t be confused.

You try a PS4S or a PS4 in temps under about 35-40 degrees and good luck, your confusion will clear right away!

 

[baabootoo]

PILOT SPORT 4 - SIZE: 245/45R20
Max Performance Summer

 

[hmk123]

It is kind of amazing how many variations there are for a tire. Which in my opinion makes it easy to get/order something wrong. I think it would help if all tire web sites would always show a product number so one can be certain.

I think when it comes to the Pirellis I made the mistake believing that when tirerack shows our current OEM tire as close out that represents the overall situation. I will check with what my local Dodge dealer can offer and see if those are still Pirellis that are not speced for another manufacturer.

At one point I was considering the Pilot 4 in 285 for the rear (which are speced for Porsche) and 275 in the front. But for some reason those 285s seem to have a lower traction rating. I think I will probably stick with one of the two OEM tires (if I can get them). The Michelin All Season does sound interesting, too, though.

 

[Rockster]

I am thinking of finally getting new tires for my 2016 Charger Hellcat which came with the Pirelli All Season Tires. Thinking of going to the Performance Summer Tires. But TireRack shows the OEM one being closed out:

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Pirelli&tireModel=P+Zero&partnum=74YR0P0XLV6&vehicleSearch=true&fromCompare1=yes&autoMake=Dodge&autoYear=2016&autoModel=Charger%20SRT&autoModClar=Hellcat

All the others are brand specific. TireRack person told me to get the GM spec one (TPC):

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Pirelli&tireModel=P%20Zero&partnum=74YR0P0XL&tab=Survey

On Pirelli’s web site they list the Bentley spec one for our cars (when I enter vehicle info):

P ZERO™ 275/40R20 | Pirelli

275/40R20 - P Zero: The expression of Pirelli tire technology in the Ultra High-Performance segment for cars and SUVs. Buy now!

www.pirelli.com

Which looks like it would be this one:

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Pirelli&tireModel=P+Zero&partnum=74YR0P0XLV5&vehicleSearch=true&fromCompare1=yes&autoMake=Dodge&autoYear=2016&autoModel=Charger%20SRT&autoModClar=Hellcat

Then there are also variations for Porsche and BMW. All a bit confusing…. I might check with my local Dodge dealer if they still offer one that is non brand specific. Anyone know what the differences are and which one to get?

And one additional question . What is the main difference between the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 and 4S? Other than price and availability.

Thank you!

My 2018 Hellcat came with Pirelli all season tires. They sucked. My 2020 Scat Pack came with Pirelli high performance tires. They are superb tires.

I ran Pirelli high performance tires alternating at irregular times to running Michelin high performance tires on another (sports) car and both brands were superb tires. But my experience was the Michelin tires were not enough better to justify the considerable price premium the Michelin tires often had.

With only 5K miles on the Scat Pack tires are not on my short list.

When replacement tires are on my short list my advice would be to do as I intend to do and visit the local Dodge dealer and see what Dodge now recommends for tires. If the Pirelli tires on the car have been discontinued (or are just out of stock), it could be Dodge has another Pirelli model of tire approved or maybe a different brand of tire. With some of my previous cars the factory had 2 or more brands of tires approved so I had my choice between Pirelli, Michelin, Continental and Bridgestone tires. All tires were approved by the factory and came from the tire factory with a code molded in to the sidewall indicating they were for my cars.

 

[DevilsReject97]

You couldn't pay me to keep a Pirelli tire on my car when it came time to replace them.... and I absolutely would never replace a Pirelli with another Pirelli. The Michelin PS4S (and it's all season version) are about the best street tire you can buy.... period. Even if the PS4S wasnt available, I still wouldn't ever touch Pirelli as a replacement choice.

 

[Xylander]

The Pilot Sport ALL SEASON 4 is NOT the same tire as the article I posted above references.
That is a Pilot Sport 4 (PS4).
Don’t be confused.

You try a PS4S or a PS4 in temps under about 35-40 degrees and good luck, your confusion will clear right away!

I've driven this Hellcat in Colorado last year with the PS4 All Seasons... in the snow, in Aspen. It did well enough, all things considered. It has very good cold weather performance (they're rated for sub freezing sustained use). I'd never think to street race on cold or icy roads in any car, more less a Hellcat... but I drove from Utah to Florida in January and I never once experienced any sort of unexpected traction mishaps.

Again, you're woefully misinformed... as the PS4 ALL SEASON is not ALL SEASON (Except Winter). Dedicated knobbed snow tires would be better, but for general use, the PS4 All Season is a fantastic cold weather tire. It is the PS4S Summer tire that carries the warning not to use it in temps under 40 degrees as it can crack/separate the rubber. No such issues with the PS4 All Season.

Some reading or you:

Do Michelin’s Pilot Sport All Season 4 Tires Grip Well in Cold Weather and Snow?

The Michelin Pilot Sport All-Season 4 tires have received a lot of good reviews. But can they really provide a good grip in the cold weather and snow?

www.motorbiscuit.com

"All-season tires are normally known for being a little stiffer and even hardening up under cold weather conditions, making it feel like you’re driving on a set of hockey pucks, but these Michelin tires seem to oppose that notion.

 

[hossman]

If your looking for a great street tire go with Continental Extreme Contact Sport.

 

[Xylander]

If your looking for a great street tire go with Continental Extreme Contact Sport.

Agreed, those are also good tires.

 

[DGatzby]

I've driven this Hellcat in Colorado last year with the PS4 All Seasons... in the snow, in Aspen. It did well enough, all things considered. It has very good cold weather performance (they're rated for sub freezing sustained use). I'd never think to street race on cold or icy roads in any car, more less a Hellcat... but I drove from Utah to Florida in January and I never once experienced any sort of unexpected traction mishaps.

Again, you're woefully misinformed... as the PS4 ALL SEASON is not ALL SEASON (Except Winter). Dedicated knobbed snow tires would be better, but for general use, the PS4 All Season is a fantastic cold weather tire. It is the PS4S Summer tire that carries the warning not to use it in temps under 40 degrees as it can crack/separate the rubber. No such issues with the PS4 All Season.

Some reading or you:

Do Michelin’s Pilot Sport All Season 4 Tires Grip Well in Cold Weather and Snow?

The Michelin Pilot Sport All-Season 4 tires have received a lot of good reviews. But can they really provide a good grip in the cold weather and snow?

www.motorbiscuit.com

"All-season tires are normally known for being a little stiffer and even hardening up under cold weather conditions, making it feel like you’re driving on a set of hockey pucks, but these Michelin tires seem to oppose that notion.

You and others are certainly not helping the OP with his simple question.

Misinformed and I own the ALL SEASONS on one vehicle (DD SUV) have the others on another vehicle (Hellcat) and race on them. What is incorrect here? What do you actually own? Where do you live and drive regularly?

I believe we are saying the same thing, but you tell me, because I do not appreciate the attack.

The Pilot Sport ALL SEASON 4 is NOT the same tire as the article I posted above references. You need pictures....

This tire is a Pilot Sport All Season 4

That is not a summer performance PS4S or its predecessor the PS4. I own all of these and live and drive everyday in Minnesota, own a place and have an office in Colorado. Now you tell me what is misinformed.

Here is a link to the ALL SEASONS: https://www.michelinman.com/auto/tires/michelin-pilot-sport-all-season-4

This is what I posted again that tells the difference btw thee PS4 and PS4S summer performance tires...

A magnificent battle: Michelin Pilot Sport 4 vs 4s - Top Tire Review

Providing an in depth analysis of Michelin Pilot Sport 4 vs 4s in wet/dry braking/handling, rolling resistance and noise.

toptirereview.com

@hmk123 despite the confusing items posted by all the geniuses on here, my first post along with this stand as clearly answering your question IMO.

 

[hmk123]

Thank you @DGatzby. I will take a look at their availability. So I made the mistake originally ordering some Pirelli All Seasons that when they arrived I realized it was not the OEM ones and am returning them (were never put on). One other tire that caught my eye is the (new?) Bridgestone Potenza Sport Summer. But the confusion continues because Mopar’s site lists it as an OEM Alternative and Tirerack lists it as an option but if you go to Bridgestone’s website it says it won’t fit my vehicle….

Potenza SPORT

Get the latest Bridgestone Potenza Sport tires to make your driving experience exhilarating with high speed control in wet or dry conditions.

www.bridgestonetire.com

Official Mopar Site | Service, Parts, Accessories & More

See how Mopar is transforming the FCA ownership experience. Explore personalized vehicle information, buy parts and accessories, get coupons and much more.

www.mopar.com

Still going back and forth on whether this time I should go with a summer tire (only drive it occasionally, not my daily driver) or stick with an All Season.

 

[baabootoo]

Go to Tire Rack, so you won't be confused by the manufacturer BS. They are neutral and have no bias towards any brand.

 

[Xylander]

You and others are certainly not helping the OP with his simple question.

Misinformed and I own the ALL SEASONS on one vehicle (DD SUV) have the others on another vehicle (Hellcat) and race on them. What is incorrect here? What do you actually own? Where do you live and drive regularly?

I believe we are saying the same thing, but you tell me, because I do not appreciate the attack.

The Pilot Sport ALL SEASON 4 is NOT the same tire as the article I posted above references. You need pictures....

This tire is a Pilot Sport All Season 4

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That is not a summer performance PS4S or its predecessor the PS4. I own all of these and live and drive everyday in Minnesota, own a place and have an office in Colorado. Now you tell me what is misinformed.

Here is a link to the ALL SEASONS: https://www.michelinman.com/auto/tires/michelin-pilot-sport-all-season-4

This is what I posted again that tells the difference btw thee PS4 and PS4S summer performance tires...

A magnificent battle: Michelin Pilot Sport 4 vs 4s - Top Tire Review

Providing an in depth analysis of Michelin Pilot Sport 4 vs 4s in wet/dry braking/handling, rolling resistance and noise.

toptirereview.com

@hmk123 despite the confusing items posted by all the geniuses on here, my first post along with this stand as clearly answering your question IMO.

I'm not commenting on the stupidity any more. Even Michelin's own website lists them as, quote: "PS4 All Season"

 

[hmk123]

Go to Tire Rack, so you won't be confused by the manufacturer BS. They are neutral and have no bias towards any brand.

So the funny thing is Mopar/Dodge says the Bridgestone Potenza Sport Summer is fine. It is Bridgestone’s own website that gives me a warning saying it doesn’t fit my vehicle. Looks like this is a relatively new tire and there is not much experience with it on Hellcats…