[cooldawg]

I purchased my ‘green Barchetta’ Hellcat because I knew the ICE V8 end was near. Unfortunately I sold it. At the time it seemed like a prudent decision based on 1) early retirement due to clot shot mandate 2) crazy resale values 3) a couple lucky ‘near miss’ traffic violations.

Given I had the title/ no loan, I should’ve tracked it once in a while to lighten my right foot on the street, lol. Now that Dodge has officially been forced to swallow the EV stupid pill, I’m awash in regret…

My local dodge dealer is great. They are trying to sell me a 392 WB shaker. Trouble is the discount still places me within $6k or so of what I paid for my built to order 2019 Hellcat! This market flat out stinks.,.
I think I would be satisfied with a 392. Test drove several prior to ordering the cat. Great acceleration without the endless top end that can get you into trouble in a HURRY. A shaker WB would be very cool vehicle. Just unsure the value is there.

My son and I like the Camaro as well. I can get into a 1SS 1LE 6 speed manual for around $50k. I like both cars. Camaro obviously more of a corner carver. Most owners love em’. 2022 392 WB shaker is going to run $10k north of that, at least.

Are we stuck in this market, or is there a remote possibility Dodge throws us a bone on the incentive front in final year for the platform??? Chevy is treating Camaro people like battered wives due largely to poor sales and the popularity of the C8. 23MY Camaros are arriving on lots with sold order 22’s still in the pipeline! Also it’s MSRP all day long on the Camaro front.

My dodge dealer will certainly have some allocations for MY23…Seems like sales were still pretty strong when power dollars came along. That would certainly win some good will with ICE gear heads given transition to EV’s just around the corner. I suspect there’s a strong possibility the market will get even worse. Publishing the allocations helps with making the connection, but I’m not sure it helps us on the price front.

 

[White Trash]

Order you a Brand new Camaro.
I have a 2018 Demon. I paid $1000 below MSRP of 90K.
I crossed over to a ZL1 and Trust me Hands down a Super Car.
650 hp but almost a 1000 lbs less than the 4700lbs of the Demon.
Now I rarely drive the Demon. The new HC has the same old outdated technology from 2015.

 

[ArchGE]

Hard to pass on a fast Camaro with decent pricing. Being a lighter car, it’s more of a head-snapper on acceleration too. Both cars are seeing the end of their road so is a wash there. Being 6’-5” and life long Mopar fan, a Challenger was the only choice for me but my eyes have been drifting in the C8 direction lately .

 

[cooldawg]

I don’t care for the facia/ front clip changes for Camaro from 19’ on, but ordering in black somewhat hides that. Now I’d pay $60 all day for a NA 426 that bumps HP into mid 500hp range. It’s a big, heavy car after all. As cool as WB shaker would be, it’s not $10k better than SS1LE.

 

[Ace1894]

Get that WB Shaker and don’t look back. They’re almost gone. Camaros are great handlers, but look at em side by side, they ain’t no Challenger. And this is from a guy who has owned 7 Camaros from various generations. The Challenger isn’t the quickest, fastest, or the best corner carver. But look at it. Classic all the way. Just my 2

 

[6lbSsFt]

Definitely the Camaro with the 1LE package.

 

[Mattm400]

Widebody 6 spd. Manual shaker sitting at Dan Cummins this moment for sale!!

 

[HemiMetal]

Are we stuck in this market, or is there a remote possibility Dodge throws us a bone on the incentive front in final year for the platform???

I'm thinking stuck, especially after Tim Kunisikis announced last week that final production Hellcats will be divvied up among top performing dealerships which (to me) translates into competitive bidding and ridiculous dealership markups

 

[NoCoHC]

I would say try something different. I’ve owned several modern Challengers a Scat Pack and Hellcats. I love the cars, but they do get boring after awhile. I just bought a 14 GT500 after wanting one for a long time. Not better than the Challenger just different which is what keeps the hobby interesting at least for me.

 

[furious70]

Mopar or nocar for me. Find an RT and procharge it?

 

[cooldawg]

I'm thinking stuck, especially after Tim Kunisikis announced last week that final production Hellcats will be divvied up among top performing dealerships which (to me) translates into competitive bidding and ridiculous dealership markups

That doesn’t sound good. That’s sort of what I figured, but a factory incentive would close the gap. If they don’t assist with getting people into ‘last call’ vehicles, go long on popcorn for the slow motion EV train wreck. From my perspective, they have a lot to lose. Making the EV go vroom, vroom isn’t going to cut it.

 

[HemiMetal]

Making the EV go vroom, vroom isn’t going to cut it.

Here's how they'll do it. The ringtone plays through your Harmon-Kardan (or maybe small Bluetooth speakers stuffed into the nonfunctional tailpipes?) when you step on the new EVCat's fake accelerator.

https://www.dodgegarage.com/assets/audio/challenger-srt-hellcat-ringtone.mp3

 

[Ace1894]

❤❤❤

 

[oldjonny]

Let's all be brutally honest though...Camaros are plain ugly. No way to deny that.

 

[FreddyG]

Cooldawg: My thoughts on your situation are that my advice would be to figure out what you're going to do with your car. If you're spending quite a bit of time on a road course, then the Camaro sounds like what you should lean towards. If you're planning to make passes at the drag strip, then either car would work. If you're planning on just cruising in comfort with some Cool, Old Muscle, then the WB Scat Pack can't be beat. Hellcat's are pretty awesome cars, but how often are you going to use that power over what the Scat Pack can give you? Is it worth the premium? Only you can decide that.

You can cruise in the Camaro too, but you won't be as comfortable or cool as the WB Scat PAck is (especially the Sinnamon stick one that MattM posted, which is Gorgeous and a stick too, if that's what you want)!

Good Luck because it's a tough choice!

Widebody 6 spd. Manual shaker sitting at Dan Cummins this moment for sale!! View attachment 601513

That's an Absolutely Stunning looking WB Shaker! That is one of the Best colors that Dodge has made (just my opinion)! I prefer the automatic, but that actual car is just jaw dropping!

I hope that the new owner takes off the yellow shipping guard though!

 

[NeverEnough]

LOL @ paying $50k for an SS or a 392 etc. Either wait for the market correction or get another Hellcat or at least the ZL1

 

[Linda's Hell Cat]

All I can say EV's are the same thought of save the trees and we gave up paper straws for plastic ones and now we are back to paper and we hate it!

Once the pendulum swings and things become balanced again!.........I'll be waiting for the Cuda!

 

[BrakeFade]

I purchased my ‘green Barchetta’ Hellcat because I knew the ICE V8 end was near. Unfortunately I sold it. At the time it seemed like a prudent decision based on 1) early retirement due to clot shot mandate 2) crazy resale values 3) a couple lucky ‘near miss’ traffic violations.

Given I had the title/ no loan, I should’ve tracked it once in a while to lighten my right foot on the street, lol. Now that Dodge has officially been forced to swallow the EV stupid pill, I’m awash in regret…

My local dodge dealer is great. They are trying to sell me a 392 WB shaker. Trouble is the discount still places me within $6k or so of what I paid for my built to order 2019 Hellcat! This market flat out stinks.,.
I think I would be satisfied with a 392. Test drove several prior to ordering the cat. Great acceleration without the endless top end that can get you into trouble in a HURRY. A shaker WB would be very cool vehicle. Just unsure the value is there.

My son and I like the Camaro as well. I can get into a 1SS 1LE 6 speed manual for around $50k. I like both cars. Camaro obviously more of a corner carver. Most owners love em’. 2022 392 WB shaker is going to run $10k north of that, at least.

Are we stuck in this market, or is there a remote possibility Dodge throws us a bone on the incentive front in final year for the platform??? Chevy is treating Camaro people like battered wives due largely to poor sales and the popularity of the C8. 23MY Camaros are arriving on lots with sold order 22’s still in the pipeline! Also it’s MSRP all day long on the Camaro front.

My dodge dealer will certainly have some allocations for MY23…Seems like sales were still pretty strong when power dollars came along. That would certainly win some good will with ICE gear heads given transition to EV’s just around the corner. I suspect there’s a strong possibility the market will get even worse. Publishing the allocations helps with making the connection, but I’m not sure it helps us on the price front.

There is a dip coming for the entire economy and the US auto industry. Economists believe this dip will be short lived after inflation settles out a bit, the market will rebound. So wait for the dip and let your searching rip! Dealers and auto manufacturers are very reactive and will knee jerk to the slow down. You’ll find deals then, I’m very confident.They’ll never be as good as pre-covid, but I believe you’ll be able to get deals under msrp. The Ford dealer up the street from me has a full lot of cars and trucks now. I have not seen their lot look like this in almost 2 years. So it’s coming, just be ready because it will be a short dip….

 

[cooldawg]

There is a dip coming for the entire economy and the US auto industry. Economists believe this dip will be short lived after inflation settles out a bit, the market will rebound. So wait for the dip and let your searching rip! Dealers and auto manufacturers are very reactive and will knee jerk to the slow down. You’ll find deals then, I’m very confident.They’ll never be as good as pre-covid, but I believe you’ll be able to get deals under msrp. The Ford dealer up the street from me has a full lot of cars and trucks now. I have not seen their lot look like this in almost 2 years. So it’s coming, just be ready because it will be a short dip….

I agree there might be a dip. Especially if a glut of cars shakes loose in the pipeline…

I also agree with some criticisms on the Camaro, but the Z’s and1LE’s look very good. The 1LE track package is an absolute must for the NA 6.2L version. I wouldn’t track the Camaro, but I did enjoy test driving the more nimble/ lighter alpha platform. Just a different animal than the Challenger. If I ordered a dodge, I would probably stick with the A8, as it’s more of a cruiser.

The cinnamon stick car is a looker for sure, but I noticed it wasn’t priced. My guess is I’m back to low to mid 60’s to buy it. That’s strong money for a 392.

 

[2ndAmend]

Looks like Ford is planning on SC V8's until 2029:

This is probably when the last V8 muscle car will be built

A new V8-powered Ford Mustang will be unveiled in September and will likely be sold through 2029, according to an industry production forecast.

www.foxnews.com

So looks like there will be an alternative around for a while.

I looked into a Camaro before the HC, I have been a long time Chev fan but I just couldn't do the squashed frog look, I don't care how much better it performed.

Don't expect discounting anytime soon. The supply chain is still f'ked up, pent up demand has been increasing as cars are wearing out and there are not enough to replace them, and there is no good news anywhere on the horizon. I don't know where BrakeFade lives, but around me, all the dealer lots look like mall parking lots. They don't even have enough cars to block the view of the empty lot from the road.

If you are young, it is smart to be patient. I am old, if I am too patient, all problems solve themselves.