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My JB fiasco has both taught me about how the factory process works, but shed some light on a new problem Dodge has with their ordering process.

With Dodge's latest foray into the six-digit car prices, they've seemingly stumbled into a problem. Most of their dealerships work in the old school way. They get cars in inventory (or take orders) and sell in-person with buyers on the lot. They use these in-person interactions to sell their ADMs, justify their prices and so on. The buyer seemingly can agree or decline the offer. In years past, their clientele were mostly average Joes buying average Joe cars. People who make +/- the 50-60k range and purchasing sub $50k cars. If a car deal isn't perfect, people would simply opt for a different car or walk to a different dealership. Everything is done mostly at the local level.

Now, with high priced cars and trucks exceeding $100,000, they're opening up to a different class and type of buyer. While local buyers still prefer to buy locally, individuals earning over $100,000 per year are far more mobile. If dealership 1 asks for a $25k ADM, they can just as well go 5 states over and order from dealership 2 that has no ADM. When the car arrives, they fly to the location and drive it home, or simply pay to have it delivered cross country. Many people in the 40-50k salary range might not have 2-3 grand on hand after buying a car to secure delivery. Hence why they're stuck locally. The buyers of expensive cars don't follow this same process.

Dealers that trade in expensive cars shouldn't conduct business like they're the only game in town. At the higher price points, a dealership in Maine is competing with dealerships in Virginia, Texas, Ohio since their buyers can just as well show up at either one to take delivery. The old school concept of in-person pressure selling just doesn't work.

I ran into this a few times this week. Talking with these dealerships gave the impression that they thought they were able to justify their high ADMs because they were the only game in town. One even told me, "Well, we have an allocation. We know what we have, It's not like you can just go anywhere and get one." I reminded him that I was in fact calling from out of state and that's exactly what I was doing as I was comparison shopping TRXs. The simple notion that I might call a dealership in Las Vegas was seemingly foreign to them.

It's obvious to me that many of the dealerships I've had contact with in recent months don't "get it." They're attracting more upwardly mobile clients with their higher priced cars. Their average Joes can't afford their product anymore, and they're unwilling to change how they do business to secure the new type of client for those vehicles. Those that do get it tend to do lots of out-of-state business as 100k car buyers are perfectly able to go to where they can get the best deal and aren't limited by a tight budget. These dealerships offer lower or no ADMs, have systems in place to efficiently deliver vehicles remotely, and are savvy to a more dynamic car buying experience (remote docusign, video conferencing, virtual test drives, etc). One dealership I dealt with in Alabama had a decent rate on a car, but they insisted that all their paperwork process be done in person as, "we prefer a personal touch." Even for a good deal, I'm personally not going to travel 8 hours to spend 30 minutes signing contracts. I'd rather pay 2 grand more and e-sign everything in 10 minutes. The TRX in question, btw, had been on their lot for 7 months. The dealership is in a small, rural NE Alabama area where there just isn't much wealth locally. Good luck to them on selling that $108k truck in one of the poorest counties in the state.

One dealer I know on a more personal level has expressed concern over Dodge/RAM's new higher prices. They're pricing out his normal clientele. Where he could afford to move some 80k cars, he doesn't have the local traffic to move a bunch of 100k cars and trucks. Those vehicles collect dust in the showroom while they try to entice out of area buyers via internet listings. Although they get plenty of inquiries, few fail to materialize because, like the previous dealership, their GM hasn't invested in modernizing their business systems and they can't deliver car deals over the internet very efficiently. This turns off the buyers and they go elsewhere.

In summary, Dodge has a problem, and it is the fact that their high priced cars and trucks are forcing dealerships into territory they're not familiar with. Dodge, much like Ford, largely do business at the local level as they've never really been a luxury brand. They do business at a more simple level for simple people. The quickest way to lose a car deal on a $100,000 car is to treat someone who makes $200,000/yr like they make $50k per year. This isn't a classism thing, but one where the high dollar buyer usually has high dollar problems. That of course is high demand for their time, they desire efficiency, and the simple fact that most of these buyers have purchased multiple expensive cars before and they expect a certain level of service for the price.

See, the result of this problem is that many dealerships are doing vastly reduced business as a result. The ones who get it are doing fantastic business. Thus, it's entirely plausible that many of these slow to adapt dealerships are in danger of getting left behind as more and more large dealerships combine to create conglomerates; big box stores if you will. For those who enjoy their local dealerships and the relationships they make, they might find that in moving to a more luxury oriented price point, they're going to make themselves obsolete with their business systems that cater to trading budget vehicles to budget buyers. When they fail to adapt, they get priced out of the market and/or fail to secure buyers. They might end up becoming the next AutoNation dealership... which is basically the Wal Mart of car shopping.
 

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Good writeup, so are you having issues with your JB or dealer?? (Other than not having it yet)? I did the comparison shopping myself before I ordered mine last year. It really paid off as I personally went with Dan Cummins which was just getting into the game when I ordered. Luckily they are my local dealer, as I was set to order from another one out of state. They have done an excellent job and have sold 100 Hellcats in the last year, most being out of state. Of course any dealer can have issues here & there but I agree with you that most are not set up or ready for business on that higher level.
 

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Agree with your points, but that's not a strictly Dodge issue, rather almost all dealers operate the same way. It is also the reason why my last 4 cars they all came from Autonation member dealers- price negotiation was already done via email and the ordering process and transaction was already predetermined- granted, that was prior to the 2020's crisis, but still, I never had patience for the shady handling and dealings that most stealerships operate under.
 

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Regarding: ''One even told me, "Well, we have an allocation. We know what we have, It's not like you can just go anywhere and get one."''

The general rule is everything a car salesman tells you is 1) Intended to get you buy the vehicle ASAP and 2) Pay as much for it as possible.

What you were told I think is a good example of that.

(Some years ago I was shopping for a new VW Golf. Visited a VW dealer. Walked into the showroom. Crickets. Place was dead. No one came out to greet me. I walked around and remained alone and ignored. After some minutes finally someone came out but he walked over to a couple which had come in after me. I was in no rush so I didn't object.

I heard the guy ask about a new Beetle. I heard the salesman say something to the effect there is no discount buyers were "standing in line" to buy these. I looked around and like I said the place was dead. I had to stifle a laugh. The couple appeared though to buy this for I saw a bit of disapppointment on their faces.)
 

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My JB fiasco has both taught me about how the factory process works, but shed some light on a new problem Dodge has with their ordering process.

With Dodge's latest foray into the six-digit car prices, they've seemingly stumbled into a problem. Most of their dealerships work in the old school way. They get cars in inventory (or take orders) and sell in-person with buyers on the lot. They use these in-person interactions to sell their ADMs, justify their prices and so on. The buyer seemingly can agree or decline the offer. In years past, their clientele were mostly average Joes buying average Joe cars. People who make +/- the 50-60k range and purchasing sub $50k cars. If a car deal isn't perfect, people would simply opt for a different car or walk to a different dealership. Everything is done mostly at the local level.

Now, with high priced cars and trucks exceeding $100,000, they're opening up to a different class and type of buyer. While local buyers still prefer to buy locally, individuals earning over $100,000 per year are far more mobile. If dealership 1 asks for a $25k ADM, they can just as well go 5 states over and order from dealership 2 that has no ADM. When the car arrives, they fly to the location and drive it home, or simply pay to have it delivered cross country. Many people in the 40-50k salary range might not have 2-3 grand on hand after buying a car to secure delivery. Hence why they're stuck locally. The buyers of expensive cars don't follow this same process.

Dealers that trade in expensive cars shouldn't conduct business like they're the only game in town. At the higher price points, a dealership in Maine is competing with dealerships in Virginia, Texas, Ohio since their buyers can just as well show up at either one to take delivery. The old school concept of in-person pressure selling just doesn't work.

I ran into this a few times this week. Talking with these dealerships gave the impression that they thought they were able to justify their high ADMs because they were the only game in town. One even told me, "Well, we have an allocation. We know what we have, It's not like you can just go anywhere and get one." I reminded him that I was in fact calling from out of state and that's exactly what I was doing as I was comparison shopping TRXs. The simple notion that I might call a dealership in Las Vegas was seemingly foreign to them.

It's obvious to me that many of the dealerships I've had contact with in recent months don't "get it." They're attracting more upwardly mobile clients with their higher priced cars. Their average Joes can't afford their product anymore, and they're unwilling to change how they do business to secure the new type of client for those vehicles. Those that do get it tend to do lots of out-of-state business as 100k car buyers are perfectly able to go to where they can get the best deal and aren't limited by a tight budget. These dealerships offer lower or no ADMs, have systems in place to efficiently deliver vehicles remotely, and are savvy to a more dynamic car buying experience (remote docusign, video conferencing, virtual test drives, etc). One dealership I dealt with in Alabama had a decent rate on a car, but they insisted that all their paperwork process be done in person as, "we prefer a personal touch." Even for a good deal, I'm personally not going to travel 8 hours to spend 30 minutes signing contracts. I'd rather pay 2 grand more and e-sign everything in 10 minutes. The TRX in question, btw, had been on their lot for 7 months. The dealership is in a small, rural NE Alabama area where there just isn't much wealth locally. Good luck to them on selling that $108k truck in one of the poorest counties in the state.

One dealer I know on a more personal level has expressed concern over Dodge/RAM's new higher prices. They're pricing out his normal clientele. Where he could afford to move some 80k cars, he doesn't have the local traffic to move a bunch of 100k cars and trucks. Those vehicles collect dust in the showroom while they try to entice out of area buyers via internet listings. Although they get plenty of inquiries, few fail to materialize because, like the previous dealership, their GM hasn't invested in modernizing their business systems and they can't deliver car deals over the internet very efficiently. This turns off the buyers and they go elsewhere.

In summary, Dodge has a problem, and it is the fact that their high priced cars and trucks are forcing dealerships into territory they're not familiar with. Dodge, much like Ford, largely do business at the local level as they've never really been a luxury brand. They do business at a more simple level for simple people. The quickest way to lose a car deal on a $100,000 car is to treat someone who makes $200,000/yr like they make $50k per year. This isn't a classism thing, but one where the high dollar buyer usually has high dollar problems. That of course is high demand for their time, they desire efficiency, and the simple fact that most of these buyers have purchased multiple expensive cars before and they expect a certain level of service for the price.

See, the result of this problem is that many dealerships are doing vastly reduced business as a result. The ones who get it are doing fantastic business. Thus, it's entirely plausible that many of these slow to adapt dealerships are in danger of getting left behind as more and more large dealerships combine to create conglomerates; big box stores if you will. For those who enjoy their local dealerships and the relationships they make, they might find that in moving to a more luxury oriented price point, they're going to make themselves obsolete with their business systems that cater to trading budget vehicles to budget buyers. When they fail to adapt, they get priced out of the market and/or fail to secure buyers. They might end up becoming the next AutoNation dealership... which is basically the Wal Mart of car shopping.
I agree 100%. I have a couple Ram dealerships here in Charleston, and went to go look at some used 2021 TRX's. They have about 20,000 miles on them, and they are still asking 93,000.00 for them today. They have been sitting on the lot for over 6 months. When I was approached with a salesperson about buying one, I told him I am not paying their "market price" listed. I showed him my price protected POC for a 2022 TRX at 4% below invoice, that I ordered from Dan Cummins.

The salesman was like, "well you will have to fly out of state for that", like it was something insane and expensive to do. I told him I will gladly buy a ticket for a couple hundred dollars, and drive my truck back, without any reservations.

These dealerships just don't get it, that they are hurting themselves by trying to be this greedy.
 

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Good writeup, so are you having issues with your JB or dealer?? (Other than not having it yet)? I did the comparison shopping myself before I ordered mine last year. It really paid off as I personally went with Dan Cummins which was just getting into the game when I ordered. Luckily they are my local dealer, as I was set to order from another one out of state. They have done an excellent job and have sold 100 Hellcats in the last year, most being out of state. Of course any dealer can have issues here & there but I agree with you that most are not set up or ready for business on that higher level.
The above really doesn't have to do with my JB experience. That's a more unqiue issue, where what I'm explaining is more systemic to Dodge's current dealership philosophy.

I canceled my JB order as I was dealing with a liar in their sales management office. In short, I ordered a JB that "had an allocation" which actually didn't have one. They told me it was a for sure thing, the car would be built and arrive by mid-March. I sold my Hellcat to make room for the new one... and as March and April went by with the car still in BG status, I began to catch on that they didn't have the allocation they said they did. They took my money to get me off the market and hoped and prayed to get a timely allocation, and they never got one. The end result is that I sold a perfectly good 2020 Hellcat for nothing, so I've been out of a car for 16 weeks with nothing in the pipeline to replace it.

The only reason I stuck it out as long as I did was because I priced in at a low point and had a very good deal. I bought in before the MSRP prices skyrocketed and I saved almost 7 grand over the new price if I place an order today. At the time, I didn't know I was waiting on vaporware. To his credit, the area manager confirmed in early April that they never had an allocation and they weren't earmarked to get one. While they may get a random allocation at some point, it isn't guaranteed. The issue here is that this fiasco has seriously jeopardized my ability to source a car due to high demand and scarce allocations that don't come with some sort of predatory ADM.
 

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My local dodge dealer here in Cullman,Alabama priced ordering me a 2022 Super Stock and was telling me they sell at msrp blah,blah,blah. well they quoted me the car at $92K and some change. I started researching best price dealers and Jake from Dan Cummins kept coming up. So long story short I ordered from Jake and it was $83,097 OTD taxes and all. So I drove the 400 miles to Kentucky to save $9K
 

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The dealership model of the past has been dying for some time, covid restrictions has helped to really push it along. Many states have laws that keep the dealerships propped up and within a cartel of owners too. When more states start to modernize where you can actually order a car directly from the manufacturer, that'll be the death of new car dealers.

Bought my last two cars almost completely over the internet. Less than 30 mins spent in the actual dealership which was refreshing from the days where you had to sit for an hour waiting for the business manager to get to you. And then go over 27 documents about under spray coating and VIN etching.
 

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Very good write up and I agree whole heartedly. I recently went to my local BMW to talk about ordering a 2023 M2 and you immediately see the difference within minutes. There's a mutual understanding that you are owed a level of respect and satisfactory customer service. Luxury brands know their clients and how they expect to be treated. For that reason, even when you are buying an entry level luxury car you are treated way better buying a base $30k luxury car than you are buying Dodge's highest trim for 100k.

You are 100% correct on Dodge treating customer's who are dumping massive amounts of money on a car like they are average Joe's buying a minivan. Utterly disrespectful and embarrassing. I really think Dodge should have just split SRT into a separate "brand" for Scat packs and higher trims in efforts to differentiate customers instead of lumping the higher end purchases into the same shit service as a Dodge Journey.

That being said I do NOT see Dodge changing anytime soon.
 

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Very good write up and I agree whole heartedly. I recently went to my local BMW to talk about ordering a 2023 M2 and you immediately see the difference within minutes. There's a mutual understanding that you are owed a level of respect and satisfactory customer service. Luxury brands know their clients and how they expect to be treated. For that reason, even when you are buying an entry level luxury car you are treated way better buying a base $30k luxury car than you are buying Dodge's highest trim for 100k.

You are 100% correct on Dodge treating customer's who are dumping massive amounts of money on a car like they are average Joe's buying a minivan. Utterly disrespectful and embarrassing. I really think Dodge should have just split SRT into a separate "brand" for Scat packs and higher trims in efforts to differentiate customers instead of lumping the higher end purchases into the same shit service as a Dodge Journey.

That being said I do NOT see Dodge changing anytime soon.
I agree. The best way I can explain the difference between a luxury dealership and a Dodge dealership is to show the service process. At Dodge, the service rep is seemingly a mechanic that bathes regularly (this is a bit of an inside joke, but you get the point). They might wear jeans and a nice tee shirt, but they're usually a former mechanic and a "good old boy" type. They promise the moon, we'll get you done quick... Then a week later and with no status updates, the car isn't done and what's more, they haven't even started it on it yet. He doesn't return phone calls and anytime you go up in person, he's not in the office and nobody else has any info as they don't share details on in-progress service jobs and your folder is locked inside his filing cabinet. When the car's done, there's a new pinhole sized dent somewhere on the car. Guaranteed.

If you walk into a luxury dealership's service department (my experience is mainly with Audi and Lexus), the first thing you notice is that your service manager is wearing a sport coat and tie, or a dress/pantsuit if it's a woman. They greet you warmly and then express amazement as to why you're even there, because they have a concierge system that comes to your house to collect your vehicle for you. When done, they bring it back. There's rarely any reason to ever go to the dealership in person after you buy the car. Our nearest Audi dealership for my wife's lowly $50k SUV is 2 hours away, and they come pick it up and bring it back for things as mundane as a 20k mile routine service. Many have a customer portal you can log on to to see real-time updates on your car's service. As steps are complete, they populate on the portal so you can see not only the status, but as issues are found, they pop up on the portal. The service department will text you multiple times per day to get permission on repairs or to let you know exactly where the car is in their process.

At Dodge, if your repair requires a loaner, you will either get some sort of base model Dodge vehicle, or they'll go snag a Chevy Sonic from Hertz or Avis and make you fill out that company's rental agreements. Off you go.

At Audi, for example, when they picked up my wife's 50k SUV for service, they dropped her an Audi A8, fully loaded. No paperwork. You can even smoke in it if you want (because German car). They did this because she inquired about an A8 before she bought the SUV. So, they decided to let her have an A8 for a couple of days to hopefully entice a future sale after she got to live with one for a while. I applaud them for that extra bit of effort (and for anything that gets her out of driving these stupid little SUVs).
 

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I agree with the above, wife has a Lexus, although it's a lowly NX300, they still treat us as if it were a top end model. I have only taken it in for the free service so far as I'll do it all myself when the freebies are gone. But it's so much better that I don't cringe when it goes to "dealer".
 

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It know it may be premature annointing my sales staff with oil as ive just placed my order but i couldnt have asked for a more friendly courteous and professional group of people. Yes, i spent a bunch of money on my car but i can pretty much say by my judgment of them, they would be just as professional with a customer spending $50k.
Before i took the plunge, I posted a thread on jailbreak allocations as i was learning this system. and ive learned alot on this forum. I learned that any swinging dick salesman that tells you he can order one of these without a JB specific allocation is a flat out liar. I read a lot and did my homework, called jake and he was honest enough to say he didnt have an allocation at the time but put me on a waiting list. Got a call a week later and placed my order. I do live in michigan and kentucky is a drive for me but im retired and dont mind the trip down as im pulling an enclosed trailer and its going straight to ppf and ceramic up in detroit. I realize its a ***** for some as they may still be working to drive or fly 500+ miles. Sorry for long winded post but do your homework before plunking down the money. Dan Cummins will be friendly to everyone, no matter what price range youre in.
 

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Unfortunately, the car industry is copying what happened in housing (only now renting as opposed to buying since buying is truly out of reach for a lot). However, we all know that people will still pay these ridiculous prices supporting this insane market. I still say that ANY business will get whatever they can, until the market falls out from under them. Then, and only after they lose a lot of business and jobs, will they think about cutting back. Why are airline ticket prices so high? Why is it $320 for a nothing seat at a non-playoff Bucks game? Because people pay it, that's why.
 

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I agree. The best way I can explain the difference between a luxury dealership and a Dodge dealership is to show the service process. At Dodge, the service rep is seemingly a mechanic that bathes regularly (this is a bit of an inside joke, but you get the point). They might wear jeans and a nice tee shirt, but they're usually a former mechanic and a "good old boy" type. They promise the moon, we'll get you done quick... Then a week later and with no status updates, the car isn't done and what's more, they haven't even started it on it yet. He doesn't return phone calls and anytime you go up in person, he's not in the office and nobody else has any info as they don't share details on in-progress service jobs and your folder is locked inside his filing cabinet. When the car's done, there's a new pinhole sized dent somewhere on the car. Guaranteed.
They also have a rather unique definition of the word "appointment". Where for most of the world it means that if you show up on-time, you might have to wait a few minutes, but shortly it will be your turn for service. With Dodge service departments however, "appointment" means it's on their calendar to get serviced sometime that day, or maybe the next--while you are still waiting in the lobby regardless of whether you arrived on-time or 2 hours early...

Waiting for the cable installer to show up is a timelier endeavor.

Again, this all goes to the point mentioned that people often have constraints on their time and the lackadaisical attitude they have towards anything resembling promptness screams that they just don't care about their customers needs at all, pre or post sale.
 

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My JB fiasco has both taught me about how the factory process works, but shed some light on a new problem Dodge has with their ordering process.

With Dodge's latest foray into the six-digit car prices, they've seemingly stumbled into a problem. Most of their dealerships work in the old school way. They get cars in inventory (or take orders) and sell in-person with buyers on the lot. They use these in-person interactions to sell their ADMs, justify their prices and so on. The buyer seemingly can agree or decline the offer. In years past, their clientele were mostly average Joes buying average Joe cars. People who make +/- the 50-60k range and purchasing sub $50k cars. If a car deal isn't perfect, people would simply opt for a different car or walk to a different dealership. Everything is done mostly at the local level.

Now, with high priced cars and trucks exceeding $100,000, they're opening up to a different class and type of buyer. While local buyers still prefer to buy locally, individuals earning over $100,000 per year are far more mobile. If dealership 1 asks for a $25k ADM, they can just as well go 5 states over and order from dealership 2 that has no ADM. When the car arrives, they fly to the location and drive it home, or simply pay to have it delivered cross country. Many people in the 40-50k salary range might not have 2-3 grand on hand after buying a car to secure delivery. Hence why they're stuck locally. The buyers of expensive cars don't follow this same process.

Dealers that trade in expensive cars shouldn't conduct business like they're the only game in town. At the higher price points, a dealership in Maine is competing with dealerships in Virginia, Texas, Ohio since their buyers can just as well show up at either one to take delivery. The old school concept of in-person pressure selling just doesn't work.

I ran into this a few times this week. Talking with these dealerships gave the impression that they thought they were able to justify their high ADMs because they were the only game in town. One even told me, "Well, we have an allocation. We know what we have, It's not like you can just go anywhere and get one." I reminded him that I was in fact calling from out of state and that's exactly what I was doing as I was comparison shopping TRXs. The simple notion that I might call a dealership in Las Vegas was seemingly foreign to them.

It's obvious to me that many of the dealerships I've had contact with in recent months don't "get it." They're attracting more upwardly mobile clients with their higher priced cars. Their average Joes can't afford their product anymore, and they're unwilling to change how they do business to secure the new type of client for those vehicles. Those that do get it tend to do lots of out-of-state business as 100k car buyers are perfectly able to go to where they can get the best deal and aren't limited by a tight budget. These dealerships offer lower or no ADMs, have systems in place to efficiently deliver vehicles remotely, and are savvy to a more dynamic car buying experience (remote docusign, video conferencing, virtual test drives, etc). One dealership I dealt with in Alabama had a decent rate on a car, but they insisted that all their paperwork process be done in person as, "we prefer a personal touch." Even for a good deal, I'm personally not going to travel 8 hours to spend 30 minutes signing contracts. I'd rather pay 2 grand more and e-sign everything in 10 minutes. The TRX in question, btw, had been on their lot for 7 months. The dealership is in a small, rural NE Alabama area where there just isn't much wealth locally. Good luck to them on selling that $108k truck in one of the poorest counties in the state.

One dealer I know on a more personal level has expressed concern over Dodge/RAM's new higher prices. They're pricing out his normal clientele. Where he could afford to move some 80k cars, he doesn't have the local traffic to move a bunch of 100k cars and trucks. Those vehicles collect dust in the showroom while they try to entice out of area buyers via internet listings. Although they get plenty of inquiries, few fail to materialize because, like the previous dealership, their GM hasn't invested in modernizing their business systems and they can't deliver car deals over the internet very efficiently. This turns off the buyers and they go elsewhere.

In summary, Dodge has a problem, and it is the fact that their high priced cars and trucks are forcing dealerships into territory they're not familiar with. Dodge, much like Ford, largely do business at the local level as they've never really been a luxury brand. They do business at a more simple level for simple people. The quickest way to lose a car deal on a $100,000 car is to treat someone who makes $200,000/yr like they make $50k per year. This isn't a classism thing, but one where the high dollar buyer usually has high dollar problems. That of course is high demand for their time, they desire efficiency, and the simple fact that most of these buyers have purchased multiple expensive cars before and they expect a certain level of service for the price.

See, the result of this problem is that many dealerships are doing vastly reduced business as a result. The ones who get it are doing fantastic business. Thus, it's entirely plausible that many of these slow to adapt dealerships are in danger of getting left behind as more and more large dealerships combine to create conglomerates; big box stores if you will. For those who enjoy their local dealerships and the relationships they make, they might find that in moving to a more luxury oriented price point, they're going to make themselves obsolete with their business systems that cater to trading budget vehicles to budget buyers. When they fail to adapt, they get priced out of the market and/or fail to secure buyers. They might end up becoming the next AutoNation dealership... which is basically the Wal Mart of car shopping.
Yep, I bought my RE from Manhattan Dodge in Kansas. I’m I’m Texas and they paid for my flight there and picked me up at the airport. Awesome dealership and team.
 

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This issue isn't an FCA/Dodge issue, its an industry issue. And quite frankly, it's all because of COVID. Hell, Ford's plan is making people come in and actually order things, not just be able to go to a lot and buy them. The reality is that once the real world returns (meaning the excuse of service interruptions from COVID are gone) then the bubble will burst and prices will drop... because 95% of this is being caused by shortages....and they're using it as an excuse to rip people off...
 

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Before ultimately ordering form Jake, I gave several local dealerships the opportunity to match, or even come close to the offer I received. One dealer said they don't sell any Hellcats below MSRP. One dealer agreed that, through my employer, I should be getting affiliate pricing. However, they currently are not allowing that! The last dealer did offer me affiliate pricing. But, with 1% off invoice compared to 4.5% off invoice, it still isn't a good enough deal! I'll fly and drive home. Tail of the Dragon is on the way home, too!!
 

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One dealer I know on a more personal level has expressed concern over Dodge/RAM's new higher prices. They're pricing out his normal clientele. Where he could afford to move some 80k cars, he doesn't have the local traffic to move a bunch of 100k cars and trucks. Those vehicles collect dust in the showroom while they try to entice out of area buyers via internet listings. Although they get plenty of inquiries, few fail to materialize because, like the previous dealership, their GM hasn't invested in modernizing their business systems and they can't deliver car deals over the internet very efficiently. This turns off the buyers and they go elsewhere.
Exactly, 20 years ago A CDJR dealership selling a $50K car was a great sale, now you are looking at $70K all in for a Scatt Pack and there are other cars out there that are a better all around value. Dodge is getting outside their lane when they keep pushing the price point up alienating their lower/middle income customers towards other manufacturers. Their getting into a niche market that is smaller than their mass production roots. This is a fanboy site and even the faithful will acknowledge the superiority of other cars in different areas. To the average consumer on paper HC's aren't very appealing; poor gas millage, lack of sophistication, mass production quality build, an aged (past aging) platform. The Uconnect is a sub standard system thrown together by Apple so Dodge could trade on the Apple popularity. My old 14' Malibu's system was superior even though it has less features, the Uconnect works just doesn't leave me with the impression of quality electronics, more like a Sanyo "Walkman" player compared to a Sony Walkman (yep parents got me a Sanyo player for Christmas when Walkman's were all the rage, lasted about three weeks before the FF/RW broke and quality of sound was terrible, whole thing stopped working alltoghether within a few months).

Dodge should have just split SRT into a separate "brand" for Scat packs and higher trims in efforts to differentiate customers
Ram was already split away from Dodge, they can't keep chopping up their brands into smaller units, Once it was all under Chryslers roof with Dodge being more of a department than a independent unit, now each CDJR Brand is an almost completely independent unit of Stellantis. A V6 Challenger uses most of the same parts as a JB, we don't typically consider door locks, windshields, or carpeting when talking about them but they all share them. The SRT label is what is supposed to differentiate from the R/T's and V6's. In 2015 the 392 had an SRT model but that was changed and I think only cars with SC's have the HC or SRT designation now. The Inline 6 Turbo won't have the SRT designation I don't believe as they disbanded the team last year. I'm was thinking Direct Connection should have been the way to sell the SRT models, letting the customers do their 1 of 1 builds and working on designing cars to their specifications with actual performance parts and not just aesthetic trim options, that appeals to the people with deep pockets.
 

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This issue isn't an FCA/Dodge issue, its an industry issue. And quite frankly, it's all because of COVID. Hell, Ford's plan is making people come in and actually order things, not just be able to go to a lot and buy them. The reality is that once the real world returns (meaning the excuse of service interruptions from COVID are gone) then the bubble will burst and prices will drop... because 95% of this is being caused by shortages....and they're using it as an excuse to rip people off...
This has been an issue long before COVID.
Lack of respect for their own customers and potential customers has been a long-standing issue.
I agree that they will use any excuse to further gouge people and thus COVID has been a catalyst to exacerbate the issue.
 
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