[Unholy707]

Hey everyone, looking for advice. I have an original design DSS 4" aluminum driveshaft, and I wanted to know if the new design still has the old vibration issues. I also see that Wiles now has a 4' vs the 3.5". Does anyone have the new Wiles? if so, is there ANY vibration at highway speeds (60+). Looking to get as much info and recommendations as possible from people who have had both the new style DSS and new Wiles on their cars and have run the gambit with them. Thanks!

 

[OldMoparGuy]

My experience installing my 4in. Wiles in my ‘15 M6. I had to pull it out two or three times to fit it but we’re all good. Got it up to about 95 but no vibrations. You could see on the d/s weld exactly where it was hitting the shifter and it left a mark on the shifter as well. I just hit those areas (on the shifter, didn’t touch the ds) with a grinding wheel for a while. Took off enough material to clear it, and when I took the driveshaft out for the last time in order to put Loctite on the bolts I hit it one more time just for a little extra insurance. Only problem I couldn’t properly torque them down as I couldn’t get a torque wrench in so I just tightened them up nice and firm. 👍. Not a tough job at all, just a little tedious but if you guys don’t have an issue with interference between the Barton and the d/s, it’s a bunt. R&R the exhaust is cumbersome with one person but dooable. Two people would be a big help. A worth while mod. Don't forget the cdv removal as well. Good luck.

 

[catdad]

I have a buddy 376 Hemi that has a dss and it has been sent back I believe 3 times now for vibration. Starts out good but after 5-10 runs with a stock redeye it starts to vibrate again.

 

[Blkout]

Livernois is the better of the three options.

 

[Unholy707]

Livernois is the better of the three options.

Hey can you explain the difference in design besides wiles?

 

[Unholy707]

My experience installing my 4in. Wiles in my ‘15 M6. I had to pull it out two or three times to fit it but we’re all good. Got it up to about 95 but no vibrations. You could see on the d/s weld exactly where it was hitting the shifter and it left a mark on the shifter as well. I just hit those areas (on the shifter, didn’t touch the ds) with a grinding wheel for a while. Took off enough material to clear it, and when I took the driveshaft out for the last time in order to put Loctite on the bolts I hit it one more time just for a little extra insurance. Only problem I couldn’t properly torque them down as I couldn’t get a torque wrench in so I just tightened them up nice and firm. 👍. Not a tough job at all, just a little tedious but if you guys don’t have an issue with interference between the Barton and the d/s, it’s a bunt. R&R the exhaust is cumbersome with one person but dooable. Two people would be a big help. A worth while mod. Don't forget the cdv removal as well. Good luck.

Thanks for the input! Yep I always blue loctite my bolts and mark them with a white out pen so I can see if anything loosens over time on it’s own. I’ve had this entire car apart (literally) more than most in the hellcat world haha. Just trying to figure out if wiles is the way to go before I pull the trigger. Interested to hear about liver, so more people that comment with real world use the better!

 

[Unholy707]

I have a buddy 376 Hemi that has a dss and it has been sent back I believe 3 times now for vibration. Starts out good but after 5-10 runs with a stock redeye it starts to vibrate again.

It’s like when I spin the tires it’ll get out of balance for a while or hit a pot hole it’ll balance it back out. That being said, is your friend selling his stock redeye driveshaft? 😁

 

[OldMoparGuy]

Ralph Wiles spent about 20 minutes on the phone with me talking. That sealed the deal for me when deciding to go with him. He also gave a forum discount which you might want to mention.

 

[Adrenaline Rush]

Wiles 5000 miles so far no issues. About 40 1/4 mile passes. About 8 one mile passes over 180. One 1.5 pass at 203. Zero vibration at the higher speeds.

 

[Unholy707]

Wiles 5000 miles so far no issues. About 40 1/4 mile passes. About 8 one mile passes over 180. One 1.5 pass at 203. Zero vibration at the higher speeds.

Awesome thank you! What about at lower speeds? Do you daily the car at all? Really appreciate all the input.

 

[Unholy707]

Ralph Wiles spent about 20 minutes on the phone with me talking. That sealed the deal for me when deciding to go with him. He also gave a forum discount which you might want to mention.

Awesome I’ll definitely have to mention that. Also on another note, I hope they’re okay! I know they’re in Tennessee which got clobbered by hurricane Ida!

 

[OldMoparGuy]

Ask him about a two piece. When we talked about 1.5 yrs back he was not happy about the carrier bearing he engineered so was still doing the 1 piece foam filled 4inch, which is what I’m running.

 

[Adrenaline Rush]

Yes I also spoke to Ralph Wiles twice to make sure this drive shaft would be good at 200 miles an hour.

Awesome thank you! What about at lower speeds? Do you daily the car at all? Really appreciate all the input.

Made the nine hundred mile trip to Maine in July to do the LSR event. Tire balance has never been perfect in this car with the original Pirellis or the Pilot Sport S4 on there now. I also believe the rear diff brace creates a slight resonance or vibration also. Overall the car is fairly smooth I do not believe I'm picking up any drive shaft vibration. But with that being said it is still not as smooth as my eight year old Mercedes E550

 

[OldMoparGuy]

No low speed issues for me.

 

[Unholy707]

Ask him about a two piece. When we talked about 1.5 yrs back he was not happy about the carrier bearing he engineered so was still doing the 1 piece foam filled 4inch, which is what I’m running.

I think I know what his hang up on the 2 piece was….. take a look. Mark Williams 2 piece driveshaft might as well be the wiles, however.. they patented the carrier bearing design for a 2 piece 😑

 

[Unholy707]

And if there’s any ballers out there with the $4,000 golden 2 piece driveshaft, ide sure as heck love to hear from ya 😂

 

[OldMoparGuy]

Yea, 3.2k wasn't happening for me. Now they are 4k? No way!

 

[Unholy707]

awesome

Yes I also spoke to Ralph Wiles twice to make sure this drive shaft would be good at 200 miles an hour.

Made the nine hundred mile trip to Maine in July to do the LSR event. Tire balance has never been perfect in this car with the original Pirellis or the Pilot Sport S4 on there now. I also believe the rear diff brace creates a slight resonance or vibration also. Overall the car is fairly smooth I do not believe I'm picking up any drive shaft vibration. But with that being said it is still not as smooth as my eight year old Mercedes E550

awesome thank you! Steering towards Wiles now.

 

[Unholy707]

Yea, 3.2k wasn't happening for me. Now they are 4k? No way!

Yeah! The price on it went WAY UP! I was looking at it a year or so ago, and even the $3200 was way steep.

 

[Unholy707]

Yea, 3.2k wasn't happening for me. Now they are 4k? No way!

Patents are expensive, has to get paid for somehow I guess lol