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There’s a chain of gas stations called buc-cees they average 100 gas pumps or so per station. When I left the turkey rod run at the Daytona speedway I stopped at one and almost every pump was being used. The thought crossed my mind how if they converted the pumps to electric first of all Florida would probably have a brown out and second how many hours would someone have to wait to charge their car
 

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My buddy bought a Tesla Plaid and my 800 HP Redeye is no match to this car. I takes off like a rocket. In 100 years, gas powered cars really did not evolve all that much. But electric cars have made leaps and bounds. I am not a Electric car fan - but I think my next muscle car will have electric motors in it.

My beef with the Plaid is it looks like an ordinary taxi cab type car. while our hellcats look and and sound bas [email protected]@.
 

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The thought crossed my mind how if they converted the pumps to electric first of all Florida would probably have a brown out
No doubt about it that the electrical grid needs upgrades. Thing is... that's already happening and will continue to happen. Even if literally 0 new ICE cars were sold in North America starting 2025, it'd still be 20 years before the majority of cars on the road would be electric. That's two decades of rolling upgrades. History has shown that - strangely - when we need things, we build them. It's not like the electric companies will just throw their hands in the air and say "we don't want to make money selling you electricity, so screw you."

and second how many hours would someone have to wait to charge their car
That's an issue, but also not the issue you think it is. You're seeing people gathering at fueling stations because that's currently how it's done. With electric cars, it's mostly done at home. Every morning, your car has a fresh ~300 mile range available. There's no need for weekly visits to a gas station. Now, obviously that doesn't work for folks who live in apartment complexes with shared parking lots... yet. For them, again the infrastructure has to build out. Eventually it'll be like RV / mobile home lots, but it'll take time. Also, cross-country travel is an issue. Fortunately that's the vast minority of miles driven.

My reply isn't about "is electric good or bad", it's just that these thoughts of yours aren't the blocking issues you're looking for.
 

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The world is going electric. Infrastructure will be updated as the world comes online. It’s like any thing that comes in mass waves. How long did it take Internet to go from shitty dialup to fiber? Look at the hundreds of billions of dollars telecom companies put into the industry. The countries that aren’t gripped by the balls by BigOil & OPEC will pull away economically from others like a Hellcat vs civic.
 

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The electric Grid is being built on the back of the Taxpayers. Henry Ford (his cars powered by John and Horace Dodge) never had that support. Capitalism and the American Way built what we have.
 

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My buddy bought a Tesla Plaid and my 800 HP Redeye is no match to this car. I takes off like a rocket. In 100 years, gas powered cars really did not evolve all that much. But electric cars have made leaps and bounds. I am not a Electric car fan - but I think my next muscle car will have electric motors in it.

My beef with the Plaid is it looks like an ordinary taxi cab type car. while our hellcats look and and sound bas [email protected]@.
Not much evolution between a 1921 Model T engine and a 2021 Redeye engine huh? SMH where do these people come from?
 

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The electric Grid is being built on the back of the Taxpayers. Henry Ford (his cars powered by John and Horace Dodge) never had that support. Capitalism and the American Way built what we have.
The country’s highway system was built on the backs of taxpayers after the government saw the need and benefit of travel by automobile.
 

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These threads so quickly devolve into left vs right politics smh. I'm actually excited to see where the future of automobiles go. If they are faster, then who cares if they are electric. I almost went electric this time around but got my redeye instead.

I think a few more years are needed to iron some of the kinks for such new evolving tech. My biggest gripe, take the Plaid for example. All that power is amazing, but can only be used like twice, then it runs at a reduced level of power. Or certain tires will greatly reduce range. Charging also needs to be faster and more widely available. Stuff like that needs to be improved upon first.
 

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The electric Grid is being built on the back of the Taxpayers. Henry Ford (his cars powered by John and Horace Dodge) never had that support. Capitalism and the American Way built what we have.
The major electric vehicle companies are installing their own chargers for the public. ( You pay for the power you use by swiping your credit card ! )
Henry Ford used his own thugs to kill unarmed protesters. That is capitalism ?
That is the American way ? .

What if half the cars on the road were electric and the other half ICE
would that solve the perceived problems with the LEFT assholes?
Why do you feel the "left" has a perceived problem ? I think the world knows we have a pollution problem.
I assume you have heard of "smog", or pollution ?
The cities were choked in smog in the 1930's from all the fumes of factory's, buses, coal fired plants.

Bottom line, electrics are another way for the capitalists to make money. When the suit & tie brigade decide to make more money, they change things.
It seems some people feel politics plays into the change to a different power source. Just like some people feel coal is a suitable power source, yet is one of the reasons we have massive pollution. The capitalists, those that line the pockets of the politicians, are the cause of change and the reason you pay more, for everything.
Final comment. Electric power plants have been retrofitted to clean the air better. New plants are already designed to limit pollution and to clean their discharge into the air.
 

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The major electric vehicle companies are installing their own chargers for the public. ( You pay for the power you use by swiping your credit card ! )
Henry Ford used his own thugs to kill unarmed protesters. That is capitalism ?
That is the American way ? .


Why do you feel the "left" has a perceived problem ? I think the world knows we have a pollution problem.
I assume you have heard of "smog", or pollution ?
The cities were choked in smog in the 1930's from all the fumes of factory's, buses, coal fired plants.

Bottom line, electrics are another way for the capitalists to make money. When the suit & tie brigade decide to make more money, they change things.
It seems some people feel politics plays into the change to a different power source. Just like some people feel coal is a suitable power source, yet is one of the reasons we have massive pollution. The capitalists, those that line the pockets of the politicians, are the cause of change and the reason you pay more, for everything.
Final comment. Electric power plants have been retrofitted to clean the air better. New plants are already designed to limit pollution and to clean their discharge into the air.
Agreed. I’m more intrigued at the technological advancement side of the automobile and what electric motors can do for it. With every mass change you’ll always have the “get off my lawn” person that cries for the days of .10 cokes and no seat belts.
 

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You do realize that electric cars were around 100 years ago but charging was an issue and gas was more reliable and easier
Ice haven’t changed much in a 100 years? Have another drink or toke
Long as you don’t go further than 100 miles on your road trip you’ll be fine otherwise so much for charging at home
 

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No doubt about it that the electrical grid needs upgrades. Thing is... that's already happening and will continue to happen. Even if literally 0 new ICE cars were sold in North America starting 2025, it'd still be 20 years before the majority of cars on the road would be electric. That's two decades of rolling upgrades. History has shown that - strangely - when we need things, we build them. It's not like the electric companies will just throw their hands in the air and say "we don't want to make money selling you electricity, so screw you."



That's an issue, but also not the issue you think it is. You're seeing people gathering at fueling stations because that's currently how it's done. With electric cars, it's mostly done at home. Every morning, your car has a fresh ~300 mile range available. There's no need for weekly visits to a gas station. Now, obviously that doesn't work for folks who live in apartment complexes with shared parking lots... yet. For them, again the infrastructure has to build out. Eventually it'll be like RV / mobile home lots, but it'll take time. Also, cross-country travel is an issue. Fortunately that's the vast minority of miles driven.

My reply isn't about "is electric good or bad", it's just that these thoughts of yours aren't the blocking issues you're looking for.
It is not that electric companies are against making more money selling more electricity it is the cost to deliver that electricity. It requires huge amounts of capital. Not only to build the lines to carry the electricity from its source to areas where it is needed but to then increase the amount of electricity that can be delivered to every location/house/business/charging station station.

Word is a handful of EV chargers in a residential area does not strain the grid. But as the number of home owners who require EV chargers goes up the bottleneck is that last mile. And with all the houses, etc., there a huge number of last miles that have to be upgraded.

There have been recently some proposed high tension electric lines but these have run into protests by land owners who say *not in my back yard".

And besides moving the electricity where does the electricity initially come from?

All those EV owners in CA who upon arriving at home after work plug in the EV go inside flip on the lights, the A/C or furnace, the TVs, cook dinner, etc. And the wind dies down. The sun goes goes down. CA has a no nukes policy. Good luck getting more hydro power plants built in CA. Even if you could get permission to submerge a large portion of a mountain valley with water good luck getting the water. And fossil fuel burning power plants? Not on your life.

CA for example has some of the highest electricity rates in the country. These rates will continue to go up. And for those that live in areas with lower electricity rates get ready for the rate increases as the electric companies pass on the the costs to bring electricity to the increasing number of locations that have EV chargers.

It is easy for a governor to say EVs only after say 2035 it is another thing entirely for this to actually happen.
 

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You do realize that electric cars were around 100 years ago but charging was an issue and gas was more reliable and easier
Ice haven’t changed much in a 100 years? Have another drink or toke
Long as you don’t go further than 100 miles on your road trip you’ll be fine otherwise so much for charging at home
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The big question is what is going to backfill all the gas tax revenue. If you charge at a pay charging station they can capture some tax, but how do they capture revenue from at-home charging? Tax everyone's utilities?
 

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The big question is what is going to backfill all the gas tax revenue. If you charge at a pay charging station they can capture some tax, but how do they capture revenue from at-home charging? Tax everyone's utilities?
thats easy. The price of your license plates will go through the roof. I’m my state Hybrids are more expensive than gas and electrics are more expensive than Hybrids.
 
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