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there is no way I can afford to buy a hellcat so I’m looking to to pay around 10k on a older challenger and putting a hellcat engine in it. What older challenger (newer than 2013) can I do that with? And is there anything I need to know when doing the engine swap? I think it’s the cheapest way of doing it if I pay 12k for the challenger then around 15k for the engine. I would probably have 30k into it compared to 80k
 

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there is no way I can afford to buy a hellcat so I’m looking to to pay around 10k on a older challenger and putting a hellcat engine in it. What older challenger (newer than 2013) can I do that with? And is there anything I need to know when doing the engine swap? I think it’s the cheapest way of doing it if I pay 12k for the challenger then around 15k for the engine. I would probably have 30k into it compared to 80k
What is your skill set? Have you taken in a project like this before? It is t just a motor.. it’s the entire drivetrain, not to mention the cost of a brake upgrade. Let alone a bunch of other things I can’t think of off the top of my head right now. Not trying to be a dick but really think about this. Like I said I don’t know your skill set and I don’t know if you have help. Your better off buying a real hellcat from copart if you’re looking to go that route.
 

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there is no way I can afford to buy a hellcat so I’m looking to to pay around 10k on a older challenger and putting a hellcat engine in it. What older challenger (newer than 2013) can I do that with? And is there anything I need to know when doing the engine swap? I think it’s the cheapest way of doing it if I pay 12k for the challenger then around 15k for the engine. I would probably have 30k into it compared to 80k
It is quite literally more expensive to put a HC engine into a non-Hellcat than it is to spend 50k or so on a used Hellcat.

Why? I'll try and keep this brief, as I've been involved in 2 of these:

  • Hellcat engine: (Crate = $15,000-$18,000, OEM new = $20,100 for a 717hp stock new factory crate engine...comes with a warranty)
  • Need new 8HP90 transmission (or a refurbed one... $7-12k)
  • Driveshaft upgrade ($1,500)
  • Likely axle half shafts and a rear diff ($3k)
  • New PCM and TCM ($1,600)
  • New dash and UConnect screen ($2,000)
  • ALL THE WIRING. ALL OF IT. 100% ALL THE WIRING. Take the old stuff out, rewire the entire damn car. Otherwise, when you go for the first start, it's going to throw 300-400 codes. I'm not kidding. On the first car we did, we chased all the codes and spent literally 3 months swapping out solenoids, relays, fuses, fuseable links, etc. On the 2nd car, we replaced all the major wiring harnesses and it took us from 380 codes down to 84
  • Front suspension components need beefed up for the heavier powertrain ($3,000-$5,000)
  • New wheels and tires
  • New fuel pumps
I'm likely missing a few of the key items, as it's been a few years. But the other side of this is that the work will take months. Your labor bill will likely exceed the parts cost by a factor of 2. The labor will be exceptionally expensive if you put a delivery condition on them that demands a no CEL guarantee. If you don't do that, you may very well get a swap, but it'll end up with the aforementioned dozens and dozens and dozens of codes. That's because the way the PCM works, it polls everything from the rear camera to the window motors. If it gets a voltage irregularity, it prevents the fuel pumps from turning on. Bypassing it just causes another error to pop up that prevents the ignition from sending spark, and so on, and so on. On the first car we did in 2015, it took us and a team we flew in from Diablosport 3 weeks just to figure out why the car wouldn't start. Turns out the rear camera module was tripping the voltage code, which couldn't be cleared because the PCM was looking for a different camera that ran on a different power setting. So, we had to swap the spoiler and the camera to get the fuel pump to fire up.

Including the price of the owner's car, his out the door price including parts and labor on the Hellcat swap was just about $90,000. This was back when a new, well equipped Hellcat was 65 grand. Today, this is more of a fine science for shops who know how to do it, so you can generally add $40,000 and that will upgrade a SP to a HC spec.

Keep in mind that to do the engine swap, you have to pull the entire interior to do the wiring harness swap. It's actually considerably cheaper to HC power a car that didn't have a Gen 3 Hemi in it than it is to transplant a 6.2L into a Challenger/Charger where a 5.7L once was. That way you can just use Dodge's Hemi kit and that's all you need. But, you can't use that on a modern Challenger/Charger because nothing in the car will work.

And, as always, I'll go ahead and mention that it's against Federal law to perform the swap, so lots of shops are turning down these builds due to increased pressure from the EPA. It's a 25k fine if they get caught doing it. If you get caught driving an illegally swapped engine, it's $6,000 to you, mandatory vehicle impound, and you'll be court ordered to revert it back to OEM or pay to have the vehicle disposed of.

Long story short, it's ludicrously expensive... and when you're done, it's illegal and no warranty. Insurance companies will give you serious grief about insuring it, unless you lie about it. If you ever have a claim though, it's a great way to get denied and have your policy canceled if you did in fact fail to disclose the swap.
 

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It is quite literally more expensive to put a HC engine into a non-Hellcat than it is to spend 50k or so on a used Hellcat.

Why? I'll try and keep this brief, as I've been involved in 2 of these:

  • Hellcat engine: (Crate = $15,000-$18,000, OEM new = $20,100 for a 717hp stock new factory crate engine...comes with a warranty)
  • Need new 8HP90 transmission (or a refurbed one... $7-12k)
  • Driveshaft upgrade ($1,500)
  • Likely axle half shafts and a rear diff ($3k)
  • New PCM and TCM ($1,600)
  • New dash and UConnect screen ($2,000)
  • ALL THE WIRING. ALL OF IT. 100% ALL THE WIRING. Take the old stuff out, rewire the entire damn car. Otherwise, when you go for the first start, it's going to throw 300-400 codes. I'm not kidding. On the first car we did, we chased all the codes and spent literally 3 months swapping out solenoids, relays, fuses, fuseable links, etc. On the 2nd car, we replaced all the major wiring harnesses and it took us from 380 codes down to 84
  • Front suspension components need beefed up for the heavier powertrain ($3,000-$5,000)
  • New wheels and tires
  • New fuel pumps
I'm likely missing a few of the key items, as it's been a few years. But the other side of this is that the work will take months. Your labor bill will likely exceed the parts cost by a factor of 2. The labor will be exceptionally expensive if you put a delivery condition on them that demands a no CEL guarantee. If you don't do that, you may very well get a swap, but it'll end up with the aforementioned dozens and dozens and dozens of codes. That's because the way the PCM works, it polls everything from the rear camera to the window motors. If it gets a voltage irregularity, it prevents the fuel pumps from turning on. Bypassing it just causes another error to pop up that prevents the ignition from sending spark, and so on, and so on. On the first car we did in 2015, it took us and a team we flew in from Diablosport 3 weeks just to figure out why the car wouldn't start. Turns out the rear camera module was tripping the voltage code, which couldn't be cleared because the PCM was looking for a different camera that ran on a different power setting. So, we had to swap the spoiler and the camera to get the fuel pump to fire up.

Including the price of the owner's car, his out the door price including parts and labor on the Hellcat swap was just about $90,000. This was back when a new, well equipped Hellcat was 65 grand. Today, this is more of a fine science for shops who know how to do it, so you can generally add $40,000 and that will upgrade a SP to a HC spec.

Keep in mind that to do the engine swap, you have to pull the entire interior to do the wiring harness swap. It's actually considerably cheaper to HC power a car that didn't have a Gen 3 Hemi in it than it is to transplant a 6.2L into a Challenger/Charger where a 5.7L once was. That way you can just use Dodge's Hemi kit and that's all you need. But, you can't use that on a modern Challenger/Charger because nothing in the car will work.

And, as always, I'll go ahead and mention that it's against Federal law to perform the swap, so lots of shops are turning down these builds due to increased pressure from the EPA. It's a 25k fine if they get caught doing it. If you get caught driving an illegally swapped engine, it's $6,000 to you, mandatory vehicle impound, and you'll be court ordered to revert it back to OEM or pay to have the vehicle disposed of.

Long story short, it's ludicrously expensive... and when you're done, it's illegal and no warranty. Insurance companies will give you serious grief about insuring it, unless you lie about it. If you ever have a claim though, it's a great way to get denied and have your policy canceled if you did in fact fail to disclose the swap.
Thanks for the information
 

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there is no way I can afford to buy a hellcat so I’m looking to to pay around 10k on a older challenger and putting a hellcat engine in it. What older challenger (newer than 2013) can I do that with? And is there anything I need to know when doing the engine swap? I think it’s the cheapest way of doing it if I pay 12k for the challenger then around 15k for the engine. I would probably have 30k into it compared to 80k
I couldn’t justify the money for a Hellcat when they came out in 2015 but found a wrecked one on Copart with 7K miles. Turned out to be the best car I ever owned. Sold it 6 years later with 115K miles and got most all my money back. No engine swap required 😁
 

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Best starting platform IMO would be a 2015/16 SRT392 but I doubt you’ll find one anywhere near $12K unless you get lucky and find one salvaged with drivetrain damage.
 

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Get an R/T and just play with it, put turbos or a SC, go crazy. If you aren't a gear head you gonna spend a lot of time and headaches trying to turn a Scatt or R/T into a HC, I agree they build them in masse to get the cost down, building one by hand is gonna be costly and time consuming so if it's a hobby and you don't care about the actual car all that much...

The 392 above is probably one of the better cars to try and change into a HC as it has the HC Uconnect and shares a lot of the 2015 HC parts without the SC. If you can find a high millage RE for under $50K get that, unlikely w/o 100K miles on it and some body damage but totally worth it.
 

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That's because the way the PCM works, it polls everything from the rear camera to the window motors. If it gets a voltage irregularity, it prevents the fuel pumps from turning on. Bypassing it just causes another error to pop up that prevents the ignition from sending spark, and so on, and so on. On the first car we did in 2015, it took us and a team we flew in from Diablosport 3 weeks just to figure out why the car wouldn't start. Turns out the rear camera module was tripping the voltage code, which couldn't be cleared because the PCM was looking for a different camera that ran on a different power setting. So, we had to swap the spoiler and the camera to get the fuel pump to fire up.
I ran into a weird issue with an intermittent no-start in a 2018 5.7 charger after its driven about 45min. It just won't cycle the starter. All the lights go on but something prevents the starter from cranking. I let it sit for about 30 min when it happens and it starts right up. Happens after about 45min of driving. Sometimes it starts fine, others it won't start until it sits for a while.

Would i see a trouble code for a no start?

Then I can try and figure out what's the problem?
 

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I ran into a weird issue with an intermittent no-start in a 2018 5.7 charger after its driven about 45min. It just won't cycle the starter. All the lights go on but something prevents the starter from cranking. I let it sit for about 30 min when it happens and it starts right up. Happens after about 45min of driving. Sometimes it starts fine, others it won't start until it sits for a while.

Would i see a trouble code for a no start?

Then I can try and figure out what's the problem?
There will be a code of some kind. If it is an electrical issue, it might flag something like the CAN bus or give some type of code that points to a voltage irregularity. The first thing I'd do is check the battery and both the connections to the battery in the trunk, as well as the junction box in the front. If you're running on the original, it's way past due (they're good for 3 years or so). Low battery voltage causes some paranormal level wonkiness with these cars.
 

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there is no way I can afford to buy a hellcat so I’m looking to to pay around 10k on a older challenger and putting a hellcat engine in it. What older challenger (newer than 2013) can I do that with? And is there anything I need to know when doing the engine swap? I think it’s the cheapest way of doing it if I pay 12k for the challenger then around 15k for the engine. I would probably have 30k into it compared to 80k



Guess it depends on what your skill level is, what sort of deals you can find, and how much sweat equity you put in... pretty much like anything. All sorts of people do exactly what you are talking about. If you got the skills to do alot of it yourself, have priced the engine build ( prepare for suprise costs to jump out on you with a build ). Then you need the harness, all the dash gauge stuff, rear end, list goes on ... if you want to build a hellcat from a none hellcat.

To be honest, you would be better buying a flood damaged car and swapping out electronics. Thats a scary thing to say, doable though. I dont think it makes you stupid for doing it either, if thats what you want to do then do it. You will probably get further along though buying a high mileage hellcat. Or, be a boss and drop a hellcat or scat motor in a duster or dart.


@SickToo They finally tried to make right. Been retracting alot of what I said. So, I got that going.

Good luck with the build whichever direction you go, these cars are fun. @Keith1004
 

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A LOT more to it than just installing motor n trans

Everyone else here is gonna tell ya to just buy a hellcat

Going off your first post I am going to agree with them
wouldn't a swap be better anyway? no offense to hellcat owners but like its literally a boat on wheels id rather have a heavy engine and a light chassis so that i got top end
 
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