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After testing I have to agree .

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The whole problem is all of these companies hired "influencers" to break the law and rub the government's nose in it. Especially the coal rollers. Well guess what happens?

We all pay for it.

Stock diesel trucks make 1000ft/lbs of torque these days - what does defeating the emmisions prove? Yes, I know it can be argued that removing the devices can improve mileage, and that the systems themselves are wasteful... but, they are legally based decisions right or wrong.

Draw unnecessary attention to yourself and suffer the consequences. Especially when people think you are trying to harm them. Like bellowing huge clouds of soot and lauding it. FFS.

Act like a child, get spanked.
 

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**** the epa... their initial goals were accomplished in the late 90's, rather than investing into new technology they invest in coming up with schemes to fine people for stupid shit. i blame this on commiefornia....
 

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840hp through the cats. There is no justification to delete them. Change my mind.
I had my cats melt on a dyno look up Alexando Florez on YT and there is a guy dgatspy just had his stock cats melt down and blew his engine. he was lucky he had not heavily modded the car. and therfore as we speak he is getting a new engine for redeye.
 

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Maybe this will stop those damn trucks blowing black smoke all over everyone.
No doubt that was what got their juices flowing rolling coal, but unfortunately we are in the blast zone to. they supposedly have a cat out that will hold 850hp per firing bank made by gesi, but horsepower is heat. and everyone that gets these cars (me included) throws another hundred HP and TQ right out of the gate. and some of the warranties on HF cats say they will not warranty on FI vehicles turbo/SC.
 

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I hate to say it... but the coal rollers are taking us all down... as much as I like performance and horse power seeing a coal roller billowing black smoke is annoying as I know the repercussions of that. I'm all for clean air and keeping it that way... but I'm also in support of the hot rod industry. This is over reach by the EPA brought on by coal rollers that will hurt a lot of people, businesses, companies and many forms of racing.
 

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I, and many others whole-heartily DISAGREE with you on that one.
And I know plenty who disagree with you... I'm all for stuff that benefits us... but seen too many times where they are just trying to screw people while showing no basis for their rules/laws.

Yes, everyone will agree the rolling coal is stupid.... but most aftermarket exhausts improve MPG or at the very least dont hurt it.
 

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Maybe this will stop those damn trucks blowing black smoke all over everyone.
Seeing less and less coal rollers (which is a good thing) but when I do see one they’re being complete D’Bags! and ya gotta hope the wind is working for you…I think coal rolling and blowing train horns go hand in hand
 

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And I know plenty who disagree with you... I'm all for stuff that benefits us... but seen too many times where they are just trying to screw people while showing no basis for their rules/laws.

Yes, everyone will agree the rolling coal is stupid.... but most aftermarket exhausts improve MPG or at the very least dont hurt it.
And most emission systems designed today do not cost any fuel efficiency, some actually improve it. But people just assume that if it has the word "emissions" in it, it must be bad. Literally hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars have been spent worldwide on this technology, which allows me to drive a 797 hp car that pollutes less than a 60s era motorcycle.
 
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