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Just an FYI. All of this info I'm about to give you is public knowledge (as we post all warrants down here on a public portal, so I'm not tipping folks off or anything)

We (State/county police agency HQ) were given notification of 11 state search warrants for suspicion of violating the Clean Air Act by operating or modifying vehicle emissions systems. 8 of the warrants are for private vehicle owners, 3 are for for rather well-established auto shops in my county. These folks can expect to be forced to have their vehicles impounded and/or inspected to verify the status of the emissions systems. In Florida, it's a 2nd degree misdemeanor crime and $5,000 per catalytic converter removed for owners, and up to $25,000 per vehicle modified by service providers.

It seems like environmental protection agents have been reviewing social media to locate prominent content posters and the shops who did their work as they are specifically targeting individuals with popular social media pages who have modified their vehicles to have the cats removed. We all knew this day was coming, but it seems like today is the day, at least down here in Tallahassee, FL.

And no, this is not an April Fool's joke.
 

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On another forum, there are reports from Iowa and Michigan that agents have come to inspect their cars today as well. I won't know for a few weeks, but this may be the result of a Federal EPA investigation driving the increase in activity. So, just be advised. If I get any more info, I'll pass it along as it becomes public.
 

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Doesn’t necessarily surprise me that more enforcement is happening as everyone and their mother on YouTube post about cat delete kits, installs and generally driving those same cars like ass hats. I am surprised this is from Florida though
 
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Well, Florida is very lenient. We don't have noise ordinances at the state level between 7am and 10pm. You can play the stereo as loud as you want, and run uncapped headers on a 70 Chevelle 454 if that's your thing. But, Florida is also pretty strict on its emissions laws... that being we really only have the one that says, "You can't tamper with your emissions devices or get fined." We aren't like Cali or NY where you have to get emissions tests. But, if a person is suspected of having tampered with their emissions devices (see: catalytic converters), Florida has some pretty steep fines. Up until recently, I've only really seen violations as part of a traffic stop for something else. Usually, a police officer adds a mandatory inspection for someone who's obviously modified, but is doing something like running their mouth, got caught street racing, or some such. This is why I think this is more a Federally driven issue.
 

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Here's my take. If a driver is a jag, makes a lot of noise just because, he'll get stopped. Then the officer will nail him if the cats are removed. Moral? Don't drive like a jag around the city getting attention. My used Charger had the mid mufflers gone, but I installed resonators because "I" didn't like the noise.
 

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Here's my take. If a driver is a jag, makes a lot of noise just because, he'll get stopped. Then the officer will nail him if the cats are removed. Moral? Don't drive like a jag around the city getting attention. My used Charger had the mid mufflers gone, but I installed resonators because "I" didn't like the noise.
Yep, drive like an asshat and your looking for trouble. Local cops know my cat is literally straight piped but they don't bother me.
 

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For a typically very limited use vehicle,I think this BS and a straight up attack on the whole car hobby.

As a fan of cars and the whole hobby,this has been going on for years,even decades in the name of the environment.
 

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Just a question-

if You had hollowed out cats, with O2 sensors in place - how would they tell ? Do they do tail pipe tests ?
 

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I understand being able to nail the owner but how would you prove a shop removed someones cats unless they have it listed on the paperwork.
 

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Trump Administration Announces One National Program Rule on Federal Preemption of State Fuel Economy Standards
09/19/2019

Sounds to me like the Feds are acting out under the one Agency rule.. Biden is taking avatage of the new rule...
 

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I understand being able to nail the owner but how would you prove a shop removed someones cats unless they have it listed on the paperwork.
Oh that's easy. The targets of these investigations aren't really regular people. The goal is to nab the shops. They nab a few high profile easy to catch people, then they sit down with some investigators and part of it goes like this, "Look, we get it. You like your car, we do too. But, what you did was illegal. You can feel free to defend yourself in court where there's a pretty expensive fine... or you can sign this statement where you identify the date/time/place where the catalytic converters were removed and we'll drop the fine and cite you for improper equipment. All you have to do is put the OEM cats back on and there will be no fine."

All it takes is a couple of people to say they got it from the same shop... then maybe they send an undercover to see if they can get the same service done. Then, per the EPA guidance, if they don't keep records of their exhaust work, then they're likely going out of business soon. It's a $3,000 per cat for an individual who has their cats removed, it's $25,000 per job at a shop. There are further very expensive fines for failing to keep records and submitting them when audited.
 

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Just a question-

if You had hollowed out cats, with O2 sensors in place - how would they tell ? Do they do tail pipe tests ?
In states with emissions testing, they typically plug a sniffer into the tailpipe. O2 sensors and a tune on a hollow cat just keeps the CEL away. It won't do anything to stop a failed emissions test (at least not in Colorado and California where I lived).
 
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