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My friend, who lives in West Italy, showed me (in a personal email) how the Dodge Challenger Hellcat (and the exotics) performed in Quattroruote's recent issue. After 200 km/h the Hellcat jumped by and beat a Ferrari F12 tdf and a Lamborghini Aventador Superveloce (LP750-4 SV).

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PERFORMANCE DATA AS SEEN IN ABOVE PICTURE

0-40 km/h
Ferrari F12 TdF: 1.3 sec
Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV: 1.1 sec
Ferrari 488 GTB: 1.2 sec
Porsche 911 Turbo S: 0.9 sec
Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat: 1.9 sec

0-60 km/h
Ferrari F12 TdF: 1.8 sec
Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV: 1.5 sec
Ferrari 488 GTB: 2.0 sec
Porsche 911 Turbo S: 1.4 sec
Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat: 3.0 sec

0-80 km/h
Ferrari F12 TdF: 2.5 sec
Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV: 2.1 sec
Ferrari 488 GTB: 3.2 sec
Porsche 911 Turbo S: 1.9 sec
Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat: 4.1 sec

0-100 km/h
Ferrari F12 TdF: 3.3 sec
Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV: 2.9 sec
Ferrari 488 GTB: 3.6 sec
Porsche 911 Turbo S: 2.7 sec
Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat: 4.7 sec

0-200 km/h
Ferrari F12 TdF: 9.7 sec
Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV: 9.0 sec
Ferrari 488 GTB: 8.6 sec
Porsche 911 Turbo S: 9.5 sec
Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat: 10.9 sec

0-300 km/h
Ferrari F12 TdF: 23.5 sec
Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV: 24.7 sec
Ferrari 488 GTB: 31.6 sec
Porsche 911 Turbo S: 29.9 sec
Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat: 22.9 sec

As you can see (from the numbers), the Hellcat had a pretty bad start probably due to rear-drive traction with the weight going into the front with seating for 5. Despite, it beats pretty much everything (except the three hybrid hypercars we know of) to 300 km/h.
 

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I forgot to mention the top speeds tested at the Nardo Ring.

F12 TdF: 343.8 km/h (213.6 mph)
LP750 SV: 355.5 km/h (220.9 mph)
F488 GTB: 331.9 km/h (206.2 mph)
911 Turbo S: 312.2 km/h (194.0 mph)
Chally Hellcat: 345.0 km/h (214.4 mph)

The Hellcat is barely faster than the more powerful and track-oriented TdF and much faster than a Turbo S.
 

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Lord hellcat...
U were the one driving the hellcat that pertains to this post????just re read u post.... Apparently my mind inserted an "I" between if and had..... Funny how the mind does this
 

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Can anybody explain what happened with the 911's numbers above 100km 0-200km in under 10 sec.... Its like it ran outa gas.... I guess the ratios are so close 1-4.... It toped out at 194... So 0-150 in 9 seconds then another 20 seconds to go another 40 mph.... Something is weird....and i think 0-80 mph in 2.7 is brak your neck fast... Knock u out when your head hit the head rest fast.... How is that even possible... I dont think i believe it... I wanna see video:))
 

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O i fuess i dont onow my conversitons well... Knot as impressive when it wasnt rounded of in my head.... Apparently my mind round in favor of the unbelievable...lol im a dummy
 

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These are simply astounding numbers. I guess when you let the cat loose it can almost fly. Am I reading this right 214 mph?

That top end would certainly beat any stock car in America.
 

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I'm finding the 214mph a little hard to believe for the cat. I'm not calling BS on it but if this is a stock, as delivered from the factory car, I'm
perplexed???? Does anyone here have any thoughts on that 214 Top Speed?
 

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I'm not sure here guys... something flaky... the numbers just don look right to me on the 0-300KPH blasts? I would love to be able to claim the Hellcat will do 214... The Hellcat Challenger is a brick compared to these other cars so I would think it would really be at a disadvantage in the 200-300 acceleration range... yet it blows them away between 200-300KPH... if the hellcat was going to shine anyplace it would be in the 100 to 200 range after you get out of the hole but before areo really becomes a huge factor... yet it's in the middle.o_O

200KPH to 300KPH Comparison
1) Hellcat - 12.0 sec
2) Ferrari F12 - 13.8 sec
3) Lambo - 15.7 sec
4) Porsche - 20.4 sec
5) Ferrari 488 - 23.0 sec

100KPH to 200KPH Comparison

1) Ferrari 488 - 5.0 sec
2) Lambo 6.1 sec
3) Hellcat - 6.2 sec
4) Ferrari F12 - 6.4 sec
5) Porsche - 6.8 sec
 

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I'm finding the 214mph a little hard to believe for the cat. I'm not calling BS on it but if this is a stock, as delivered from the factory car, I'm
perplexed???? Does anyone here have any thoughts on that 214 Top Speed?
Either big balls or a lie.... But my cat cant go 214.... But that problem would be me not car....
 

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That Nardo Ring has some interesting physics. Go read about it. They can run flat out, and it has big time banking. No matter, it is relative, they all were tested at the same facility. I imagine the Porsche ran out of gears and hence maxed out. I am too lazy to go look at gear ratios, maybe someone can do that. I wonder what gear they used for the max spoed in the hellcat? If it is physically easier to make the car go faster because of the properties of the ring, they may have been able to shift to 7th gear? That would get a going faster. What do ya think?
 

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I've done a little homework. I looked at these numbers. They are awesome. 214mph given enough road I reckon is possible.
This guy in the UK I reckon on 20 seconds 200kmh to 300kmh
12 seconds for 125 to 186mph with the aerodynamics of a flying brick as much as it pains me I just do not see it against those much more aerodynamic supercars.
 

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That Nardo Ring has some interesting physics. Go read about it. They can run flat out, and it has big time banking. No matter, it is relative, they all were tested at the same facility. I imagine the Porsche ran out of gears and hence maxed out. I am too lazy to go look at gear ratios, maybe someone can do that. I wonder what gear they used for the max spoed in the hellcat? If it is physically easier to make the car go faster because of the properties of the ring, they may have been able to shift to 7th gear? That would get a going faster. What do ya think?
F12 gear ratios (Tdf - 6% shorter final drive) Ferrari F12berlinetta

Aventador gear ratios (SV's are the same) aventador sv gear ratios - Google Search Use the desktop version of Google and use the archive version of the second result if you don't feel comfortable downloading anything.

F488 gear ratios http://www.automobile-catalog.com/make/ferrari/488/488_coupe/2015.html Click on Detailed specs & details for gear ratios, etc

911TS gear ratios Technical Specifications 911 Turbo 911 Turbo S

Hellcat auto gear ratios http://media.fcanorthamerica.com/newsrelease.do;jsessionid=2F70287DC1828EBF7F442BE5D1B86830?&id=15663&mid=309

Can anybody explain what happened with the 911's numbers above 100km 0-200km in under 10 sec.... Its like it ran outa gas.... I guess the ratios are so close 1-4.... It toped out at 194... So 0-150 in 9 seconds then another 20 seconds to go another 40 mph.... Something is weird....and i think 0-80 mph in 2.7 is brak your neck fast... Knock u out when your head hit the head rest fast.... How is that even possible... I dont think i believe it... I wanna see video:))
0-62.14 mph (0-100 km/h) in 2.7 seconds. 0-124.27 mph (0-200 km/h) in 9.5 seconds.
 

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My friend, who lives in West Italy, showed me (in a personal email) how the Dodge Challenger Hellcat (and the exotics) performed in Quattroroute's recent issue. After 200 km/h the Hellcat jumped by and beat a Ferrari F12 tdf and a Lamborghini Aventador Superveloce (LP750-4 SV).

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PERFORMANCE DATA AS SEEN IN ABOVE PICTURE

0-40 km/h
Ferrari F12 TdF: 1.3 sec
Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV: 1.1 sec
Ferrari 488 GTB: 1.2 sec
Porsche 911 Turbo S: 0.9 sec
Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat: 1.9 sec

0-60 km/h
Ferrari F12 TdF: 1.8 sec
Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV: 1.5 sec
Ferrari 488 GTB: 2.0 sec
Porsche 911 Turbo S: 1.4 sec
Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat: 3.0 sec

0-80 km/h
Ferrari F12 TdF: 2.5 sec
Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV: 2.1 sec
Ferrari 488 GTB: 3.2 sec
Porsche 911 Turbo S: 1.9 sec
Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat: 4.1 sec

0-100 km/h
Ferrari F12 TdF: 3.3 sec
Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV: 2.9 sec
Ferrari 488 GTB: 3.6 sec
Porsche 911 Turbo S: 2.7 sec
Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat: 4.7 sec

0-200 km/h
Ferrari F12 TdF: 9.7 sec
Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV: 9.0 sec
Ferrari 488 GTB: 8.6 sec
Porsche 911 Turbo S: 9.5 sec
Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat: 10.9 sec

0-300 km/h
Ferrari F12 TdF: 23.5 sec
Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV: 24.7 sec
Ferrari 488 GTB: 31.6 sec
Porsche 911 Turbo S: 29.9 sec
Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat: 22.9 sec

As you can see (from the numbers), the Hellcat had a pretty bad start probably due to rear-drive traction with the weight going into the front with seating for 5. Despite, it beats pretty much everything (except the three hybrid hypercars we know of) to 300 km/h.
WOW!
 

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The FCA Engineering staff had the last laugh looking over at the Lambo and Ferarri engineers with their sub $100k machine. Knowing Italians, being one myself, they will revisit this test again. Fun part is we know FCA can uncork more power cheap for the future tests.
 

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The FCA Engineering staff had the last laugh looking over at the Lambo and Ferarri engineers with their sub $100k machine. Knowing Italians, being one myself, they will revisit this test again. Fun part is we know FCA can uncork more power cheap for the future tests.
It just makes America great again! Hellcats should cost $150k+ and Vipers should go for over $350k+ but America has poor/economic issues compared to Europe for supercars. The SRT 392 is a real rival for the BMW M6, Porsche 911, etc, and the Hellcat rivals exotics (488/Huracan), and the Viper actually rivals GTs and hypercars (F12, Aston Vantage RS, Aventador, etc).
 

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The Hellcat also blows the Porsche 918 Spyder hypercar into waters by a mere 7/10ths from about 124 to more than 186 mph (200 - 300 km/h). Yep, in that same magazine.

100-200 km/h
Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat (8-spd auto): 6.2 s
Porsche 918 Spyder (Weissach Pkg): 4.6 s

200-300 km/h
Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat (8-spd auto): 12.0 s
Porsche 918 Spyder (Weissach Pkg): 12.7 s

It does do a 22.9 0-186, but as you can see, after sixth gear it gets slower like bad rubber, and then it only gets to 345 km/h.
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In beyond optimistic conditions (and in that magazine, at the Nardo Ring) these cars should be able to reach these speeds (0-100 divided by 0-200, and 0-200 divided by 0-300 km/h - all multiplied by 1,000):
Hellcat:
4.7s/10.9s * 1000 = 431.2 km/h (267.9 mph)
10.9s/22.9s * 1000 = 476.0 km/h (295.8 mph)

431.2+476.0 = 907.2
907.2 / 2 = 453.6 km/h (281.9 mph). Although I doubt it actually!

F12tdf:
3.3s/9.7s * 1000 = 340.2 km/h (211.4 mph)
9.7s/23.5s * 1000 = 412.8 km/h (256.5 mph)

Totaling to exactly 753 km/h, let's divide by 2. That is 376.5 km/h (233.9 mph).

LP750-4 SV:
2.9s/9.0s * 1000 = 322.2 km/h (200.2 mph)
9.0s/24.7s * 1000 = 364.4 km/h (226.4 mph)

322.2
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686.6 km/h
÷ 2
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343.3 km/h (213.3 mph). It's a little understating for a 750 hp Lambo though. I'd say it's more of a 350-355km/h car.

F488 GTB:
3.6s/8.6s * 1000 = 418.6 km/h (260.1 mph)
8.6s/31.6s * 1000 = 272.15 km/h (169.1 mph)

Summing them up, averaging them ..... 340.4 km/h (211.5 mph) real top speed. A little faster than the test suggests AND what Ferrari claims.

991 TS:
2.7s/9.5s * 1000 = 284.2 km/h (176.6 mph)
9.5s/29.9s * 1000 = 317.7 km/h (197.4 mph)

Actual (calculated) top speed 300.95 km/h (exactly 187 mph)

918 Spyder Weissach (though it was excluded from this comparo):
2.6s/7.2s * 1000 = 361.1 km/h (224.4 mph)
7.2s/19.9s * 1000 = 361.8 km/h (224.8 mph). Just this time the calculations are pretty, actually, very pretty balanced.

That's 361.45 km/h (224.6 mph). Over 20 km/h (> 10 mph) faster than what Porsche claims. But a very accurate result in my opinion.
 
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