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How hard is pinning the crank? Why didn’t dodge do that from the factory? I see it on YouTube videos but seems like you could f up the crank if you don’t know what your doing right?
How safe is this build?
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I guess you’ve never delt with a pressed in rocket stud that pulled out during use? Think of it this way, would you stud your main caps by having one end of the stud be just round and smooth, press that end into the block, put the caps on, then tq the nuts down and fell secure the bottom ends not going to get blown out on the first run? That’s the analogy of press in rocker studs to a nine keyed crank shaft with a 10 run belt on it driving a blower, STUPID!! (Not you, Dodge engineers)
Yep except, ALL auto engineers do this stupid shit!
The 1st part installed back in 2015 to start the T&T and R&D on my Charger Hellcat was the ATI %10 OD Pulley. The Crank was pinned for safety. "If you don't pin it, you will spin it! "
As the 1st Hellcat being Tuned and built for racing and since it was a learning process, it was highly important to me not to be breaking or blowing anything up.
As time went by Josh had more parts to be added the T&T and R&D process. We were at the track 3Xs a week and between my HC Charger and my Husbands @Top Cat 's Challenger <-------- he was pushing to get into the 9's with an ultimate goal of ET's 8.xx
I look at your Build as to have some Fassst Street fun, but I am not sure?
The thing that is good how ever your Hellcat is built and Tuned there are known packages of parts that should go together. An Experience and Knowledgeable Hellcat Tuner and Shop is a Must!
That is a lesson many learned a long time ago when they thought this great experienced Mustang Tuner was going to make their Hellcat Go Fast......ummmmm No they Blew up engines, Transmissions and Superchargers and so did many known Mopar Tuners too until they got the experience.
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There are many supporting parts too that go along with a build. For instance mine has different spark plugs And BTW you may want a Metco Motorsports Valve Cover Breather (2015+ 6.2L Supercharged HEMI Hellcat Vehicles) ( Unless you are in Cali, which have a lot of restrictions )
My husband bought one for each of our Hellcats and popped it right on at the track. They have been there in place since 2015
On this web link you will see many of the parts that were used on my HC as parts we continued to be added.
Whether you are buying parts from HHP or not go ahead and read their site. There is a plethora of parts and information that customers have been using.
Most all descriptions come directly from the part MFG and they may be a bit more info. But you can also ask questions on their site or call Sales @ 1-888-894-1115
As you see there are lot's of good member knowledge too!
Linda
As the 1st Hellcat being Tuned and built for racing and since it was a learning process, it was highly important to me not to be breaking or blowing anything up.
As time went by Josh had more parts to be added the T&T and R&D process. We were at the track 3Xs a week and between my HC Charger and my Husbands @Top Cat 's Challenger <-------- he was pushing to get into the 9's with an ultimate goal of ET's 8.xx
I look at your Build as to have some Fassst Street fun, but I am not sure?
The thing that is good how ever your Hellcat is built and Tuned there are known packages of parts that should go together. An Experience and Knowledgeable Hellcat Tuner and Shop is a Must!
That is a lesson many learned a long time ago when they thought this great experienced Mustang Tuner was going to make their Hellcat Go Fast......ummmmm No they Blew up engines, Transmissions and Superchargers and so did many known Mopar Tuners too until they got the experience.
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There are many supporting parts too that go along with a build. For instance mine has different spark plugs And BTW you may want a Metco Motorsports Valve Cover Breather (2015+ 6.2L Supercharged HEMI Hellcat Vehicles) ( Unless you are in Cali, which have a lot of restrictions )
My husband bought one for each of our Hellcats and popped it right on at the track. They have been there in place since 2015
On this web link you will see many of the parts that were used on my HC as parts we continued to be added.
Whether you are buying parts from HHP or not go ahead and read their site. There is a plethora of parts and information that customers have been using.
Most all descriptions come directly from the part MFG and they may be a bit more info. But you can also ask questions on their site or call Sales @ 1-888-894-1115
As you see there are lot's of good member knowledge too!
Linda
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Great write up, thanks for this and the tipsThe 1st part installed back in 2015 to start the T&T and R&D on my Charger Hellcat was the ATI %10 OD Pulley. The Crank was pinned for safety. "If you don't pin it, you will spin it! "
As the 1st Hellcat being Tuned and built for racing and since it was a learning process, it was highly important to me not to be breaking or blowing anything up.
As time went by Josh had more parts to be added the T&T and R&D process. We were at the track 3Xs a week and between my HC Charger and my Husbands @Top Cat 's Challenger <-------- he was pushing to get into the 9's with an ultimate goal of ET's 8.xx
I look at your Build as to have some Fassst Street fun, but I am not sure?
The thing that is good how ever your Hellcat is built and Tuned there are known packages of parts that should go together. An Experience and Knowledgeable Hellcat Tuner and Shop is a Must!
That is a lesson many learned a long time ago when they thought this great experienced Mustang Tuner was going to make their Hellcat Go Fast......ummmmm No they Blew up engines, Transmissions and Superchargers and so did many known Mopar Tuners too until they got the experience.
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There are many supporting parts too that go along with a build. For instance mine has different spark plugs And BTW you may want a Metco Motorsports Valve Cover Breather (2015+ 6.2L Supercharged HEMI Hellcat Vehicles) ( Unless you are in Cali, which have a lot of restrictions )
My husband bought one for each of our Hellcats and popped it right on at the track. They have been there in place since 2015
On this web link you will see many of the parts that were used on my HC as parts we continued to be added.
Whether you are buying parts from HHP or not go ahead and read their site. There is a plethora of parts and information that customers have been using.
Most all descriptions come directly from the part MFG and they may be a bit more info. But you can also ask questions on their site or call Sales @ 1-888-894-1115
As you see there are lot's of good member knowledge too!
Linda
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Appreciate you explaining. Do we think there was any logic to why they didn’t?
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Cost possibly but then there was that supposed Diamond encrusted washer that was supposedly between the damper and crank shoulder to keep it from slipping. How expensive would that be verse a key? I guess it was too expensive as well as when I tore my engine down there was no washer what so ever let alone a Diamond encrusted one lol.
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Linda is giving some solid advice here. Getting support from someone like HHP or in my case Petty's Garage is a must.The 1st part installed back in 2015 to start the T&T and R&D on my Charger Hellcat was the ATI %10 OD Pulley. The Crank was pinned for safety. "If you don't pin it, you will spin it! "
As the 1st Hellcat being Tuned and built for racing and since it was a learning process, it was highly important to me not to be breaking or blowing anything up.
As time went by Josh had more parts to be added the T&T and R&D process. We were at the track 3Xs a week and between my HC Charger and my Husbands @Top Cat 's Challenger <-------- he was pushing to get into the 9's with an ultimate goal of ET's 8.xx
I look at your Build as to have some Fassst Street fun, but I am not sure?
The thing that is good how ever your Hellcat is built and Tuned there are known packages of parts that should go together. An Experience and Knowledgeable Hellcat Tuner and Shop is a Must!
That is a lesson many learned a long time ago when they thought this great experienced Mustang Tuner was going to make their Hellcat Go Fast......ummmmm No they Blew up engines, Transmissions and Superchargers and so did many known Mopar Tuners too until they got the experience.
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There are many supporting parts too that go along with a build. For instance mine has different spark plugs And BTW you may want a Metco Motorsports Valve Cover Breather (2015+ 6.2L Supercharged HEMI Hellcat Vehicles) ( Unless you are in Cali, which have a lot of restrictions )
My husband bought one for each of our Hellcats and popped it right on at the track. They have been there in place since 2015
On this web link you will see many of the parts that were used on my HC as parts we continued to be added.
Whether you are buying parts from HHP or not go ahead and read their site. There is a plethora of parts and information that customers have been using.
Most all descriptions come directly from the part MFG and they may be a bit more info. But you can also ask questions on their site or call Sales @ 1-888-894-1115
As you see there are lot's of good member knowledge too!
Linda
Thank you for the kind words @WVHEMIS
@1fly_redeye I believe you are doing your homework and trying to find out exactly how everything works and that is exactly what anyone should be doing.
I just want to note in this thread a couple of things.
1. The supply chain has effected certain parts. You want to be sure that all of your parts are gathered or available for the package plan.
A. There are shops that will lure you in and while waiting for parts they will start selling you the next "Best Thing" and as you pour money into their pockets your Hellcat sits for parts and a
"domino effect" can happen. My advice is never get into that trap......ever!
B. If you are going to be happy with the extra HP but you might want to go for more, than you want to do some things that will set up for help later.
2. Knowing that you have an experienced and knowledgeable Shop/Tuner for Hellcats is to ask them questions too........and you never want them to say to you.....I have a Mustang racing into the 8's
Ford wants you race their mustangs and they are easier all around. You want to know how many Hellcats have they worked on and what are the ET's. You want to know who they are so you can
check them out.
A. You must know that you are NOT the R&D guy, unless you agreed to do that. ( My husband Loved R&D, even in his own business. He paid for our parts and knew there might be a chance of
something blowing up, which did not happen! ) Many did not know and Blown Engines and Burnt Trans
B. Just because a shop has a package to off doesn't mean they actually have done the Install and Tune. The Top Shop/Tuners will post up packages......they do get copied!
Over the past 12 years of being part of the Modern Hemi Modifying and racing, I have seen a lot of scamming. I can truly tell you that my husband when he was posting on here it was to help STOP that. He was posting up the information from the T&T and R&D what parts and what was happening. The Best thing is that while Josh and John were pioneering the way it, created good competition and now there are many quality parts, ways to Build and Tune a Hellcat. This was my husband Ultimate Goal for parts. Prior to the Hellcats the Trans, Engine guys....and others, there was so much lying and the scamming was atrocious. There were also shops who were good to some customers and others never even got to race their cars!
3. This is also important, remember if it's too good to sound True well then get a second opinion. Paperwork Marketing Example
There is Trans seller guy who said he had a 1500 HP Nag 1 he was selling. And you know what else he did. He told everyone that his Shop Jeep was running it!
I watched that Jeep and found out that the Nag1 was rebuilt after every time it raced! And the Paramount Jeep owner said his Jeep had the "secret sauce" <---You Never want to hear that either!
Rebuilds! Secrets only benefit the person making the money. Then I saw it during a T&T with a brand new engine and it couldn't get down the track and it also hurt the engine. The Following week that Paramount Jeep beat another Fast Jeep running a built Paramount Nag1.
But it is a FACT that he stole our borrowed Rossler Transmission had it installed into his jeep and basically said "Nobody can see inside a Reid Case" and he took the money bet for the win. He wanted us to play along never admitted he stole it, No Effing Way would we do that!. And my quote "The Truth is Told at the Track! "
4. Last thing when dealing with a Speed Shop/Tuner think it's a business! The Good ones are busy, but they should be organized. When I quote HHP for an install my quote turns into my invoice. Just like any other business! The only time it has changed because we added something. Note: There are exceptions. R&D work, of course could add parts along the way. That could happen when
installing something new and then a supporting part is needed. So if you are offered a package deal then have a Quote for the entire build. Packages are usually know builds and Tuning so it shouldn't
be hard to do.
I think that many Hellcat owners are pretty smart people and you know how to do business. Sometimes we think we need to treat someone special because you are afraid something may not get done right. You are the one with the $$$$ and the customer! It should be done right!
Linda
@1fly_redeye I believe you are doing your homework and trying to find out exactly how everything works and that is exactly what anyone should be doing.
I just want to note in this thread a couple of things.
1. The supply chain has effected certain parts. You want to be sure that all of your parts are gathered or available for the package plan.
A. There are shops that will lure you in and while waiting for parts they will start selling you the next "Best Thing" and as you pour money into their pockets your Hellcat sits for parts and a
"domino effect" can happen. My advice is never get into that trap......ever!
B. If you are going to be happy with the extra HP but you might want to go for more, than you want to do some things that will set up for help later.
2. Knowing that you have an experienced and knowledgeable Shop/Tuner for Hellcats is to ask them questions too........and you never want them to say to you.....I have a Mustang racing into the 8's
Ford wants you race their mustangs and they are easier all around. You want to know how many Hellcats have they worked on and what are the ET's. You want to know who they are so you can
check them out.
A. You must know that you are NOT the R&D guy, unless you agreed to do that. ( My husband Loved R&D, even in his own business. He paid for our parts and knew there might be a chance of
something blowing up, which did not happen! ) Many did not know and Blown Engines and Burnt Trans
B. Just because a shop has a package to off doesn't mean they actually have done the Install and Tune. The Top Shop/Tuners will post up packages......they do get copied!
Over the past 12 years of being part of the Modern Hemi Modifying and racing, I have seen a lot of scamming. I can truly tell you that my husband when he was posting on here it was to help STOP that. He was posting up the information from the T&T and R&D what parts and what was happening. The Best thing is that while Josh and John were pioneering the way it, created good competition and now there are many quality parts, ways to Build and Tune a Hellcat. This was my husband Ultimate Goal for parts. Prior to the Hellcats the Trans, Engine guys....and others, there was so much lying and the scamming was atrocious. There were also shops who were good to some customers and others never even got to race their cars!
3. This is also important, remember if it's too good to sound True well then get a second opinion. Paperwork Marketing Example
There is Trans seller guy who said he had a 1500 HP Nag 1 he was selling. And you know what else he did. He told everyone that his Shop Jeep was running it!
I watched that Jeep and found out that the Nag1 was rebuilt after every time it raced! And the Paramount Jeep owner said his Jeep had the "secret sauce" <---You Never want to hear that either!
Rebuilds! Secrets only benefit the person making the money. Then I saw it during a T&T with a brand new engine and it couldn't get down the track and it also hurt the engine. The Following week that Paramount Jeep beat another Fast Jeep running a built Paramount Nag1.
But it is a FACT that he stole our borrowed Rossler Transmission had it installed into his jeep and basically said "Nobody can see inside a Reid Case" and he took the money bet for the win. He wanted us to play along never admitted he stole it, No Effing Way would we do that!. And my quote "The Truth is Told at the Track!
"4. Last thing when dealing with a Speed Shop/Tuner think it's a business! The Good ones are busy, but they should be organized. When I quote HHP for an install my quote turns into my invoice. Just like any other business! The only time it has changed because we added something. Note: There are exceptions. R&D work, of course could add parts along the way. That could happen when
installing something new and then a supporting part is needed. So if you are offered a package deal then have a Quote for the entire build. Packages are usually know builds and Tuning so it shouldn't
be hard to do.
I think that many Hellcat owners are pretty smart people and you know how to do business. Sometimes we think we need to treat someone special because you are afraid something may not get done right. You are the one with the $$$$ and the customer! It should be done right!
Linda
Funny how quickly “trans seller guy” got a lil more specific there
I hear this happens often in many a sewing circle lol
Love you Linda. I too find it hard not to get disturbed when dishonest stuff is going on around me. Racing is full of secrets and lies. Always has been. Especially in head up classes.
They are only secret til they ain’t : )
I hear this happens often in many a sewing circle lol
Love you Linda. I too find it hard not to get disturbed when dishonest stuff is going on around me. Racing is full of secrets and lies. Always has been. Especially in head up classes.
They are only secret til they ain’t : )
The Trans dealer and I know you know Bill
He is a theif !
His secret was to sell His PITA nag 1s with our Rossler parts inside unseen and based upon his Jeeps ET. But everyone else would just get the race and break parts to put money in his pocket.
That's a Fact and I have the saved PM he sent to my husband indicating this.
The borrowed Transmission was to be either replaced or refreshed. "That never happened "
If you can't see it with your owns eyes a theif can make up any story !
Thankfully the A8s can be built really good and we dont need "Builder Bill"
Sure a race may have a secret but he was secret scamming!
He is a theif !
His secret was to sell His PITA nag 1s with our Rossler parts inside unseen and based upon his Jeeps ET. But everyone else would just get the race and break parts to put money in his pocket.
That's a Fact and I have the saved PM he sent to my husband indicating this.
The borrowed Transmission was to be either replaced or refreshed. "That never happened "
If you can't see it with your owns eyes a theif can make up any story !
Thankfully the A8s can be built really good and we dont need "Builder Bill"
Sure a race may have a secret but he was secret scamming!
I hear ya. Having secrets is one thing. Ripping people off is something else. I sent him a core that was prolly worth over a grand at the time I sent it as they were not available. He did what I asked him to do to it in a timely manner. I friend n family him $1300 and he sent it back to me ready to run. His communication has been excellent thru the process so I have zero complaints. If dude wanted to rip me off it woulda been easy as I am had nothing in writing and am 2000 miles away
Just think how many people that didn't get ripped off and maybe because we didn't let it happen by not being part of the scam and telling the truth
There was also another guy that had Bills Trans installed. He was always bragging how great and better Builder Bills trans were on the forums. Then came the time when he was promised about the latest and greatest Trans was for racing 8s and blew those up and had it rebuilt.... $$$$s to Bill
TH400 FTW!
The guy posted "It's junk" everytime there was a post when someone wanted to buy one. Even somewhere in the thick layers of this forum he posted that here.
The thing is much has changed there are other Trans Vendors building Nag1s
Competition pushes for better parts.
For the A8s Suncoast is the Trans that was used for T&T and R&D by HHP Josh @HighHorseman and many of his customers who are racing 8s
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There was also another guy that had Bills Trans installed. He was always bragging how great and better Builder Bills trans were on the forums. Then came the time when he was promised about the latest and greatest Trans was for racing 8s and blew those up and had it rebuilt.... $$$$s to Bill
TH400 FTW!
The guy posted "It's junk" everytime there was a post when someone wanted to buy one. Even somewhere in the thick layers of this forum he posted that here.
The thing is much has changed there are other Trans Vendors building Nag1s
Competition pushes for better parts.
For the A8s Suncoast is the Trans that was used for T&T and R&D by HHP Josh @HighHorseman and many of his customers who are racing 8s
SunCoast 8HP90 Category 1 Transmission for 15-Current Demon, Challenger & Charger SRT Hellcat, RedEye & Widebody - SC-8HP90-CAT1
SunCoast 8HP90 Category 1 Transmission for 15-Current Demon, Challenger & Charger SRT Hellcat, RedEye & Widebody - SC-8HP90-CAT1
highhorseperformance.com
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