[nightrod]

I know there are thieves that cannot drive a manual so they resort to steal the autos. But legit question, are the manual HC targeted too?
I think the answer is yes, but not to the extent that the autos are.

I came from Jeep GC WK2 forums, thieves love to steel Jeep SRT in Chi town and Michigan.
I'm guess its all auto 392 cars/trucks and hellcat autos. Dodge doing a stellar job securing these cars.

 

[Himmelkat]

Cross-reference the demographics of a region with the theft rate. It will help you avoid regions with a similar demographic. Some places I don't let the car out of my sight, but I don't frequent areas dominated by criminal scum.

 

[vrwebster]

Owners without a garage.

 

[Xylander]

Owners without a garage.

Yep. YEP. YUP. I'll never understand the mentality of someone who buys an $80,000 car and decides to park it outside. That's asking for big trouble. The other thing that bends my head is when someone has a 2-car garage, a nice BMW or something like a Hellcat parked outside, and when they open the garage, it's full of crap like old paintings, workout equipment, laundry and junk. It's like... dude. The car is worth 1/3 of the value of your house and you PARK IT OUTSIDE?

(Home prices here are fairly low. A $300k house in a nice area is about 2500-3k sq.ft.).

 

[Linda's Hell Cat]

I see a lot of Hellcats stolen is Atlanta and Georgia, and then everywhere else. Last year one was stolen in Texas right at a Mopar event at the track.Oh then there are those ones that get stolen right off the dealerships lot. The last one I remember about that was quite a few from a California Dealership.

One of these would be a good choice for some protection.

Amazon.com : Key signal protecter

Linda

 

[Andy2112]

I see a lot of Hellcats stolen is Atlanta and Georgia, and then everywhere else. Last year one was stolen in Texas right at a Mopar event at the track.Oh then there are those ones that get stolen right off the dealerships lot. The last one I remember about that was quite a few from a California Dealership.

One of these would be a good choice for some protection.

Amazon.com : Key signal protecter

Linda

I have one of those Faraday bags for my key fobs and they are awesome. You can get in the car with the fob in the bag and it will not be detected. If I take the Challenger out I always put the fob in the bag as soon as I park the car.
I would recommend one.

 

[baabootoo]

Don't they steal them w/o the key though? What does the Faraday bag do then?

 

[S8ER01Z]

Don't they steal them w/o the key though? What does the Faraday bag do then?

A number of them appear be stolen using a signal repeater device of some kind. Someone walks up outside holding the device which scans for the FOB signal. If they can catch the signal then the car thinks the FOB is present and they are able to just unlock and start the car as if they have the FOB. I was blown away seeing it work on videos and bought faraday bags that same day on Amazon.

 

[Rockster]

I know there are thieves that cannot drive a manual so they resort to steal the autos. But legit question, are the manual HC targeted too?
I think the answer is yes, but not to the extent that the autos are.

I came from Jeep GC WK2 forums, thieves love to steel Jeep SRT in Chi town and Michigan.
I'm guess its all auto 392 cars/trucks and hellcat autos. Dodge doing a stellar job securing these cars.

Any car is at risk of being stolen. I would not rely upon the fact a car is equipped with a manual transmission to keep the car safe.

A car can be lifted up by its rear wheels and hauled away in about the time it takes to read this sentence. The tow truck doesn't care if the car is equipped with a manual or automatic transmission.

 

[Himmelkat]

I have one of those Faraday bags for my key fobs and they are awesome. You can get in the car with the fob in the bag and it will not be detected. If I take the Challenger out I always put the fob in the bag as soon as I park the car.
I would recommend one.

If it is not detected, how did you get in the car?

 

[Xylander]

If it is not detected, how did you get in the car?

My guess is open the door. I don't lock my car inside my garage either.

 

[Himmelkat]

Anyway, how would one OPEN a lock in the first place, if one's key fob was truly undetectable? Do you use the physical key or do you take the fob out of the pouch? Using the physical key would be the most secure, IF the key were separate from the fob.

My point was that if the car will open upon you pressing the handle stud from the outside, then your fob had to be detectable, and that would be a cause for concern.

Further, if one were to get a dummy key set up for a junkyard Hellcat, and click it every time you approach the car, one could "fool" sniffers in the area into thinking they had the correct code for one's key, while one uses the physical key to do the actual chores. Can one activate the alarm using the physical key? That would be the most secure.

 

[Xylander]

Dunno? Does our physical keys come microchipped? If so, then I assume they could defeat the security. I'm guessing they're not, as the key itself is very small.

 

[Andy2112]

If it is not detected, how did you get in the car?

My car is in my garage.
I do not lock my car in my garage.

 

[Himmelkat]

I understand you claim to keep your car in what your claim is your garage. That is not the issue. Please never reiterate that again, EVER.

How do you get in your car, when it is locked, if the car cannot detect your key?
Do you take the key out of the container?
Do you use a physical key?

Do you at any time take the key out of the container, when dealing with your car?

Answer the essence of the question: if the car cannot detect the key in any way, then how would you get in if the car IS locked? You just never lock the car in public, EVER?

That is the point. If the container is one hundred percent effective, then how would one get in and out of a locked car?

 

[Andy2112]

I understand you claim to keep your car in what your claim is your garage. That is not the issue. Please never reiterate that again, EVER.

How do you get in your car, when it is locked, if the car cannot detect your key?
Do you take the key out of the container?
Do you use a physical key?

Do you at any time take the key out of the container, when dealing with your car?

Answer the essence of the question: if the car cannot detect the key in any way, then how would you get in if the car IS locked? You just never lock the car in public, EVER?

That is the point. If the container is one hundred percent effective, then how would one get in and out of a locked car?

I always lock my car in public.
Once I lock it I place the fob in the bag.
When I want to get into my locked car I remove the fob from the bag and open the door.
Once I get home and park my car in the garage I claim to have. Then I cover said car and put it 6 feet in the air on a lift I have in the garage I claim to have.
Upon exiting and locking the garage I claim to have I place the fob in the pouch and lock it in my safe.
Do you understand now Himmelkat?

 

[Himmelkat]

Nice, the lift.
I was not the one who was having a failure to understand.

"Please never reiterate that again, EVER."

The point was that at no time is it possible to keep the key radio-transmission-covered when accessing or using the car, completely covered, that is.

So far, I have found no one who is able to do so. As an additional point, I wonder if it is possible to keep the thing covered ALL the time, and use some extremely-close-proximity-with-briefly-barely-opened bag to almost eliminate a sniffer's chances at finding that code. If the location of which actual antenna that picked up the signal were known, one could perhaps just put the key very close to it, and this is the main thing I was wondering, how we can make it more secure, thus the fact-finding mission. Could we just touch our key bag to our roof antenna bump?

If the key ONLY FOR THE DRIVING PART is communicating with something in the interior with which it is not communicating for ingress/egress, could one make the center console into a Faraday cage, mount the receiver in there, and just drop the key in the bag in the console/box and close it? The "touching close" proximity would activate the car, but a sniffer would have to be absolutely Foxbat-class to detect anything.

The MiG 25 was famous for just using overwhelmingly powerful radar-roasting signals from its massive forward antenna to, instead of jamming enemy radar, hopefully overwhelming it and just burning it out. It was one of the first PUBLICLY KNOWN (eventually) uses of a directed energy weapon.

 

[Andy2112]

MIG 25
Nice 😂
The bag works. End of story.
Use it...don't use it...I could care less.
You are way too smart for my dumb ass to debate with.

 

[SPORTDOG]

I see a lot of Hellcats stolen is Atlanta and Georgia, and then everywhere else. Last year one was stolen in Texas right at a Mopar event at the track.Oh then there are those ones that get stolen right off the dealerships lot. The last one I remember about that was quite a few from a California Dealership.

One of these would be a good choice for some protection.

Amazon.com : Key signal protecter

Linda

Tracker installed........ load gun ....... target practice !!

 

[Xylander]

Nice, the lift.
I was not the one who was having a failure to understand.

"Please never reiterate that again, EVER."

The point was that at no time is it possible to keep the key radio-transmission-covered when accessing or using the car, completely covered, that is.

I mean, TECHINCALLY, a person could use the UConnect app and use the OTA unlock from outer space if one REALLY wanted to live life without the key fob.