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Killed my HC - looking for advice - worst case scenario

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Hey everybody!

First post!

I wish I had a better post to start with, but unfortunately I don't. What I have is a dead HC, no warranty coverage and I have now been labeled a criminal mod-er by Dodge. Yes, I made the mistake of listening to my salesman and I am now paying the price. I can go into details on anything anyone cares to know more about but I will try and keep this first post short and to the point.

Here are the details on the car:

2018 Charger HC
Triple Black

Performance related Mods:

Toyo R888R DR’s
BWoody End Links
LMI
Catch Can
Metco Valve cover breather
Cat deletes
2.85 metco pulley/gates belt
Trinity 2 tuner tuned via email tune/data logging
93 octane tune/Race gas tune

Yes, I installed the End links, LMI, Catch can, Breather, Unlocked PCM, Pulley/belt and the trinity 2 tuner and emailed remote tunes.

I learned everything I know from the same research everyone here does and I actually had the time of my life installing these mods by myself and changing out tires several times for track days etc. This had been a life long dream to have a car this powerful, make it more powerful, race it and TRY and do the work myself. I guess that's where I made my mistake. You all can be the judge of that.

I tracked the car once before the mods and ran 11.4/124 which I believe is about what the car should run stock. I then ran it stock at a 1/2 mile event and made a modest 149.6 mph run which I thought wasn't that good. After the mods and tune, I tracked one more time and reduced my times to 10.8/132 which I was very happy about. I was scheduled to again attend a 1/2 mile event and the following occurred just a few days before the event.

The pulley and tuning had been on the car about two weeks when my life changed forever. While out and about, I hit the gas and ended up throwing a P0300 code (random piston misfire) and the engine began running rough. Later after getting home I could hear ticking coming from the engine. Nothing from the SC that I could detect that day. I knew this was bad as anyone would but for the life of me couldn't figure out why it happened.

The only additional piece of information for that day was that I had gotten a fresh oil change that morning. Don't know if that plays into any of this at all.

The only other time a code had ever been thrown was after the first emailed tune I received. It was a P0106 (MAP/Barometric pressure performance problem). The tuner stated that he may not have increased one of the values enough in the base tune he had sent me. He revised it and I installed the new tune and never saw that code again.

After that, I was happy with everything except that when I data-logged I couldn't record the 24 values the tuner was looking for and after much trial and error got 16 values he said he could work with. After receiving another revised tune, I data-logged again and sent those to him with a request for a 93 and separate race gas tune for track days. He sent a final revised tune and stated he had advanced the timing one degree. I asked if that was the 93 or race gas tune and he stated that it could be used for both. I was not sure if that was correct but I went with it since I know he is an experienced tuner.

I obtained some ms109 and ran about 2.5 gallons mixed in with about 5 gallons of 93 to see if there was any difference. I couldn't really detect anything. The day of the engine failure, I had about 2.5 ms109 mixed with about 10 gallons of 93. This was completely a testing and research period for me as I was intending to data log one of the runs. I never made it that far.

The car is not being warrantied due to the mods which I did not try to hide. I had listened to a dealer representative and thought I was completely covered. I was wrong. It also appears that the SC is now making a weird noise as well, sounds like bearings to me. I had taken it to a mechanic nearby just to hopefully help diagnose and after listening to the cylinders with a stethoscope, he noticed a weird sound coming from the SC when the car is shut off. I think the SC must have been damaged as well and is just now starting to show signs of it. I listened to it as well and could hear something I definitely don't like as the engine is turned off. I have videos of both I will try to attach to this post. BTW the mechanic noted that the rattle seems to be coming from the passenger side rear cylinder. He said all the other cylinders sound smooth.

That's my story. I contacted multiple mechanics and so far only one will even attempt to fix the car. Unfortunately he is about 6 weeks lead time before he could get started. I am searching for anyone in So Florida that could get me up and running sooner but it's not looking good. I will be contacting Gearhead Fabs as well, but they are 85 miles from me. I am open to all options though and plan to discuss this with them as soon as tomorrow.

Go easy on me guys, I can hear all the moans and groans already but my questions are:

1 - What happened, why did it fail
2 - Any recommendations on a shop down here that could handle this kind of work in house
3 - What would you be looking to do with your HC if this happened to you?

I don't know what my options are but I know they're all expensive, I've resigned myself to that reality.

Couple things, my baby's name is Bessie the HellBeast. I planned originally on keeping her forever. I mean that. Second, did I mention this was my daily driver? Yes, I'm currently ****ed.

Suggestions, constructive comments, questions, ALL WELCOME.

*I tried to attach video but it wouldn't let me. I will try again down below once I figure it out. Sorry. Added catch can to the list, forgot about that.
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if it was me I would disconnect the battery and and pay the 1000 bucks to ship it to one of the expert tuners from this site like, Barth
This doesn't sound right at all and also combined with your stock injectors you had to be on teh bleeding edge. You also mentioned he only had 16 of the 24 parameters he wanted. Can you post some logs or even the tune file? I'm sure someone here can tell you what went wrong.
The more I think about the entire scenario with my limited experience/knolwedge the more I believe this was destined to happen with the combination of events that day. Tune was installed day before, added timing, stated ok to use ms109, car had ran perfect prior to this day except for an early engine code that the tuner fixed, ran the car at highway speeds with a heavy foot, disaster strikes. There has to be a connection, but again i’m not one for making unsubstantiated accusations. Either way, it was my decision to do all of this, and this is a lesson learned about choosing tuners.

I believe I can attach the files, I will attempt to attach them to another post.
Here's a great article on how to change your plugs.

Here's a borescope available on Amazon. Yes, there are cheaper ones, but this one will actually fit in the spark plug hole (after my edit!). ;)
Thank you sir! Greatly appreciated as I think starting the diagnostic part of this process is all I can do right now. I seem to figure my way through most situations and so my life as an engine problem finder begins. I was advised by more than one mechanic to do what I could in the way of trying to determine at least where the problem exists if not even trying ti figure out what happened. If I begin that process I will take pics of everything and post. I have a record of everything I’ve ever done to this car in pics and video, ill post whatever if anyone seems interested. Thank you again.
I am not a tuning expert by any means but you can't have a single tune that works well with both pump and race gas. Unfortunately I think your tuner may be the weak link here.

As others have said start simple looking for the problem and hopefully it ends up being not as catastrophic as you think. Good luck and if it does end up needing more invasive repairs use a good builder with a good reputation that will stand behind their work rather than the shop that can get the car in the quickest, it will probably cost you less in the long run.

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The more I think about the entire scenario with my limited experience/knolwedge the more I believe this was destined to happen with the combination of events that day. Tune was installed day before, added timing, stated ok to use ms109, car had ran perfect prior to this day except for an early engine code that the tuner fixed, ran the car at highway speeds with a heavy foot, disaster strikes. There has to be a connection, but again i’m not one for making unsubstantiated accusations. Either way, it was my decision to do all of this, and this is a lesson learned about choosing tuners.

I believe I can attach the files, I will attempt to attach them to another post.
Here are the logs I sent before the last revision tune, I can't seem to upload the tune file, the extension isn't accepted any ideas how to upload that?

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I am not a tuning expert by any means but you can't have a single tune that works well with both pump and race gas...
Interesting thing on these dan1546 is that they can have two active fuel maps in the same tune, and can switch between them. Kinda unusual...I never ran into that on the GM LS motors or the Fords, but that's a thing here. Speedy has some good videos walking through the inners of the Hellcat tune if interested. Just search for them here on the forum.

Now, are they a good idea? Seems to work for plenty of folks, especially 93 octane / E85, BUT the tune won't magically make the injectors flow more fuel than they are physically capable of flowing...so ya gotta know what you're doing to make it work! You don't want to be your tuner's first Hellcat engine if at all possible. :confused:
3XBlackCHC - You can post the files to a Google Drive or Microsoft OneDrive account, and then use the link function (7th button in from the left on the tool bar) to point to them. Just be sure to set the sharing to what you want on Drive / OneDrive or it won't work. ;)
You mentioned your tuner had a past connection with Diablosport . If it's who I think it is ,this is not the first Hellcat he's blown up. I won't post the name but maybe the OP would as a service to others .
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3XBlackCHC -

Just wanted to chime in that, though the circumstances are unfortunate, your post is reasonable and well-written. Many similar posts that I've read have attempted to blame everyone but themselves for taking the risks to modify a daily-driver and reading your post is refreshing. The entire thread is great...aside from a couple of people with apparent cognitive issues, but still very informative.

Best of luck!
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3XBlackCHC - You can post the files to a Google Drive or Microsoft OneDrive account, and then use the link function (7th button in from the left on the tool bar) to point to them. Just be sure to set the sharing to what you want on Drive / OneDrive or it won't work. ;)
Thank you I will try that as soon as I get back to HQ
Listen guys it’s not always tuner, OP has been upfront about everything, including the part that the day after he got all his mods and tune he went testing and was heavy footed. He was driving that car hard, lots of things change when your wailing on the car pretty good. Could have got shitty pump gas at the station and was on the bleeding edge, add that and whacking the paddle shifts a bunch, high revving, launching, burnouts, lots of WOT pulls.

Not saying this is on the OP either, some things don’t add up on the tuners part as well.
3XBlackCHC -

Just wanted to chime in that, though the circumstances are unfortunate, your post is reasonable and well-written. Many similar posts that I've read have attempted to blame everyone but themselves for taking the risks to modify a daily-driver and reading your post is refreshing. The entire thread is great...aside from a couple of people with apparent cognitive issues, but still very informative.

Best of luck!
Thank you sir!
OK - Just took a quick rip through your log files with the Diabolosport reader (available here for anyone following along with the story so far). FAIR WARNING: I AM NOT A DIABOLOSPORT EXPERT but I have looked at my fair share of log files in other software. Take what follows with that big spoon full of salt please!

Problem #1 that I see is that there is NO AFR or Lamda measurement in any of the files, and nothing that looks like an aux O2 sensor either. That means whoever was tuning this was looking only at knock retard, injector pulse width, and MAP to do your tuning. That ain't good in my book. Sloppy at best, terminal at worst.

Problem #2 that I see is that it looks like your injector pulse width is maxing out in places. In the file 20475_01wot_0.log, it bounces off 100% at 0:16 into the file. In the file 20475_01wot2.log, it bounces off 100% at 0:12 into the file. In both files, there's substantial periods above 95% duty cycle, which is not best practice. In the file 20475_0160mph.log, the scales are reversed (maybe?) but it appears the injectors are again maxed out between 1:30 and 1:33.

So first blush - and please have someone with more Diabolosport experience than me chime in here because I could be wrong - the engine went lean because it ran out of injector flow rate. Add to that a heavy footed run to the track and some full WOT runs, and nothing good was destined to happen. :(

Worst case - per the original title of your post - there's a dead piston / burnt valve somewhere. BUT - best case, you chucked one or more plugs running lean and fixing that may bring it back around. It's work if that's the case, but not cubic dollars.

Either way if I'm right about reading these logs, you're going to want to get new plugs in there. If as you pull them all the electrodes are still in place, then sorry for wasting your time - but that's my first guess based on what I see here.

Good luck! - Keep posting as needed.
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What tuner setting up a Hellcat with Demon level boost doesn't at least recommend upgrading to a Demon injector?
The standard upgrade for gasoline at that boost level seem to be the ID1050's.
Removed the "distractions" from the thread, apologies to the OP
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Listen guys it’s not always tuner, OP has been upfront about everything, including the part that the day after he got all his mods and tune he went testing and was heavy footed. He was driving that car hard, lots of things change when your wailing on the car pretty good. Could have got shitty pump gas at the station and was on the bleeding edge, add that and whacking the paddle shifts a bunch, high revving, launching, burnouts, lots of WOT pulls.

Not saying this is on the OP either, some things don’t add up on the tuners part as well.
Very true and I didn’t start this thread to bash anyone, just simply as a way to help figure my way through this mess. If the tuner screwed me somehow it will eventually come out and I have ways of contacting him about it. It won’t do me any good and at that point if it’s the right time I will certainly post his information here as a beware warning so as to prevent another case such as mine.
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Sorry this happened OP. In defense of your choice to mod your daily driver, that mod combo is relatively tame compared to most so I don't fault you there. The red flags (learning opportunities) I see are what has already been mentioned....stock injectors and what is sounding like a sketchy tune/tuner. I would think you would at least need Demon injectors for that pulley but probably 1050cc injectors or something similar. Again, as has already been mentioned, the damage is done and we have all made mistakes and probably pushed things too far in one way or the other if you've been doing this long enough, so don't beat yourself up over it. You seem to have a good outlook on this. Good luck with your plan to move forward and remember that your next setup will be even better since you've had the opportunity to learn from this go-round.
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Removed the "distractions" from the thread, apologies to the OP
Thanks sir, the responders have actually been even more helpful than I anticipated and I am glad I brought my story here.
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Hoping for the best outcome for you.
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Sorry this happened OP. In defense of your choice to mod your daily driver, that mod combo is relatively tame compared to most so I don't fault you there. The red flags (learning opportunities) I see are what has already been mentioned....stock injectors and what is sounding like a sketchy tune/tuner. I would think you would at least need Demon injectors for that pulley but probably 1050cc injectors or something similar. Again, as has already been mentioned, the damage is done and we have all made mistakes and probably pushed things too far in one way or the other if you've been doing this long enough, so don't beat yourself up over it. You seem to have a good outlook on this. Good luck with your plan to move forward and remember that your next setup will be even better since you've had the opportunity to learn from this go-round.
After all of my research, I too believed that this was simply stage one to the mods and that the car could handle these mods in stock form otherwise. I don’t mean to be the guy that disproves anyone elses opinions because I also know from my research that this setup has been done successfully many times before I came along. I trusted all of that information and still do. I think something in particular to my situation is what went wrong and the biggest lesson here for anyone should obviously be, if you’re going to install mods yourself, take the car somewhere that can analyze what you did before you take it out ripping down the highway and have them tune it as well. In my opinion that would have made all the difference in the world. I am sure this will help any other newbies like me make the right decision moving forward, not everyone is cut out for doing what I did but those who are beware and learn from my flub.
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