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Similar situ here. I hit about 20 standing meet and greets and 2 shows late this summer and into fall (including OBI on Sunday morning 4 times). Saw about 25 hellcats, only 3 redeyes and 2 SS. I couldn't count the vettes if I tried. Over 100 C8's alone - easily.

And yes - many were decked out in matching vette attire overweight and bald. it is perplexing to be honest.

I wore a hellcat hat my kids got me a few times and t-shirt once. It felt odd.
Exactly. Don't get a vette is you want something "special". There are too many special people there to count!

Vette is a nice performing car, but it's not my style at all and it's clearly the midlife crisis car.

I bet you there are 10 times as many C8's out there than Red Eyes or SS's for sure. I actually haven't seen one red eye driving around here in a LONG time.
 

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Clearly the C8 is more popular and in higher demand, its understandable.
I'm not sure if the C8 is more popular or not, but GM has triple the production capacity for the C8 vs. the Hellcat models. Dodge makes 5-8k per year of the Hellcat and GM makes over 20k C8s every year. If Dodge could readily meet demand with higher production, I'm sure they could sell more.
 

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Exactly. Don't get a vette is you want something "special". There are too many special people there to count!

Vette is a nice performing car, but it's not my style at all and it's clearly the midlife crisis car.

I bet you there are 10 times as many C8's out there than Red Eyes or SS's for sure. I actually haven't seen one red eye driving around here in a LONG time.
I've never seen any widebody cars around me, Scatpacks nor Hellcats, period. Most of the Challengers and Chargers around me are typically the v6... an occasional RT if you're lucky. I will see a few Hellcats at shows, but they are typically '16/'17 Challengers.
 

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I'm not sure if the C8 is more popular or not, but GM has triple the production capacity for the C8 vs. the Hellcat models. Dodge makes 5-8k per year of the Hellcat and GM makes over 20k C8s every year. If Dodge could readily meet demand with higher production, I'm sure they could sell more.
I think Chevy wants to make 40k/yr
Thats what the C6 and C7 did. But maybe they like the not putting cash on the hood too.
 

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I'm not sure if the C8 is more popular or not, but GM has triple the production capacity for the C8 vs. the Hellcat models. Dodge makes 5-8k per year of the Hellcat and GM makes over 20k C8s every year. If Dodge could readily meet demand with higher production, I'm sure they could sell more.
Chevy still can't keep up with demand on the C8, its more popular without question at least for the last 3 years.
 

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Exactly. Don't get a vette is you want something "special". There are too many special people there to count!

Vette is a nice performing car, but it's not my style at all and it's clearly the midlife crisis car.

I bet you there are 10 times as many C8's out there than Red Eyes or SS's for sure. I actually haven't seen one red eye driving around here in a LONG time.
LOL, lots of Hellcat owners are mid-life crisis owners too. Let's face it, any desirable car can be a mid-life crisis car since the whole point is to buy something that you realize you might not get a chance to buy again and never could before. I'm just going to be honest, no matter how much Hellcat owners try to spin it, they just don't attract attention like the C8 does, some of it is because the C8 looks like an exotic, some of it is that the Hellcat has been around since 2015, its a bit long in the tooth for most people. Don't get me wrong, they're still selling quite well, but its typically the people that were late to the game to buy one. The vast majority of 2015-2017 owners have long sold their cars and moved on.
 

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I’d argue that it’s unfair to look at hellcats only for ‘rarity’. There were 80k Challengers made in 2019. 50k made in 2020. They are EVERYWHERE. The cherry picking of stats screams I want to be special look at me! Let’s face it. Sure a hellcat is much faster, but it’s essentially the same car as any other Challenger. Same applies to Chargers. Reminds me of a Corvette saying his car is a 1 of 3 in blue with an auto built on a rainy Tuesday by a guy named George.
Challenger/Charger sure is a nice car. But rare? C’mon now.
 

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I’d argue that it’s unfair to look at hellcats only for ‘rarity’. There were 80k Challengers made in 2019. 50k made in 2020. They are EVERYWHERE. The cherry picking of stats screams I want to be special look at me! Let’s face it. Sure a hellcat is much faster, but it’s essentially the same car as any other Challenger. Same applies to Chargers. Reminds me of a Corvette saying his car is a 1 of 3 in blue with an auto built on a rainy Tuesday by a guy named George.
Challenger/Charger sure is a nice car. But rare? C’mon now.
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I would expect nothing less from Blkout in his never ending trashing of Hellcats.
Do I know you, cupcake? You obviously have me mixed up with someone else. I think Hellcat's are great, I bought 3 of them.
 

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I've been reading your stuff for years on here.If you've ever said anything positive than I must have missed it. I often wonder why you even post on here anymore.
Then you missed a lot. Carry on.
 

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LOL, lots of Hellcat owners are mid-life crisis owners too. Let's face it, any desirable car can be a mid-life crisis car since the whole point is to buy something that you realize you might not get a chance to buy again and never could before. I'm just going to be honest, no matter how much Hellcat owners try to spin it, they just don't attract attention like the C8 does, some of it is because the C8 looks like an exotic, some of it is that the Hellcat has been around since 2015, its a bit long in the tooth for most people. Don't get me wrong, they're still selling quite well, but its typically the people that were late to the game to buy one. The vast majority of 2015-2017 owners have long sold their cars and moved on.
I don't mean this as an insult, but I'm going to call the "normal" non-car people "peasants." The peasants don't know the difference between a Redeye and an SXT, or if a C8 is a Chevy or a Ferrari. I've taken the C8 to a drive-thru and had half the kitchen staff came to the window and asked why a Ferrari is getting a cheeseburger.

Now, the C8 is popular with the peasants because a lot of them have no idea it's a Corvette. So long as they think it's a Ferrari, it's all good. Same with the Hellcat. If you put a godawful side Hellcat graphic on the car, the peasants will think you're cool too. That's because they like Hellcats, not because they know what one looks like, but because they've seen enough shenanigans on YT to understand that it's badass. They just see the midengine C8 as an exotic car that costs big money. In reality, they're not cheap, but mine was 15k cheaper than the Redeye (if it ever actually shows up). It's most definitely not an exotic. Mine is about as reliable as an Aston-Martin, that's about as exotic as it really is. It performs 9/10ths of a full exotic, which is nice, but it's not what 90% of people think it is.

Now, if Dodge had the production capacity to build double or triple the amount of Hellcats and Redeyes, they'd probably sell just as well as the C8 does. IMO, the C8 sells as it does because it looks like a Ferrari and because the Corvette has a diehard fandom the same way the Mustang has. The Corvette has been in production since 1953. The Hellcat has only been around since 2015. It's always going to have that diehard core support. This doesn't mean the Hellcat can't sell as well, but Dodge would have had to scale the production up... which at that volume, would have made them even less expensive. If the C8 were only a 5,000 - 8,000 unit car, the base MSRP would be a lot more expensive. I know the 2023 MY for the Hellcat is special, but they've practically sold all of them and it is only the 1st week of January. If they had enough to load up dealership lots, they'd sell those too.
 

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You sure do a lot of damage control for any negative posts about chevy.... just saying....

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Car went D1 as of 1/11/23.

I'll get excited when it actually enters production. The sad thing is, this couldn't be happening at a worst time. I normally like to buy into a good loan rate with a nice down payment, but I'm currently kinda tight on cash flow at the moment. Just got done with a huge home remodel (wife's garage, deck, landscaping, plumbing work and took down half a forest of trees in the yard). I was expecting this to actually move a lot slower. I'm hoping the car doesn't show up until March. If so, all's well, but if it shows up in mid February, I'm going to likely eat it hard on my trade and have not nearly enough for a decent down payment. Of course, I'll try to unload the car privately, but Jan/Feb is the WORST months to sell or trade a car.

Somehow I'll figure out how to get this deal done. All I need to do is find $15,000 under the couch or something.
 
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