Just saw this article tonight. Forgive me if it's already been posted... Dodge CEO Hints That Current Charger and Challenger Will Live Past 2024
Longer life for our Hellcat?
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My guess, they replace hellcats first with electric, as top performance variant. This will help the fleet average the most by replacing the biggest emissions offenders. Maybe this will buy more time for regular V8 and V6 with the EPA.
The math doesn't work that way. A Charger Hellcat has an EPA combined MPG of 15 while an SXT has 23. Say roughly 10% of Charger sales are Hellcats while 90% are SXT models. Getting the handful of Hellcats up from 15 to 40 or 50 isn't anywhere as impactful as getting the vast, vast number of SXT cars up from 23 to 40 or 50.
Also, all the cost of R&D and tooling work to create a completely new platform needs to be spread over many vehicles in order to not make a loss. They need to sell a lot of whatever the next generation is, to justify creating it in the first place.
I don't pretend to have a crystal ball, but replacing the low-volume cars first doesn't make sense from either a financial or results standpoint.
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If the platform goes beyond 2023 then the possibility exists that they will build over 1 million Challengers before production stops. Who would have seen that when in 2008 they thought the Challenger would run for 5 years and that was their benchmark for success.
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BTW, the CO2 hoax is just a tax grab. More CO2, green plants just grow faster and gobble it up. It doesn't cause climate change. It is just "one rule set for me, and another one for thee" in action. How many climate hoaxers fly coach or even 1st class, instead of taking their private jets?
If only there were some sort of machine that can measure the parts-per-million content of the atmosphere. Then there'd be proof for the tree-huggers that they're wrong... and that they're going to get bigger, faster trees. Despite record annual loss of forest cover.
Well, of course. Because it's absurd that any quantity of any substance that's already on the planet could change climate. I mean... like... what, you move your socks from the dirty pile into the washing machine and it's going to rain? Absurd.
Absolutely. Because physics cares about motivation, and it knows... if a climatologist burns a campfire, they're being a hypocrite, so it makes sure they don't get to be right.
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I will gloss over the other stuff such as the completely-maskless ensemble at any large event approved by Those In Power, while Shutting It Down on churches of six people, to point out that the "record loss of forest cover" is entirely due to logging/fires. It sure isn't due to any other factor. As a side not, every green thing on the land could die tomorrow, and we'd still live, because the oceans are where the vast majority of CO2 gets used and oxygen re-released.
Is there a lack of oxygen in the middle of greenland in the winter? Do people choke to death on CO2 in New York, or the center of Tokyo? The oceans are by far, the producers of breathable air, so shrieking and gibbering in fear, trembling in a corner, wettting oneself (always on camera) pointing a quavering finger at ICE's is just orchestrated and finance-backed theater.
You worship your gods of whatever that is falsely labeled as "science" and notice that said "science" is only enforced on countries where they can milk maximum profits, and mysteriously, not in China, for example.
CO2 is not harmful, and neither are our cars. As I have pointed out before, more harm is done by oxides of nitrogen, which the shipping industry produces the most of, by a gigantic multiplier, and they are strangely immune.
It's about money. The people with money and influence are currently profiting from the Climate Shriek, and the weak-minded are bowing down to them in worshipful obedience, parroting their every word with religious zeal.
Is there a lack of oxygen in the middle of greenland in the winter? Do people choke to death on CO2 in New York, or the center of Tokyo? The oceans are by far, the producers of breathable air, so shrieking and gibbering in fear, trembling in a corner, wettting oneself (always on camera) pointing a quavering finger at ICE's is just orchestrated and finance-backed theater.
You worship your gods of whatever that is falsely labeled as "science" and notice that said "science" is only enforced on countries where they can milk maximum profits, and mysteriously, not in China, for example.
CO2 is not harmful, and neither are our cars. As I have pointed out before, more harm is done by oxides of nitrogen, which the shipping industry produces the most of, by a gigantic multiplier, and they are strangely immune.
It's about money. The people with money and influence are currently profiting from the Climate Shriek, and the weak-minded are bowing down to them in worshipful obedience, parroting their every word with religious zeal.
That makes sense, thanks. Did not think that through lol. I have heard that Dodge is fined for the hellcats given smog ratings. Any truth to this? If so, given the pressure from the current administration and EPA, I just won’t be surprised to see them go first.
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The issue is that Dodge has been afoul of CAFE standards for a number of years. It isn't just the Hellcats, it's all of their V8s having no offset that's the issue. Ford has their 5.0s, but they also have hybrid and flex fuel high efficiency 4-bangers that offset the fleet rating for their V8s. Dodge doesn't have any offsets. Thus, they have been operating and producing cars and trucks via a loophole that allows them to purchase carbon credits from Tesla. Tesla has loads of credits to sell. FCA and Tesla had a 1.8 billion carbon tax credit trade deal through 2022.
In Europe, Stellantis no longer needs carbon tax offsets with the merger with Peugeot, which makes almost nothing but low polluting cars to offset vehicles in the Euro market. In the USA, this is still an issue as those cars are not sold here. The only real offset qualified vehicles they have are the few Fiats that get sold. This is why Stellantis is pushing hard to start importing and/or badge engineering the Peugeot lineup as quickly as possible. They have stated that they are no longer going to be transferring hundreds of millions every quarter to their Tesla competitor for carbon credits. So, look for a lot of mini Mopar cars coming soon.
The new arrivals won't come in time to save the ICE Hellcats, 392s and 5.7s though. It's rumored that by as early as 2023, production of some those vehicles will halt or be drastically scaled back as further increases in CAFE regulations take effect. By 2025 they won't be made at all.
The first of these badge engineered vehicles arrives in 2023 with the Dodge Hornet: A reskinned Alfa Romeo Tonale with a turbocharged inline 1.3L 4-cylinder engine.
All of these 3 and 4 bangers even with turbos are pure crap. Complete throw aways just to comply with emissions. Those Mini Coopers are total junk after a few miles (BMW roots - shocking). At this point I'm starting to WANT ev's.
Everyone needs to understand something in order for all of us to understand each other. We live in 2 worlds, the political one where the earth will cease to exist unless we yield to the undisputable settled science of climate change where the only solution is to follow every order of the elites who are not subject to their own rules.
Then there is the real world where everything is based on facts, logic and non-junk science. Unfortunately it takes effort to acquire the information (e.g. read), then actually think about it (even more difficult) then draw logical conclusions (completely out of the question).
Then there is the real world where everything is based on facts, logic and non-junk science. Unfortunately it takes effort to acquire the information (e.g. read), then actually think about it (even more difficult) then draw logical conclusions (completely out of the question).
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Bingo.
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