Both have given my quotes for my hellcat. Koons has 899 dealer fee mark doge is 444. However price difference with the same options is 700 more at mark dodge. Plus, mark dodge will not price protect the current 1k rebate from dodge for hellcat incentives. Koons advised they would honor the 1k rebate at time the order is placed, and if additional rebates they will apply those at time of delivery. Anybody have pos/ negative experiences with either dealer.. at the end of the day koons is 1700 cheaper with the rebate and price difference and only 200 miles further…. I just don’t want any hidden fees/ other surprising items when I pick up car (if it gets built)
Mark dodge in LA vs koons
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That’s why I said if it gets built…
I would go with Koons.
As far as the sales price goes koons is offering 6 below invoice and mark dodge is offering 5 below invoice (from what I hear)
So yes koons will be cheaper before you account for doc fee. The difference in doc fee is about $500.
Each percentage point below invoice is equivalent to $700-800, so in theory it should be a net difference of a few hundred dollars when you account for the doc fee.
You can lock in incentives at time of ordering through any dealer, just notify mark dodge that you want to lock in current incentives, it's an option box when an order is placed in their internal system.
I have heard positive and negative about koons, mark dodge from what I have seen is new to the massive discounts for ordering and I have heard nothing but good things about them.
Personal point, I'm not a fan of koons because of their shady back door deal with a broker called lease companion, I lease all my cars and was helping my buddy with ordering a car and leasing it, chapman wasn't offering the deal I got when I ordered so I went to koons and was extremely disappointed, as koons is forcing people to go through a broker who charges a fee and doesn't give the 6 below invoice either, so I ended up sending him to mark dodge, I believe he got it ordered in April.
If I were you I would go with whoever works out to be the best deal for you, but it's not a $1700 difference like you think it is, it's more like a few hundred bucks and the question of protection on the $1000 incentive.
yeah it’s 700 difference between the two dealers after adding the dealer fees.. like you said if mark won’t lock in the rebate of 1k then saving 1700 and driving another 200 miles is a no brainer to me just have never done business with koons
Can't speak to everyone else's experience, but mine with Koons was fine. Ordered back in November 2021. Took delivery in March 2022. Of all the vehicles I've ever bought, it was the quickest sign and drive process I've ever had with any dealer! There were no surprises. They told me everything to fill out or bring before taking delivery. The whole process was about 1 hour and 15 minutes. 45 of which were spent with the finance manager who tried to sell me every package they could offer me which I respectfully declined. They are a large volume dealer that sells alot of vehicles at or below invoice, so I'm guessing the doc fee is their way of making back some of what they miss out on by selling below invoice.
Thanks for the reply man I appreciate the help!
I had the same experience with my special-order Redeye. Sent in my options list, received my quote and submitted my order and was still in the $6k rebate window. Ordered my 2021 in Oct or 2020 and picked it up on Jan 2021 still with the $6k rebate and the quoted price.
I think most of the bad stories with Koon's revolves around people that buy off the lot.
That or misconceptions, the koons doing 30k adm on jailbreaks was very frustrating for people who were wanting to order one, only later did it come out that it was allocation based.
I will say forcing you to go through a broker is extremely shady in my opinion. You would figure the dealer would want to cut out the middle man, but there are definitely kickbacks going both ways.
I'm not sure where you are getting the $700 difference to be honest, there might be some unaccounted for fees at mark dodge I guess. (I get the $1000 but it should be a box that mark dodge should check to protect your incentives)
If we are getting to the nitty gritty you might want to account for fuel/shipping as well. Assuming you drive you are not accounting for an extra 600 miles if koons is 200 miles farther (200+200 for the vehicle you are taking there and an additional 200 for the hellcat you are bringing back) the fuel charge on that could very well be a couple of hundred on that alone. If flying then It's only an extra 200 miles. If shipping it depends on the route, patterns, etc etc and could be $100-400 difference.
But going back to hypothetical numbers
Let's say 75k is invoice
Koons - 70,500 + 899 = 71,400
Mark dodge - 71,250 + 450 = 71,700
Net - $300
So in Louisiana they must have some other fees that are offsetting that difference.
I think your real stopping point is the $1000 incentive and locking that in, just ask mark dodge about locking in that incentive and see what they say, if they don't budge go to koons, if mark dodge says ok then you gotta figure out whether Saving a few hundred bucks is worth driving an extra 200 miles.
Mark doesn’t do percentages like koons, which is 6%.. it was under 5% plus the dealer fee..came out to just under 700 in difference for the same build.. but you bring up great points.. I’d be flying to koons or mark, just driving back.. I just want an easy process and no hidden surprises… but I think the deal breaker is if they continue to say they can’t lock in the rebate… dodge just raised prices across the board within the last 7 days… it hasn’t shown up on the website but it is on the invoices from both dealers and both have said my build is now 1k higher as opposed to last week.. so If they can’t honor the rebate of 1k then it’s really going to be a deal breaker because it would net out to 2k more for the same car.. the rebate now is netted out due to the increase in recent price
Yup, which is why I tried to quantify it as apples to apples. Their pricing should work out to something like 8.85% off msrp which is roughly 5% below invoice on the chargers/challengers
I'm guessing because they are the new kids on the block in terms of these discounts they haven't had the experience that some of these other dealers like koons, dc, chapman, etc etc have so maybe they are leary of promising you that rebate and thinking they are out of pocket 1k at delivery if there's no rebate..... but there is a way to lock in incentives.
Welcome to the new world, my build was about 80k in December and at delivery the window sticker said 84k.
Easy enough, should be an enjoyable ride back from wherever you go.
As long as it’s price protected you didn’t have to pay 84 correct? What I sign on the order is the price I will pay even if dodge raises the prices between the order and delivery correct ?
My sale price was based on the original msrp I ordered at.
But when stellantis does increase invoice prices just have an understanding on paper that your sale price is based off the original msrp (koons knows about this, double check with mark dodge)
The car is not invoiced by stellantis until it is built, so you could order today and your sticker at delivery could be above your original msrp.
How big a dealership is Mark Dodge? Don’t think for a minute the amount of cars a dealer moves for Dodge doesn’t carry any weight with which orders get filled and which don’t. Koons moves a shit ton of cars. Dodge loves that dealership and will do everything they can to make sure their order gets fulfilled. That by itself would point me in that direction but I don’t know much about Mark Dodge.
Maybe I misunderstood when I was e-mailing Koons about my build, but I thought if you were getting 6% under invoice, you could NOT use the factory discount. They offered $1k off if you financed through Dodge. Seemed kind of weird to me since the factory discounts don 't come from the dealer, but I'm fairly certain that's the way it was presented.
I ordered my Redeye from Mark Dodge and I also asked about locking in the rebate. They would not. I'm still unsure why dealers won't do this as it does not hurt them in any way.
Car has been built since 4/1. Still waiting.
I ordered my Redeye from Mark Dodge and I also asked about locking in the rebate. They would not. I'm still unsure why dealers won't do this as it does not hurt them in any way.
Car has been built since 4/1. Still waiting.
If that’s the case take the 1,000 discount and refinance …
I ordered my SS from Craig at Koons and overall, they were very stand up and and the process was easy.
I recommend.
- $1000 deposit over the phone to order
- Quoted price never changed from order date to pick up
- Trade in offer never changed
- All requests honored prior to pick up
- Pick up took literally 2 hours from start to finish
I recommend.
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