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This is my first post on here. I bought a 2017 HC last month with 10,581 miles on it. I wanted to point out that dealerships don't always know what they're doing. Not that I expect them to always be perfect but I thought they would be better than the quick lube places. Read on for the details...

I decided to look under my car for the first time last week and noticed that the oil filter seemed to look really small for an engine with this much displacement and oil capacity. I noticed the oil filter was AC Delco part PF48E. I asked the dealership for their service record and also found out that GM oil 19353135 was used. As you can tell at this point, I did buy my Hellcat from a GM dealership.

I changed my oil & filter yesterday using Mopar filter 04884899AC and 7 quarts of Mobil 1 0w-40 full synthetic (European) oil. I attached a few pictures showing the difference in the filters.

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Good afternoon everyone,

This is my first post on here. I bought a 2017 HC last month with 10,581 miles on it. I wanted to point out that dealerships don't always know what they're doing. Not that I expect them to always be perfect but I thought they would be better than the quick lube places. Read on for the details...

I decided to look under my car for the first time last week and noticed that the oil filter seemed to look really small for an engine with this much displacement and oil capacity. I noticed the oil filter was AC Delco part PF48E. I asked the dealership for their service record and also found out that GM oil 19353135 was used. As you can tell at this point, I did buy my Hellcat from a GM dealership.

I changed my oil & filter yesterday using Mopar filter 04884899AC and 7 quarts of Mobil 1 0w-40 full synthetic (European) oil. I attached a few pictures showing the difference in the filters.

Dean


Welcome aboard!

Good job getting that tiny filter off of there! You're aware of the Oil-cooler drain?
 

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Good afternoon everyone,

This is my first post on here. I bought a 2017 HC last month with 10,581 miles on it. I wanted to point out that dealerships don't always know what they're doing. Not that I expect them to always be perfect but I thought they would be better than the quick lube places. Read on for the details...

I decided to look under my car for the first time last week and noticed that the oil filter seemed to look really small for an engine with this much displacement and oil capacity. I noticed the oil filter was AC Delco part PF48E. I asked the dealership for their service record and also found out that GM oil 19353135 was used. As you can tell at this point, I did buy my Hellcat from a GM dealership.

I changed my oil & filter yesterday using Mopar filter 04884899AC and 7 quarts of Mobil 1 0w-40 full synthetic (European) oil. I attached a few pictures showing the difference in the filters.

Dean
The little filter must have cross checked to the 339 filter which is used on 5.7L HEMI, something the GM dealer obviously didn't know.
The stock Hellcat filter was the 899.


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This is my first post on here. I wanted to point out that dealerships don't always know what they're doing.
The first part of that explains the second part. Thanks for the heads up but that ship has sailed...
 

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You're aware of the Oil-cooler drain?
Thank you for the reminder. Yes, I did some research on here about changing the oil. I decided to do a complete drain of the pan and oil filter change without draining the oil cooler. I realize that some residual old oil will be mixing with the new oil but there is a lot of that happening with the numerous oil "puddles" in the heads and elsewhere. I checked the oil level and it was to the top ring of the dipstick after adding 7 quarts, running the engine for a few minutes then checking the oil level after about 15 minutes. The oil will be changed often enough (4,000-5,000 miles or 6 months) so I'm not worried about it. It's not a daily driver and will be in my climate controlled garage most of the time.
 

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The first part of that explains the second part. Thanks for the heads up but that ship has sailed...
I know but I can't imagine someone taking off an old filter, looking at a completely different sized new filter and not realizing that there might be a problem with the new part. The previous oil change was done at a Dodge dealer so I'm assuming it had the correct Mopar filter was on it before the GM dealer worked on it.
 

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The little filter must have cross checked to the 339 filter which is used on 5.7L HEMI, something the GM dealer obviously didn't know.
The stock Hellcat filter was the 899.
That was my thought. That little filter is for a Challenger RT, not SRT. I'll be doing my own maintenance going forward and keeping it documented in case I have any warranty claims.
 

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That little filter is an abortion, glad you got it out of there. That euro Mobil oil is not correct for our engines. The only oil that meets the Hellcat Spec is the Pennzoil SRT 0w-40. You will get violent arguments here over this and there are a ton of threads but fact is only one meets the spec. Most Chrysler dealers sell it.
 

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I got a reply back from the GM dealer that serviced it before I bought it. My original email is below his response:

Response from salesman at GM dealer: "I double checked with our parts department and the parts manager on the oil filter and oil. The ACDelco specs (which we use exclusively) did list a PF1250 oil filter that was the fat one but that filter was superseded by the smaller one PF48 and it also called for 0-40 oil which was put in it. So from our end the oil change was done according to the specs we have. Of course if you preferred the other one and went to the expense to change it we would term that as a personal preference over the smaller one which would have worked as well."

My original email to salesman: "I would like to point out that the incorrect oil filter was used and also the oil used doesn’t appear to have the correct specification called out by Dodge. The oil filter wasn’t even close to being the correct size (pictures attached). Would it be possible to be reimbursed for the oil service I just had done to get this corrected? After doing some research, it appears that the oil filter used is designed for a Challenger R/T, not SRT Hellcat. Your parts department and/or service technician needs to pay a lot more attention to what they are working on."
 

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Dealer is still looking at the 5.7L engine.

Up thru 2014 the same MO-899 filter was used on the 5.7L as the 6.4L then in 2015 the 5.7L began to use the MO-339 while the 6.4L and new Hellcat stayed with the MO-899, so this is the supercession he is talking about but there has been no supercesssion regarding the 6.4L or 6.2L engines, they have been and still are the MO-899 from day one.



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So the previous owner(s) took a Dodge Hellcat to a GM dealer for an oil change?
My favorite Mini dealer -- where I have my JCW serviced -- sent me an email letting me know it also is ready/willing and able to service other cars. Toying with the idea of rolling in my Hellcat -- with of course the necessary/correct oil and filter in the trunk -- and letting a Mini tech service my Hellcat. At least at Mini the cars are hand washed after service. At the Dodge dealer the tech spits on the windshield and turns on the wipers.
 

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So the previous owner(s) took a Dodge Hellcat to a GM dealer for an oil change?
No. The original owner of the Dodge Hellcat traded the car into a GM dealership which in turn sold it to me. Prior to listing it for sale, the GM dealer serviced the car which included changing the oil and filter with AC Delco parts.
 

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Your email to the salesman was right on. They have a complete lack of willingness to understand that oil did not meet FCA specifications for a Hellcat and it was completely a wrong filter. Definitely a Half ass attempt to service a 707 HP car with no regrets on their part! No need to tell your Dodge dealer about how inept the GM dealer is but it would have voided the warranty if you had any issues with the motor before you changed it. Keep your receipts and change it every 6 months to meet your warranty requirements
 

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Oh, sorry. Mini JCW, and JCW is short for John Cooper Works. The JCW is kind of a special higher performance model of the Mini S. Kind of like the Z28 was for the Camaro and the SS was for the Camaro Z28. And the Mustang GT was for the Mustang and the Mustang Cobra was for the Mustang GT and so on.
 

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I should have looked up Mini JCW before I asked my question instead of after my post. I did look it up and found that info. That looks like a fun, special model.
 
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