[Annh]

My husband has a 2022 Charger Scat, (36k miles). Recently the engine light went on and the dealer indicated the car needed a part changed out, so they ordered, and on Tuesday the car went in for the replacement piece. Any way later in the day the dealer indicated they changed the part but the car kept backfiring. Come to find out the mechanic working on the car dropped something into the engine--the dealer indicated they now have to find a NEW engine.

We have so many questions, but to begin with how do we know that a NEW engine is what goes into the vehicle and not a rebuild. Does this lower the value of the car, warranty does it begin over.

What if this was your vehicle, what would you do? Thanks for your response.

UPDATE: Sorry, our scat pack is a 2021....not 2022. Today the dealership indicated a new engine will be delivered tomorrow or Monday. They indicated NEW as we have stressed we want the "same" engine as what we purchased in the first place. New not a rebuild. The dealership indicated it will be "fixed" and be done by next Friday. In the meantime we have a loaner vehicle..

Thanks for everyone's input. ...I'll keep you posted.

 

[TXRedEye]

My husband has a 2022 Charger Scat, (36k miles). Recently the engine light went on and the dealer indicated the car needed a part changed out, so they ordered, and on Tuesday the car went in for the replacement piece. Any way later in the day the dealer indicated they changed the part but the car kept backfiring. Come to find out the mechanic working on the car dropped something into the engine--the dealer indicated they now have to find a NEW engine.

We have so many questions, but to begin with how do we know that a NEW engine is what goes into the vehicle and not a rebuild. Does this lower the value of the car, warranty does it begin over.

What if this was your vehicle, what would you do? Thanks for your response.

Given it is at the dealership, almost certainly it would be a new build from the factory. Likely the warranty is going to be whatever is left on the car, and shouldn't have any negative effect on the car. Be sure to get all documentation and keep it safe, and any assurances/proof given from the dealership as well. Imagine it will fall on the cost of the dealer (being their mistake) rather than a warranty claim back to Stellantis, so keep an eye on anything unscrupulous being done by the dealer - trust but verify.

 

[ScLeCo]

I would rejoice. You're getting a new engine if anything this will ADD value to your car. There should be a warranty on the new engine. How will you know if it's a new engine? Your invoice from the dealer should clearly state what is being installed. The price the dealer pays should tell you if it's a new or re-manufactured engine. No it won't lower the value. Keep all paperwork and keep detailed notes.

 

[ArchGE]

They’re only required to replace like for like. Which would be a replacement engine with 36K miles on it, or less. If they actually do replace it with new, you’re golden. Sometimes the words “new” and “different" get confused.

 

[Reaperhwk]

I wouldn’t worry about the actual engine replacement. My bro got a new engine in his viper under warranty. It’s done at the dealer so it will be warrantied.

my only recommendation is that this Is a big job and they will be removing abs installing many components with a risk of them damaging the car/paint due to carelessness. I’d photo the car good before this work begins.

you see a big scratch on your fender you can prove it wasn’t there before you brought it in…..

 

[Blickie]

My husband has a 2022 Charger Scat, (36k miles). Recently the engine light went on and the dealer indicated the car needed a part changed out, so they ordered, and on Tuesday the car went in for the replacement piece. Any way later in the day the dealer indicated they changed the part but the car kept backfiring. Come to find out the mechanic working on the car dropped something into the engine--the dealer indicated they now have to find a NEW engine.

We have so many questions, but to begin with how do we know that a NEW engine is what goes into the vehicle and not a rebuild. Does this lower the value of the car, warranty does it begin over.

What if this was your vehicle, what would you do? Thanks for your response.

Suggest getting the dealer to tell you what they mean by "New engine" & their source, and then get copies of all paperwork. Ideally, they would order one from Dodge with a genuine Dodge Part Number.

Best!

 

[njsteve]

And when you ask them anything, please do it by email so you have a paper trail of their statements and not just a telephone call that they can later deny having said something. Or at least get their work order estimate in writing.

 

[GNBRETT]

Ummmm yes it will lower the value. WTF are u talking about? If the guy wanted to sell the car right now and I was looking at the ad and seen "Motor replaced" I would exit out and look at another car period. That will absolutely be on the Carfax report. That is a RED flag for 99% of the ppl looking to buy a used car with relatively low miles.

It has 36k miles there is no good reason for a motor to be replaced in most ppl's minds. They dont want to hear the story about how some mechanic ****** up the car and now the motor needs replacement. Thats not gonna steer anyone to buy this car it was make them run away as fast as they can!

I would make all kinds of assumptions as would anyone else as to why the motor has been replaced. Was it stolen and recovered but never reported stolen and found the car after they blew the motor? Was someone beating the shit out of it on low oil? Did they just not take good care of it over the last 36k miles......

There are a dozen reasons NOT to buy a newer car that has a new motor smh.

I would rejoice. You're getting a new engine if anything this will ADD value to your car. There should be a warranty on the new engine. How will you know if it's a new engine? Your invoice from the dealer should clearly state what is being installed. The price the dealer pays should tell you if it's a new or re-manufactured engine. No it won't lower the value. Keep all paperwork and keep detailed notes.

 

[njsteve]

Agreed. There is also the issue of diminished value that a collector car gets hit with when you replace the engine. That is usually thousands of dollars in value. This issue might give you some leverage to demand they give you the Dodge extended warranty on the entire car, not just the new engine, in order to make your loss fully recovered.

While this link relates to accidents and diminshed value, the principle still applies for getting a general sense of how it is calculated.

Diminished Value Claims Explained | Bankrate

Diminished value refers to the difference in your car’s market value before and after the accident. If you or the other driver in the accident have auto insurance to cover your vehicle, then the insurance will cover the cost to restore your car back to its condition prior to loss.

www.bankrate.com

 

[MJS73]

They’re only required to replace like for like. Which would be a replacement engine with 36K miles on it, or less. If they actually do replace it with new, you’re golden. Sometimes the word “new” and “different" get confused.

The factory doesn't send use engines.

 

[MJS73]

Agreed. There is also the issue of diminished value that a collector car gets hit with when you replace the engine. That is usually thousands of dollars in value. This issue might give you some leverage to demand they give you the Dodge extended warranty on the entire car, not just the new engine, in order to make your loss fully recovered.

There is no such thing as "matching numbers" anymore. The new engine will have the ar's VIN on it.

 

[tacamo01]

Since the mechanic caused the error the dealer may be getting a motor from another source. Depends on whether or not they decide to rip off Stellantis and create a false problem. Most likely you will get a refurbished 392 and the dealer will pay out of pocket IMO.

 

[ScLeCo]

Ummmm yes it will lower the value. WTF are u talking about? If the guy wanted to sell the car right now and I was looking at the ad and seen "Motor replaced" I would exit out and look at another car period. That will absolutely be on the Carfax report. That is a RED flag for 99% of the ppl looking to buy a used car with relatively low miles.

It has 36k miles there is no good reason for a motor to be replaced in most ppl's minds. They dont want to hear the story about how some mechanic ** up the car and now the motor needs replacement. Thats not gonna steer anyone to buy this car it was make them run away as fast as they can!

I would make all kinds of assumptions as would anyone else as to why the motor has been replaced. Was it stolen and recovered but never reported stolen and found the car after they blew the motor? Was someone beating the shit out of it on low oil? Did they just not take good care of it over the last 36k miles......

There are a dozen reasons NOT to buy a newer car that has a new motor smh.

WTF are you talking about? If the owner has documentation of a dealer mistake that required a NEW engine. Then he has a car with an engine that has significantly less mileage. I would agree with you if it was just some guy's word without any proof.

Agreed. There is also the issue of diminished value that a collector car gets hit with when you replace the engine. That is usually thousands of dollars in value. This issue might give you some leverage to demand they give you the Dodge extended warranty on the entire car, not just the new engine, in order to make your loss fully recovered.

While this link relates to accidents and diminshed value, the principle still applies for getting a general sense of how it is calculated.

Diminished Value Claims Explained | Bankrate

Diminished value refers to the difference in your car’s market value before and after the accident. If you or the other driver in the accident have auto insurance to cover your vehicle, then the insurance will cover the cost to restore your car back to its condition prior to loss.

www.bankrate.com

HAHHAHAHAHHAHA
Jesus Christ this isn't a "collector" car not in the sense that it has to be some "numbers matching" bullshit. LOL get the F outta here with that nonsense.

 

[Vet Rider]

Lol Like for like. Are you high?? How can anyone take what’s posted on this forum as fact. This is about the worst place I’ve seen for “internet facts” of all the car forums I visit. What the hell. Ahahaha.

 

[beep-beep-vroom]

Come to find out the mechanic working on the car dropped something into the engine--the dealer indicated they now have to find a NEW engine.

Too much vagueness in your original post. I'd like to know what the original diagnosis and repair was? And what fell into the engine?

I'm trying to imagine the calculation done with this. The labor involved in removing whatever fell into the engine vs the parts and labor involved in removing the original engine and then replacing it with a new one...and that's the best option? Unless the object that fell into the engine was a hand grenade I have a hard time believing there isn't more to the story.

 

[Vet Rider]

Too much vagueness in your original post. I'd like to know what the original diagnosis and repair was? And what fell into the engine?

I'm trying to imagine the calculation of removing whatever fell into the engine vs the parts and labor involved in removing the original engine and then replacing it with a new one...and that's the best option? Unless the object that fell into the engine was a handgrande I have a hard time believing there isn't more to the story.

It sounds like they dropped something into the motor and it was ran with this object in the motor. Now you can imagine how much damage a socket or something metal and small can do to the top of a piston and the cylinder walls when its bouncing around in there under load.

And the dealer is a part swapper. They are not capable of tearing down short blocks to bare blocks. They just R&R long blocks supplied to them by FCA. They are not real mechanics anymore.

Thats probably what happened. It wasnt just oops I dropped my screw driver into the plug hole, lets order a new motor...

 

[GNBRETT]

No one wants to buy a car with low miles that has had an engine replacement for a DD. There is no good reason for that unless something catostophic has occred....... Ur post made me lol literally!

Riiiiight so a replacement motor is gonna make ppl think their getting like a new car huh? Bro, is ur brain under developed or something?

WTF are you talking about? If the owner has documentation of a dealer mistake that required a NEW engine. Then he has a car with an engine that has significantly less mileage. I would agree with you if it was just some guy's word without any proof.


HAHHAHAHAHHAHA
Jesus Christ this isn't a "collector" car not in the sense that it has to be some "numbers matching" bullshit. LOL get the F outta here with that nonsense.

 

[njsteve]

HAHHAHAHAHHAHA
Jesus Christ this isn't a "collector" car not in the sense that it has to be some "numbers matching" bullshit. LOL get the F outta here with that nonsense.

What nonsense am I talking about? Well lets see, insurance companies reimburse for this exact loss of value all the time. But only when it is brought up by the claimant. If you don't raise the issue. It doesn't get reimbursed.

It doesn't have to be a collector car. In actuality this type of loss was first established for late model cars and only recently has become useful in terms of survivor (original paint) cars that were damaged and lost significant amounts of value due to the subsequent repairs.

Any new car that is damaged is eligible for this. Are you actually claiming that a car with a replacement engine would be valued at the exact same price as one with an original engine when it came time to sell or trade in?

 

[GNBRETT]

Bro, this is the dude who thinks Machine Guns are outlawed.......

What nonsense am I talking about? Well lets see, insurance companies reimburse for this exact loss of value all the time. But only when it is brought up by the claimant. If you don't raise the issue. It doesn't get reimbursed.

It doesn't have to be a collector car. In actuality this type of loss was first established for late model cars and only recently has become useful in terms of survivor (original paint) cars that were damaged and lost significant amounts of value due to the subsequent repairs.

Any new car that is damaged is eligible for this. Are you actually claiming that a car with a replacement engine would be valued at the exact same price as one with an original engine when it came time to sell or trade in?

 

[baabootoo]

A. If it were mine, I'd want a nice loaner while it was being worked on. 2. If you're making payments, make THEM pick one up. and C, I wouldn't worry a bit about resale value.