[16GoManGoHC]

The steve white setup comes with everything needed to work, wiring and all. Not sure why you’re having rick build you something for it?

I need to plug the SW unit into the pump supply leads in the Tapped Dual Pump setup harness as I’ll be removing be removing it to try the SW one and want to be able to use either depending on which I like best.

 

[16GoManGoHC]

Here’s the harness Rick made for me so I can plug his harness pump feeds directly into the Steve White unit. Ricks a GREAT guy to work with!!

 

[Radride]

Here’s the harness Rick made for me so I can plug his harness pump feeds directly into the Steve White unit. Ricks a GREAT guy to work with!!
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I see what you mean now. That is a better wiring setup for sure. No need to solder any wires.

R.K.

 

[Cheapokitty]

Hey guys, was scrolling the forums and noticed this thread. Here is the deal with the Steve White Dual 295 pumps ..... THEY ARE AWESOME.

As you may or may not know I have a Twin Turbo hellcat build running a steve white 426 forged hemi on his pumps that I've dyno'd up to 1250whp. I also run all fuels from 93 to E85 to leaded 116 so my experience should cover each option.

On 93 octane I can run upto 15lbs of boost which makes 950whp and pumps hold steady at 80-85psi up to 7100rpm.

On E85 I can run up to 20lbs of boost which makes 1100+ whp with the pumps holding at 80psi upto 6500rpm and by 7100rpm dips to 75psi.

On 116 leaded race gas I have been up to 25psi which makes 1250+ whp with the pumps holding at 80psi to 7100rpm.

I run ID1300 injectors in case any of you are wondering with loads of duty cycle left.

So what I found is if I want to make more than 20lbs of boost I CANNOT use E85 because they start to loose pressure at high RPM fast. That's fine for me because for those high boost runs I simply switch to 116 race fuel and all is well. I will try 27lbs of boost soon see if the pumps still hold the pressure at 80psi.

You should use my boost numbers as a reference although with supercharger you will make less power. Use those boost numbers to know the limits of the fuel system.

Best benefits, no more fuel starvation under a half tank and I didn't have to spend $3200 bucks on the Fore triple system with that tedious install time....

 

[Cheapokitty]

Here’s the harness Rick made for me so I can plug his harness pump feeds directly into the Steve White unit. Ricks a GREAT guy to work with!!
View attachment 574796 View attachment 574797

That is awesome, mine are soldered, I wish I had this option before...

 

[16GoManGoHC]

Hey guys, was scrolling the forums and noticed this thread. Here is the deal with the Steve White Dual 295 pumps ..... THEY ARE AWESOME.

As you may or may not know I have a Twin Turbo hellcat build running a steve white 426 forged hemi on his pumps that I've dyno'd up to 1250whp. I also run all fuels from 93 to E85 to leaded 116 so my experience should cover each option.

On 93 octane I can run upto 15lbs of boost which makes 950whp and pumps hold steady at 80-85psi up to 7100rpm.

On E85 I can run up to 20lbs of boost which makes 1100+ whp with the pumps holding at 80psi upto 6500rpm and by 7100rpm dips to 75psi.

On 116 leaded race gas I have been up to 25psi which makes 1250+ whp with the pumps holding at 80psi to 7100rpm.

I run ID1300 injectors in case any of you are wondering with loads of duty cycle left.

So what I found is if I want to make more than 20lbs of boost I CANNOT use E85 because they start to loose pressure at high RPM fast. That's fine for me because for those high boost runs I simply switch to 116 race fuel and all is well. I will try 27lbs of boost soon see if the pumps still hold the pressure at 80psi.

You should use my boost numbers as a reference although with supercharger you will make less power. Use those boost numbers to know the limits of the fuel system.

Best benefits, no more fuel starvation under a half tank and I didn't have to spend $3200 bucks on the Fore triple system with that tedious install time....

Are you still running the pump setup through the stock supply line from tank to fuel rails? Are you using stock fuel rails yet? It may be time to upgrade or try the things I did in this thread to the stock fuel delivery components.

Stock Fuel Rails, why they don’t keep up

I think I stumbled on to why stock fuel rails don’t keep up especially once on corn. I switched to corn back in September, a Flex Fuel tune. I installed a dual 285 fuel pump set up on dual FPCM’s but stuck with my already tuned for on 93 ID1050X injectors. Tuner said it could be done on the...

www.durangosrt.org

 

[Cheapokitty]

Are you still running the pump setup through the stock supply line from tank to fuel rails? Are you using stock fuel rails yet? It may be time to upgrade or try the things I did in this thread to the stock fuel delivery components.

Stock Fuel Rails, why they don’t keep up

I think I stumbled on to why stock fuel rails don’t keep up especially once on corn. I switched to corn back in September, a Flex Fuel tune. I installed a dual 285 fuel pump set up on dual FPCM’s but stuck with my already tuned for on 93 ID1050X injectors. Tuner said it could be done on the...

www.durangosrt.org

I forgot to mention, I'm running fore rails with their braided cross over. I ditched the stock rails long ago when I did ported blower.

The fuel line from the pumps to the rail is still stock.

 

[Spoolin]

This looks like a really nice setup that I'll have to look into for my Challenger HC. Kind of similar to what I run in my Turbo S2000, but I'm using twin in tank Ti450 (Walbro) high pressure pumps with that setup on e85.

Curious as to why Steve White didn't go with twin 450's?

 

[ScLeCo]

Fore triple. Do it once and do it right. Why **** around and have to do it twice when you want more power. Especially if you know you're going e85.

 

[Cheapokitty]

Fore triple. Do it once and do it right. Why **** around and have to do it twice when you want more power. Especially if you know you're going e85.

I make 1100+ on E85 and if I want to make up to 1300whp I just switch to race gas. The fore triple wasn't necessary for me 🤷🏾‍♂️.

Granted supercharged setups will make about 100hp less.

 

[hellcat chris]

This looks like a really nice setup that I'll have to look into for my Challenger HC. Kind of similar to what I run in my Turbo S2000, but I'm using twin in tank Ti450 (Walbro) high pressure pumps with that setup on e85.

Curious as to why Steve White didn't go with twin 450's?

They did go with twin 450’s at first, but when people like me started telling them they weren’t enough for e85 they decided to make them with the twin 535’s ( ti 295’s). It’s the same pump as the oem 285 except there’s no check valve which allows it to run 10 more LPH over the stock pump.

 

[hellcat chris]

Just a little update: so far I’ve ran these pumps all the way down to E and low range and they still work just as good as the oem setup. 10/10 would recommend them to anyone.

 

[16GoManGoHC]

Just a little update: so far I’ve ran these pumps all the way down to E and low range and they still work just as good as the oem setup. 10/10 would recommend them to anyone.

Nice!! Just the news I’ve been waiting to hear. I guess my next project is pull the dual 285 Fore hat out and install the new dual 295 SW setup that’s sitting in the box yet on my bench.

 

[hellcat chris]

Also installed them into a friends challenger hellcat and he also likes them and has no issues. He’s on a 2.60” pulley and e85

 

[hellcat chris]

Hey guys, was scrolling the forums and noticed this thread. Here is the deal with the Steve White Dual 295 pumps ..... THEY ARE AWESOME.

As you may or may not know I have a Twin Turbo hellcat build running a steve white 426 forged hemi on his pumps that I've dyno'd up to 1250whp. I also run all fuels from 93 to E85 to leaded 116 so my experience should cover each option.

On 93 octane I can run upto 15lbs of boost which makes 950whp and pumps hold steady at 80-85psi up to 7100rpm.

On E85 I can run up to 20lbs of boost which makes 1100+ whp with the pumps holding at 80psi upto 6500rpm and by 7100rpm dips to 75psi.

On 116 leaded race gas I have been up to 25psi which makes 1250+ whp with the pumps holding at 80psi to 7100rpm.

I run ID1300 injectors in case any of you are wondering with loads of duty cycle left.

So what I found is if I want to make more than 20lbs of boost I CANNOT use E85 because they start to loose pressure at high RPM fast. That's fine for me because for those high boost runs I simply switch to 116 race fuel and all is well. I will try 27lbs of boost soon see if the pumps still hold the pressure at 80psi.

You should use my boost numbers as a reference although with supercharger you will make less power. Use those boost numbers to know the limits of the fuel system.

Best benefits, no more fuel starvation under a half tank and I didn't have to spend $3200 bucks on the Fore triple system with that tedious install time....

what kind of duty cycle do you see for your pumps?

 

[hellcat chris]

So BIG update for these fuel pumps. I was at the track last night and I had a 1/4 tank or less of e85 in the car and on launch I was getting fuel cut. So this setup on e85 WILL starve the pumps of fuel just like the fore setup does. Haven’t tested it on 93.

 

[Radride]

So BIG update for these fuel pumps. I was at the track last night and I had a 1/4 tank of e85 in the car and on launch I was getting fuel cut. So this setup on e85 WILL starve the pumps of fuel just like the fore setup does. Haven’t tested it on 93.

LOL. No it wouldn't. It always has fuel in the basket. There is something else going on in your car. If you didn't solder your connections then on hard launches you might be getting intermittant fuel pump power so you're not getting full flow. I didn't solder the connections at first and was having the same issues as you.

R.K.

 

[hellcat chris]

LOL. No it wouldn't. It always has fuel in the basket. There is something else going on in your car. If you didn't solder your connections then on hard launches you might be getting intermittant fuel pump power so you're not getting full flow. I didn't solder the connections at first and was having the same issues as you.

R.K.

First off, yes it did. There was no soldering needed with my wiring except for 1 wire which was the pwm signal wire and it’s soldered the rest is all plug and play. Second off, that was the first time I’ve raced with that low of fuel. The amount of fuel the jet pump puts in the cup can’t keep up with the fuel demand on e85. The problem progressively got pronounced with the lesser amount of fuel I had after each round. Added fuel to the tank and the problem magically went away, care to explain that one?

 

[Cheapokitty]

First off, yes it did. There was no soldering needed with my wiring except for 1 wire which was the pwm signal wire and it’s soldered the rest is all plug and play. Second off, that was the first time I’ve raced with that low of fuel. The amount of fuel the jet pump puts in the cup can’t keep up with the fuel demand on e85. The problem progressively got pronounced with the lesser amount of fuel I had after each round. Added fuel to the tank and the problem magically went away, care to explain that one?

So for me when I had the fore dual pump system I couldn't run less than a half tank on E85 comfortably. Anytime the needle would be between a half and a 1/4 it would starve for fuel.

With the Steve White pumps I still don't go below a 1/4 tank just because the volume of fuel E85 requires and the the rate at which it burns. It's just a rule of thumb you should probably adopt.

 

[16GoManGoHC]

So BIG update for these fuel pumps. I was at the track last night and I had a 1/4 tank or less of e85 in the car and on launch I was getting fuel cut. So this setup on e85 WILL starve the pumps of fuel just like the fore setup does. Haven’t tested it on 93.

Good info. The SW setup still sounds better then just dual pumps and no basket. I’m on 93 still at the moment still in the gasoline tune process of my flex tune. Last week on the way to fill up I was at just under 1/4 on the gauge, romped on it in second, car leaped forward tossed me back in the seat then fuel cut about bounced me off the steering wheel, this on 93, so I think I will still install the dual 295 SW setup which I’ve yet to do, procrastination has to end lol. The SW setup still sounds better then just 2 pumps hanging wide open. Remember even stock it was not recommended to do WOT launches below 1/4 tank.