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They used to grip the pavement quite well for an all-season 186mph-rated tire. When I took it out on New Year's day last year it felt like the car was trying to climb the horizon like a hummer running into wall with its front tires. Went 180mph.

Cold air, cold pavement, and wonderful power. No lack of traction.

Then, lately, in midsummer, I found that the same tires that worked so well when new were going OFF. I was spinning at speeds and throttle settings on nice, warm pavement that it never would have before in cold pavement. I found their wet grip fell off, also, spinning the tires on stop with gentle clutch and tiny throttle input, tires leisurely spinning at low speed. If your tire spins at low speed and low throttle opening, you have a traction problem.

I am using about 15 PSI LESS than I used before, also. In THEORY, one should gain more traction.

I guess I will have to drop by and put them all up to 50 again and see if they behave. I have a digital gauge, also. I do not rely on the one on the dashboard.

The OLD Mickeys were amazing at cold air and asphalt temps, (they were on the front of the high-speed run) and they made the car try to pitch everyone through the windshield when I stood on the brakes. They NEVER squeaked, let alone squealed.

With the Motivos on the front, even quite a few miles ago, they DID squeak on brake application at high levels. Disappointing.

I have not tried Michelin PS4's yet, but I have not heard similar news about them. They look like the next tire I will be trying on the car. Tread depth is still healthy, not down to wear bars or casing rubber. Notably, the Mickeys were better almost worn out than the Motivos were at around 2/3 tread. Disappointing, again. They may not have been as good in cold RAINY weather as brand spanking new Motivos, but they were generally superior, making the car feel like it was carving its own rails in the road.

I wouldn't mind the Mickeys, but I don't like the idea of tires that have a top speed below what I actually occasionally run them, as well as FAR below the car's top speed.

"Tires are the cheapest insurance you can get."
 

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My theory is that the Motivos use regular traction rubber (not high-traction) on the outside of the tire, then as you wear it, you get down to the hard, warranty-avoiding rubber they use for the rest of the tire.
In any case, I am experiencing a failure to be impressed.

I do not plan on buying Nitto anythings in the future. The rubber definitely seems designed in a bait-and-switch manner, whereas the Mickeys were good and had great traction right down to the wear bars.
 

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I run NT05 rear tires. Grip well on dry pavement. Dont think they would do good on wet roads. Thinking of trying Toyota r888r next. Not concerned about wet road performance, Charger is my weekend toy so it only gets out on nice days.
 

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I run NT05 rear tires. Grip well on dry pavement. Dont think they would do good on wet roads. Thinking of trying Toyota r888r next. Not concerned about wet road performance, Charger is my weekend toy so it only gets out on nice days.
I run the 325/30 R888R's on the back of my near 800 whp Challenger and they do pretty well. I still need to play around with the tire pressure and start recording some 0-60 times to see what works best. Currently I'm around 30 psi on them.
 

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I ran Nt555s, NT05s, and NT05Rs, all 315s. The Rs compound was awesome because of grip it provided. I went through 2 sets of NT05s but hydroplaned more than I think was reasonable, 0 / 10 on the fun scale. The 555s were decent, like a -C ish grip, but didn't have any issues in rain. I ran all the tires about 30lbs if my memory serves me.
 

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The MPS4 is where its at IMO. Our parking lot is seemingly full of them...
I have them on my GT, as does a coworker.
Another guy took the Cup2s off his M2 and replaced them with MP4S. Said the Cup 2s wanted him dead, loves the MP4S.
Also have them on a G37, and a C7. No complaints from any of them.
 

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The MPS4 is where its at IMO. Our parking lot is seemingly full of them...
I have them on my GT, as does a coworker.
Another guy took the Cup2s off his M2 and replaced them with MP4S. Said the Cup 2s wanted him dead, loves the MP4S.
Also have them on a G37, and a C7. No complaints from any of them.
Yes, go to a small or big track, and that's all you will see (except for Sport Cups until it rains then they're done). I am continually amazed at the grip, ESPECIALLY when wet. Since I drive mine a lot, in all weather, they will be my choice until something better comes out.
 

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I have never liked Nitto tires on any car I've used them on. Just go Michelin and all your problems go away. It's like Calgon, but for car guys.
 

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I'm switching to the MPS4's for daily in December (they seem to be the best reviewed daily driver tires on HC Org), they put new Pirelli All Seasons when I bought it in June and they are truly a terrible tire, tried to change the PSI but it didn't seem to help lowering from 32 to 30 PSI. Still spin out on damp roads (not fresh rain slick, next day clean w/o standing water). In the Pacific NW with all the hills, curvy roads, and nearly constant rain in the winter the Pirelli's are awful, spin out with minimal pressure on the gas, loose traction in turns, just bad.
For the track I'm thinking about Mickey 18's instead of 20's as the guys with HC's at the strip are recommending the 18's, anyone know if you can mount 18's to OEM rims? I'm hesitant about buying aftermarket rims as I'm not versed in the manufacturers and quality of their parts.
 

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You have to get 18" rims for the 18" tires.
If you want a wider 20" rim, go with an 11"-wide rim (cast or forged, depends on your budget) and an offset of 25mm or so, down to 21mm, The 25mm offset allows you to shim it to the clearance you want. 21mm you have to be bang-on or you may rub, I think.
 
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