[jchristena]

Like the title says, that's what they told me. Is this true? I 'settled' for a completely loaded non-WB...but was just curious.

 

[slicks]

This would be true.....heard they have over 200 days of orders already...so why take more orders if they cant even build what they have in the pipeline !!!
Good luck....

 

[jchristena]

Thank you!

 

[Knuckles]

Was gonna wait for a ‘23 but Jake told me “ better get one while you can”. Glad I listened.

 

[jchristena]

That was the main driving force in trading my TRX in now...it's now or never. Ordering now, sales manager told me that worst case it gets converted to a '23.

 

[Rockster]

If you really wanted a WB example and the dealer you talked to said it couldn't order one you could have contacted other dealers just to see what they might offer.

'course, the trouble is a dealer might say "sure" and use this to hook you then after a while break the bad news to you the ordered car won't be arriving in your lifetime in order to get you to buy one off the lot

 

[jchristena]

It's true. The traction issue is the main thing I'm worried about. I do like the WB look a little better...but it's not that I hate the narrow body either. I guess some 295s in either 555R or the MT Street ETs will solve the issue though.

 

[GNBRETT]

This is just a sign of the times of how much these cars will go up in value! When u can just go to the dealer and order something new thats great and thats been the standard for muscle cars for the last 60 years!

When that will NEVER be an option again for a Hellcat V8 with a rumble the demand will be HIGH and the supply will be ZERO which is why the used car market for these will sky rocket!

The Mustang is kool and so is the Camaro and Vette but there is just something iconic about a Hellcat that will attract more ppl in the future. Historically the Mustang, Camaro and Vette do not hold their value very well. That will never be seen with the Hellcat platform.

 

[Xylander]

This is just a sign of the times of how much these cars will go up in value! When u can just go to the dealer and order something new thats great and thats been the standard for muscle cars for the last 60 years!

When that will NEVER be an option again for a Hellcat V8 with a rumble the demand will be HIGH and the supply will be ZERO which is why the used car market for these will sky rocket!

Camaro and Vette do not hold their value very well. That will never be seen with the Hellcat platform.

Not so sure on that. The Hellcat is popular, currently, but it's only been a thing since 2015. These other cars have 50 years worth of history. I think the jury is out on exactly what the Hellcats will be worth in the future. They haven't been around long enough to determine what their long-term lifespan looks like. It's one thing to invest in a car, but another to invest in one that has expensive parts that can't be replaced.

Most Camaros and Corvettes are worthless, this is true. But, unlike Hellcats, they make a LOT of them and in a lot of different trim levels. C4-C5 common Corvettes are worth nothing. However, the special edition C5-C6-C7, Z06, ZR1, some of the Grand Sports, can be worth a lot. The C8 market is a sh-tshow. Not even KBB can give an evaluation as to the value of them due to identical cars selling for anywhere between $70,000 and $120,000.

All I know is that when you compare the Hellcat to the C8 market right now, the C8 is in far higher demand, even with a much higher supply. In the first 2 years, there have been over 43,000 C8s made. Almost all of them are worth 20k more than their MSRP on the retail market. That's one big difference between the Vette and the Hellcat. Even with 12k+ miles on a 1-year old model, they're still bringing 10-15k above their MSRP on used lots. Overall, the demand for the C8 is much higher than it is for the Hellcat.

Dodge only makes around 8,000 Hellcat powered vehicles per year. They're much more rare than the Mustangs, Camaros, and Corvettes. With the low production, their order wait times are typically less than 5 months. Compared to the C8, which is made in 3x more volume, the average wait for a new order is 14-18 months. If the same desirability scales into the future, what you're looking at is a far more rare of a car, with a smaller niche market of buyers. As I've mentioned before, you have to be a Mopar fan and LOVE the car to want one, as they're deficient in many ways, but they do offer a unique experience. The problem is the price doesn't match the quality and features. How this will affect the future market is yet to be seen. An expensive 100k car sold new in 2022 doesn't mean that's reflective of its value. Remember, the reason why the prices are high right now is solely due to the end-of-life of the Hellcats coming in the short production run next year.

It's entirely plausible that Hellcats could be worth more than C8s or Shelby Mustangs in the future. But, they could also greatly decrease in value due to the preponderance of modified cars and long-term reliability issues, coupled with an overall much smaller market of potential buyers. The reason why the top-end halo cars (C8/C7 Z06/GT500 etc.) tend to hold long-term value well is due to the fact that Ford and Chevy made many tens of thousands of them and have long-standing parts availability. In comparison, Dodge makes far less and they don't have parts availability for NEW cars. We'll see how this pans out. If the Hellcats run into major parts shortages in 5-10 years, you'll see them have serious valuation issues for any car that isn't a kept garage queen.

 

[jchristena]

Not so sure on that. The Hellcat is popular, currently, but it's only been a thing since 2015. These other cars have 50 years worth of history. I think the jury is out on exactly what the Hellcats will be worth in the future. They haven't been around long enough to determine what their long-term lifespan looks like. It's one thing to invest in a car, but another to invest in one that has expensive parts that can't be replaced.

Most Camaros and Corvettes are worthless, this is true. But, unlike Hellcats, they make a LOT of them and in a lot of different trim levels. C4-C5 common Corvettes are worth nothing. However, the special edition C5-C6-C7, Z06, ZR1, some of the Grand Sports, can be worth a lot. The C8 market is a sh-tshow. Not even KBB can give an evaluation as to the value of them due to identical cars selling for anywhere between $70,000 and $120,000.

All I know is that when you compare the Hellcat to the C8 market right now, the C8 is in far higher demand, even with a much higher supply. In the first 2 years, there have been over 43,000 C8s made. Almost all of them are worth 20k more than their MSRP on the retail market. That's one big difference between the Vette and the Hellcat. Even with 12k+ miles on a 1-year old model, they're still bringing 10-15k above their MSRP on used lots. Overall, the demand for the C8 is much higher than it is for the Hellcat.

Dodge only makes around 8,000 Hellcat powered vehicles per year. They're much more rare than the Mustangs, Camaros, and Corvettes. With the low production, their order wait times are typically less than 5 months. Compared to the C8, which is made in 3x more volume, the average wait for a new order is 14-18 months. If the same desirability scales into the future, what you're looking at is a far more rare of a car, with a smaller niche market of buyers. As I've mentioned before, you have to be a Mopar fan and LOVE the car to want one, as they're deficient in many ways, but they do offer a unique experience. The problem is the price doesn't match the quality and features. How this will affect the future market is yet to be seen. An expensive 100k car sold new in 2022 doesn't mean that's reflective of its value. Remember, the reason why the prices are high right now is solely due to the end-of-life of the Hellcats coming in the short production run next year.

It's entirely plausible that Hellcats could be worth more than C8s or Shelby Mustangs in the future. But, they could also greatly decrease in value due to the preponderance of modified cars and long-term reliability issues, coupled with an overall much smaller market of potential buyers. The reason why the top-end halo cars (C8/C7 Z06/GT500 etc.) tend to hold long-term value well is due to the fact that Ford and Chevy made many tens of thousands of them and have long-standing parts availability. In comparison, Dodge makes far less and they don't have parts availability for NEW cars. We'll see how this pans out. If the Hellcats run into major parts shortages in 5-10 years, you'll see them have serious valuation issues for any car that isn't a kept garage queen.

Good thoughts. Time will tell. I think in a lot of cases it has to have the "special" badge on it. My '14 Shelby had a sticker price of 65k and some change. It's worth about that today if not a little more. Hopefully the Hellcats share the same fate.

I've also had non "special" badge cars too...like a regular Mustang GT...and it held it's value for shit.

 

[Xylander]

Good thoughts. Time will tell. I think in a lot of cases it has to have the "special" badge on it. My '14 Shelby had a sticker price of 65k and some change. It's worth about that today if not a little more. Hopefully the Hellcats share the same fate.

I've also had non "special" badge cars too...like a regular Mustang GT...and it held it's value for shit.

Mustang GTs are another odd car to valuate. 90% of them get modified. The majority of Mustang people cut-n-paste their mods list from what they see on the internet. Think for a moment how many times you've seen the following on a GT: GT350 intake, LT headers, Roush or Corsa exhaust, Airaid CAI, tune.

You can go to car shows and see the same exact car one after the other. It's more rare to see GT350 intakes, but the LT headers, CAI and Corsas are staples. Because of that, modified Mustangs are usually worth squat. People make them annoyingly loud and the performance isn't all that much better than stock. Fun fact about car buyers, loud cars attract young buyers. Young buyers have far less money to spend than established buyers. Generally, established buyers are older, and older buyers generally don't pay for an ear-splittingly loud car that only makes 420hp. Hence why the market tanks. Rich buyers will get a Shelby. Lower income, younger buyers opt for GTs. Given that most GTs are driven (hard) and modified boringly, and the people who buy them used don't pay 30k for cars, they're not worth shit.

Sadly, I think the same thing is going to occur in the Hellcat market. Muffler delete, pulleyed/tuned cars are going to be retail cancer.

 

[6lbSsFt]

It's true. The traction issue is the main thing I'm worried about. I do like the WB look a little better...but it's not that I hate the narrow body either. I guess some 295s in either 555R or the MT Street ETs will solve the issue though.

My friend just fitted 315’s on some 11” wheels with no issues at all. He’s running 315”s in the back and 275’s up front which is stock size. Looks dope on a standard body. Says it makes a world of difference, car hooks real good. The stance is unreal with that setup.

 

[Knuckles]

Not so sure on that. The Hellcat is popular, currently, but it's only been a thing since 2015. These other cars have 50 years worth of history. I think the jury is out on exactly what the Hellcats will be worth in the future. They haven't been around long enough to determine what their long-term lifespan looks like. It's one thing to invest in a car, but another to invest in one that has expensive parts that can't be replaced.

Most Camaros and Corvettes are worthless, this is true. But, unlike Hellcats, they make a LOT of them and in a lot of different trim levels. C4-C5 common Corvettes are worth nothing. However, the special edition C5-C6-C7, Z06, ZR1, some of the Grand Sports, can be worth a lot. The C8 market is a sh-tshow. Not even KBB can give an evaluation as to the value of them due to identical cars selling for anywhere between $70,000 and $120,000.

All I know is that when you compare the Hellcat to the C8 market right now, the C8 is in far higher demand, even with a much higher supply. In the first 2 years, there have been over 43,000 C8s made. Almost all of them are worth 20k more than their MSRP on the retail market. That's one big difference between the Vette and the Hellcat. Even with 12k+ miles on a 1-year old model, they're still bringing 10-15k above their MSRP on used lots. Overall, the demand for the C8 is much higher than it is for the Hellcat.

Dodge only makes around 8,000 Hellcat powered vehicles per year. They're much more rare than the Mustangs, Camaros, and Corvettes. With the low production, their order wait times are typically less than 5 months. Compared to the C8, which is made in 3x more volume, the average wait for a new order is 14-18 months. If the same desirability scales into the future, what you're looking at is a far more rare of a car, with a smaller niche market of buyers. As I've mentioned before, you have to be a Mopar fan and LOVE the car to want one, as they're deficient in many ways, but they do offer a unique experience. The problem is the price doesn't match the quality and features. How this will affect the future market is yet to be seen. An expensive 100k car sold new in 2022 doesn't mean that's reflective of its value. Remember, the reason why the prices are high right now is solely due to the end-of-life of the Hellcats coming in the short production run next year.

It's entirely plausible that Hellcats could be worth more than C8s or Shelby Mustangs in the future. But, they could also greatly decrease in value due to the preponderance of modified cars and long-term reliability issues, coupled with an overall much smaller market of potential buyers. The reason why the top-end halo cars (C8/C7 Z06/GT500 etc.) tend to hold long-term value well is due to the fact that Ford and Chevy made many tens of thousands of them and have long-standing parts availability. In comparison, Dodge makes far less and they don't have parts availability for NEW cars. We'll see how this pans out. If the Hellcats run into major parts shortages in 5-10 years, you'll see them have serious valuation issues for any car that isn't a kept garage queen.

Was just down at the hot rod reunion in bowling green and a bunch of C8s got wiped out by a tornado that hit the plants parking lot.

 

[Xylander]

In my opinion, the magic time for selling a Hellcat for a profit is going to be in the near-term market. 5 years or so. Once the 2023s finish, there will be a premium on the used market for a few years... and then the great tanking will begin on all the non "gently used" examples. Said tank event may happen sooner if Dodge makes a more desirable new car than the outgoing Hellcats.

 

[Xylander]

Was just down at the hot rod reunion in bowling green and a bunch of C8s got wiped out by a tornado that hit the plants parking lot.

Yay, my car's value just went up

 

[motorheadmike]

In my opinion, the magic time for selling a Hellcat for a profit is going to be in the near-term market. 5 years or so. Once the 2023s finish, there will be a premium on the used market for a few years... and then the great tanking will begin on all the non "gently used" examples. Said tank event may happen sooner if Dodge makes a more desirable new car than the outgoing Hellcats.

I remember how I got into Turbo Buicks at 21... It wasn't buying a garage queen. It took a rotted runner and a roller race car to have a decent example to build on. I kept it, and kept modifying it, for the next 15 years - sold it for what I had into it before the market took off on those cars (regardless of condition). I had my fun, but definitely avoided paying the GN tax in the "restoration years".

The good news is, like the TRs, 90% of a Hellcat is rental car common with the base model Challenger and other LC/LX platforms.

 

[HP_Addict19]

This is just a sign of the times of how much these cars will go up in value! When u can just go to the dealer and order something new thats great and thats been the standard for muscle cars for the last 60 years!

When that will NEVER be an option again for a Hellcat V8 with a rumble the demand will be HIGH and the supply will be ZERO which is why the used car market for these will sky rocket!

The Mustang is kool and so is the Camaro and Vette but there is just something iconic about a Hellcat that will attract more ppl in the future. Historically the Mustang, Camaro and Vette do not hold their value very well. That will never be seen with the Hellcat platform.

I miss my 18 Camaro 2SS a little. I owned it for just 4 1/2 years. Also, It has just over 5 months left on the power train warranty.
‘It was really quick and lighter than the Challengers and Mustangs. And it sat really low when you were driving it. But Hellcats are the best and most powerful stock American muscle cars. I just had to have one. Before they stop making ‘em

I got a good trade in value and tax deductions too on the Camaro

 

[GNBRETT]

I was hot on the 1LE it just has has such a tiny little blower IDN why they couldnt have put a decent size blower on it I mean thats the first thing I would change.

I think the Redeye motor will handle more power as well but the 1LE it is considerably lighter but I hear its a ROUGH ass ride!

I miss my 18 Camaro 2SS a little. I owned it for just 4 1/2 years. Also, It has just over 5 months left on the power train warranty.
‘It was really quick and lighter than the Challengers and Mustangs. And it sat really low when you were driving it. But Hellcats are the best and most powerful stock American muscle cars. I just had to have one. Before they stop making ‘em

I got a good trade in value and tax deductions too on the Camaro

 

[RB185AFM]

I’m guessing around 10k total cars with Demon engines will be built (including all Redeye variants). Hell, even if the final number is 20k cars when all said and done, I don’t see how they don’t go up! 800 hp from the most glorious engine ever put in a muscle car, does it all alone for me! The best muscle car ever made is about to go instinct, this is what pushed me towards my Redeye.

I think after the dust settles, all Hellcats will hold nicely, Demons will skyrocket, and Redeyes variants will keep inching up. Time will tell. But damn am I happy I got mine! After SRT got disbanded, I knew it was over. Who’s designing new stuff? No one, that’s why all we have left is clever marketing.

 

[GNBRETT]

Some fair points for sure. But very few Redeye wide bodies sold so far and those are what im referring to essentiually the rare ones like the TH, RE, SS, JB. The Corvette ZR1 will be worth a fortune tho! The wing is gay AF tho smh not my cup of tea especially since is useless under 150 mph and just creates drag up untill that point and most ppl race 60-130 so again useless.

The lack of interier quality wont mean much. Look at the GNX or any Corvette that isnt brand new and the interier is garbage. Same with the older GT500's 13-14 but they will be also be worth a lot so that wont mean much to ppl when everything is electric and drives by itself smh.

The C8 will surely hold its value. The Hellcat platform isnt the only car that will be valuable. The C8 is a two seater and a toy for many tho. The Charger and Challenger can easily fit 4 ppl. Well, not easily on the Challenger but it has a much bigger rear seat and leg room than I expected. I call it a 3 seater lol cause I cant adjust my seat to come up any further but the passenger sure can.

Part avilability will have no impact on a cars value tho. If that was the case the GNX, Turbo TA, Syclone would be worth nothing. That will only increase the value cause their will be less ppl driving them and less mileage put on them. No one is looking to buy a car based on availablity of parts. That just wont play a role in decreasing value at all.

The GT500 is just ******* ugly as is any new Mustang. The Challenger was brought back to life to resemble the older Challenger as a Muscle car. The Mustang looks like a pile of shit! They just turned it into a bubble with no lines and no character. Chevy brought Camaro back to life and it resembles the original Camaro. The GT500 looks NOTHING like the original GT500 its just lame AF. Good performer for sure tho..... Just boring!

Not so sure on that. The Hellcat is popular, currently, but it's only been a thing since 2015. These other cars have 50 years worth of history. I think the jury is out on exactly what the Hellcats will be worth in the future. They haven't been around long enough to determine what their long-term lifespan looks like. It's one thing to invest in a car, but another to invest in one that has expensive parts that can't be replaced.

Most Camaros and Corvettes are worthless, this is true. But, unlike Hellcats, they make a LOT of them and in a lot of different trim levels. C4-C5 common Corvettes are worth nothing. However, the special edition C5-C6-C7, Z06, ZR1, some of the Grand Sports, can be worth a lot. The C8 market is a sh-tshow. Not even KBB can give an evaluation as to the value of them due to identical cars selling for anywhere between $70,000 and $120,000.

All I know is that when you compare the Hellcat to the C8 market right now, the C8 is in far higher demand, even with a much higher supply. In the first 2 years, there have been over 43,000 C8s made. Almost all of them are worth 20k more than their MSRP on the retail market. That's one big difference between the Vette and the Hellcat. Even with 12k+ miles on a 1-year old model, they're still bringing 10-15k above their MSRP on used lots. Overall, the demand for the C8 is much higher than it is for the Hellcat.

Dodge only makes around 8,000 Hellcat powered vehicles per year. They're much more rare than the Mustangs, Camaros, and Corvettes. With the low production, their order wait times are typically less than 5 months. Compared to the C8, which is made in 3x more volume, the average wait for a new order is 14-18 months. If the same desirability scales into the future, what you're looking at is a far more rare of a car, with a smaller niche market of buyers. As I've mentioned before, you have to be a Mopar fan and LOVE the car to want one, as they're deficient in many ways, but they do offer a unique experience. The problem is the price doesn't match the quality and features. How this will affect the future market is yet to be seen. An expensive 100k car sold new in 2022 doesn't mean that's reflective of its value. Remember, the reason why the prices are high right now is solely due to the end-of-life of the Hellcats coming in the short production run next year.

It's entirely plausible that Hellcats could be worth more than C8s or Shelby Mustangs in the future. But, they could also greatly decrease in value due to the preponderance of modified cars and long-term reliability issues, coupled with an overall much smaller market of potential buyers. The reason why the top-end halo cars (C8/C7 Z06/GT500 etc.) tend to hold long-term value well is due to the fact that Ford and Chevy made many tens of thousands of them and have long-standing parts availability. In comparison, Dodge makes far less and they don't have parts availability for NEW cars. We'll see how this pans out. If the Hellcats run into major parts shortages in 5-10 years, you'll see them have serious valuation issues for any car that isn't a kept garage queen.