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Got a good up close look at the Grand Wagoneer at my kids school the other night in the parking lot when there for the spring concert.

Is it nice? Yeah, it's a "nice" vehicle. Is it worth the crazy price and/or would I buy one? Absolutely not unless it was a "Koons under MSRP with a power dollars size rebate" type deal.
 

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Got a good up close look at the Grand Wagoneer at my kids school the other night in the parking lot when there for the spring concert.

Is it nice? Yeah, it's a "nice" vehicle. Is it worth the crazy price and/or would I buy one? Absolutely not unless it was a "Koons under MSRP with a power dollars size rebate" type deal.
I can't get over the horrible front end on both models.
 

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I can't get over the horrible front end on both models.
I don't like the stupid rear side window so many are going to with that curve upwards on the bottom edge before the back pillar.

And yes, both this and GC fronts look like some fat ass Sat on the hood and scrunched the grill.

OH, and.........rotary gear selector! Because everyone liked that shitty thing on the Durango and 300s. But Stellantis says you are going to like it! And they know what you should like!
 
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Tough decisions have to be made when resources are limited. Stellantis didn't cause any of this, the blame lies squarely elsewhere. I'm ashamed of myself for watching part of the video and upping this guy's view count but after listening to him talk I wouldn't consider him any expert on anything. He's probably a disgruntled supplier trying to air dirty laundry to get back at Stellantis for his perceived grievances. Youtube has become nothing but a cesspool of influencers (AKA whores) and self-proclaimed experts. Is there really nothing else to do besides watch idiots on Youtube?
 

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I don't like the stupid rear side window so many are going to with that curve upwards on the bottom edge before the back pillar.

And yes, both this and GC fronts look like some fat ass Sat on the hood and scrunched the grill.

OH, and.........rotary gear selector! Because everyone liked that shitty thing on the Durango and 300s. But Stellantis says you are going to like it! And they know what you should like!
I do not like the rotary gear selector on my ram. I always have double check to make sure I put it in park and not turned down the radio volume.
 

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I do not like the rotary gear selector on my ram. I always have double check to make sure I put it in park and not turned down the radio volume.
The rotary gear selector took a few days to get used to for me but, seriously? The volume knob is half the size of the rotary gear selector, is a whole lot closer and the volume knob takes far less effort to turn. If you have to "double check to make sure [you] put it in park and not turned down the radio volume" then you probably have a long list of things to double check before you open the door.
 

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The more I think about it, this guy probably couldn't order the car he wanted so he's now taking the very mature route of making a stupid YouTube video to try to "shame" Stellantis into making his car.
 

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The rotary gear selector took a few days to get used to for me but, seriously? The volume knob is half the size of the rotary gear selector, is a whole lot closer and the volume knob takes far less effort to turn. If you have to "double check to make sure [you] put it in park and not turned down the radio volume" then you probably have a long list of things to double check before you open the door.
Was trying to be sarcastic. Sounds like you are an expert on knobs. So I’ll agree with your statement.
 

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Got a good up close look at the Grand Wagoneer at my kids school the other night in the parking lot when there for the spring concert.

Is it nice? Yeah, it's a "nice" vehicle. Is it worth the crazy price and/or would I buy one? Absolutely not unless it was a "Koons under MSRP with a power dollars size rebate" type deal.
I agree, the Wagoneer is highly overrated
 

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I do not like the rotary gear selector on my ram. I always have double check to make sure I put it in park and not turned down the radio volume.
You know if you just turn the ram off in anything other than park it auto-places in park, right?
 
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