[sleepingweasal]

Cannot find a post on this site using search about this topic, so here goes:

I have been hearing a lot of people talking about SRT being shut down. No, not really. It is true the small department is TECHNICALLY shut down, but they are actually doing the same exact work, on high performance, red white and blue, eagle screaming, American muscle. Here is an article from MotorTrend with clarification from Stellantis.

Stellantis Disbands SRT Team; New SRT Models Still Planned, Though

Enthusiasts whose veins popped in their necks over reports that Stellantis is nixing the SRT performance division can breathe a sigh of relief.

www.motortrend.com

 

[Big Swede]

I’ve posted the article before and it will not be the exact same. If you read the article it says don’t count on the same big V8 but look for electric powered cars for the future of performance. We all know this is coming but it doesn’t make it any less depressing. Sure electric cars can be made to have insane performance but they just don’t have the soul or character of a big thumping V8.

 

[Xylander]

Never believe a single world corporate media reps say. I work as a media departmental consultant for the State of Florida. Trust me, when we write press releases, it's about how to make our organization look good first. Truth, facts, and timeliness be damned if it doesn't make the department look good.

 

[sleepingweasal]

Never believe a single world corporate media reps say. I work as a media departmental consultant for the State of Florida. Trust me, when we write press releases, it's about how to make our organization look good first. Truth, facts, and timeliness be damned if it doesn't make the department look good.

Seems like a pretty hard sell. Lets merge these companies, then kill the brand that makes them really really famous and relevant right now. Just don't see that happening. No reason to distrust someone until they give you one. SRT is what makes guys buy lower trims. They crave hellcats, they may not be able to buy one, but they sure do feel cool driving around in "muscle" nonetheless. Hellcats go away, srt goes away, dodge becomes irrelevant.

 

[MJS73]

Why people read corporate press releases (and articles like the one quote linked are just press releases disguised as reporting) and put any faith in them is beyond me.

 

[GreenMachine15]

I agree, but even reporting shows one view. I can't even watch the news anymore, or find an article that is accurate.... Media is driving people insane.
Kids take guns to school, adults take guns to work, protest after protest, suicides, riots, terrorism, etc etc.
No wonder kids are so addicted to this trash being forced into their brains, and believe everything they read, amazing how a fb post can send them spiraling.
My goal is to be the last to know everything about everything. That way, I have the clear truth I guess.

 

[sleepingweasal]

Why people read corporate press releases (and articles like the one quote linked are just press releases disguised as reporting) and put any faith in them is beyond me.

It's not about believing a press release. You didn't read what I wrote obviously. It's about money. Why would they stop selling srt vehicles, when it's their bread and butter. They may not be MOST of their sales, but the SRT line is in fact what helps sell lower trims. That's the point. You guys claim I am blindly believing a company, you're also blindly being cynical about everything they say being a lie. It's the same thing. What I said is just common sense and based on the company's claims. What you're saying is conspiracy to some extent. Big difference. This reminds me a lot of the military, I'm a war veteran. We have to constantly gather intelligence from our sources that may or may not be wrong, but like I said, no reason to distrust a source until they give you one. I've learned this the hard way, and I'm certain unless you've served in life or death situations where trusting information blindly can get you or your team killed, you definitely don't know this better than me. Luckily, this isn't life or death, so we must examine FACTS.
Fact: due to American political climate, its likely Biden will not have a second term.
Guess what that likely means, republican presidency again, and relaxed epa standards. Stellantis knows this. You should too. But maybe not. Why would they kill their best cars when they have YEARS to conform to electric, with a likely outgoing democratic party? They also, in the article I'm not sure you read or interpreted correctly, says the srt line will remain, but the future will consist of electric powertrain. So please explain what about any of that is blind faith? Govt says go electric, stellantis says they are. They also say that's where srt is headed... literally nothing shady. This is simple information gathering and interpretation based on real world circumstances and likely outcomes, assessing situations is not for everyone, and any assessment can be wrong. Remember this post, and look at it in 5 years. I'd bet the SRT line is still around by then.

 

[MJS73]

It's not about believing a press release. You didn't read what I wrote obviously. It's about money. Why would they stop selling srt vehicles, when it's their bread and butter. They may not be MOST of their sales, but the SRT line is in fact what helps sell lower trims. That's the point. You guys claim I am blindly believing a company, you're also blindly being cynical about everything they say being a lie. It's the same thing. What I said is just common sense and based on the company's claims. What you're saying is conspiracy to some extent. Big difference. This reminds me a lot of the military, I'm a war veteran. We have to constantly gather intelligence that may or may not be wrong, but like I said, no reason to distrust a source until they give you one. I've learned this the hard way.
Further, due to American political climate, its likely Biden will not have a second term. Guess what that likely means, republican presidency again, and relaxed epa standards. Stellantis knows this. You should too. But maybe not. Why would they kill their best cars when they have YEARS to conform to electric, with a likely outgoing democratic party? They also, in the article I'm not sure you read or interpreted correctly, says the srt line will remain, but the future will consist of electric powertrain. So please explain what about any of that is blind faith? Govt says go electric, stellantis says they are. They also say that's where srt is headed... literally nothing shady. Good try though.

They're not. But they have to say things to make investors happy.

 

[sleepingweasal]

They're not. But they have to say things to make investors happy.

This is true but it works both ways. They could be saying they're keeping srt and going electric, and not have any actual plans to go electric, or plan to go all electric and kill srt quietly as possible. But it wouldn't make sense financially. I can totally see an electric hellcat, let's call it the lightning cat or electrocat for fun. Lol. Either way, it seems pretty far off. In the end it's ALWAYS about money. Dont fix it if it ain't broken.

 

[MJS73]

This is true but it works both ways. They could be saying they're keeping srt and going electric, and not have any actual plans to go electric, or plan to go all electric and kill srt quietly as possible. But it wouldn't make sense financially. I can totally see an electric hellcat, let's call it the lightning cat or electrocat for fun. Lol. Either way, it seems pretty far off. In the end it's ALWAYS about money. Dont fix it if it ain't broken.

This is true but it works both ways. They could be saying they're keeping srt and going electric, and not have any actual plans to go electric, or plan to go all electric and kill srt quietly as possible. But it wouldn't make sense financially. I can totally see an electric hellcat, let's call it the lightning cat or electrocat for fun. Lol. Either way, it seems pretty far off. In the end it's ALWAYS about money. Dont fix it if it ain't broken.

And so...why people read corporate press releases (and articles like the one quote linked are just press releases disguised as reporting) and put any faith in them is beyond me.

 

[Xylander]

Oh they'll keep making SRT vehicles. They just won't have any SRT in them. What they also didn't tell you is that half of the SRT team resigned. The other half was split up between other companies underneath the Stellantis umbrella. So, your idea of them still making SRT cars is not accurate. SRT is done, dead, gone. Some are working at Citroen, others will be at Peugeot, a few stayed at Dodge, some were sent to Fiat. You'll still get SRT Hellcats until they cancel them. But you'll also get Fiat SRT 500s, Citroen SRT DS 9s, Peugeot SRT 308s, Dodge Durango SRTs, Jeep Wrangler SRTs, and Ram 1500 SRTs.

It's basically the same thing Chevy did when they put an SS badge on nearly every available bowtie model from the Cavalier to the Caprice.

To put it into perspective, compare it to the New England Patriots. Take the team, break it up and send some to one team, others here, others there... then still expect the Patriots to make the Super Bowl. How'd that work out in 2020?

 

[sleepingweasal]

Oh they'll keep making SRT vehicles. They just won't have any SRT in them. What they also didn't tell you is that half of the SRT team resigned. The other half was split up between other companies underneath the Stellantis umbrella. So, your idea of them still making SRT cars is not accurate. SRT is done, dead, gone. Some are working at Citroen, others will be at Peugeot, a few stayed at Dodge, some were sent to Fiat. You'll still get SRT Hellcats until they cancel them. But you'll also get Fiat SRT 500s, Citroen SRT DS 9s, Peugeot SRT 308s, Dodge Durango SRTs, Jeep Wrangler SRTs, and Ram 1500 SRTs.

It's basically the same thing Chevy did when they put an SS badge on nearly every available bowtie model from the Cavalier to the Caprice.

To put it into perspective, compare it to the New England Patriots. Take the team, break it up and send some to one team, others here, others there... then still expect the Patriots to make the Super Bowl. How'd that work out in 2020?

Oh and where is the evidence the SRT team resigned? Thats an interesting claim. I always see people making claims, like "election fraud," as someone implied, yet nobody ever actually can support these types of claims with evidence. Who are the people that resigned? What are their names? Where is your source. This kind of stuff is laughable. Try harder guys. I can claim I own a Ferrari. But if I cant show it to you why would you believe me?

 

[2ndAmend]

Yes X, please show us where the "media", aka "new religion" says we should believe what you say. Because as we all know and "believe", whatever popular media says is fact, and anything contrary should rightly be cancelled, and any dissenters should be put in prison!

Remember Galileo.

(Edit: Just want to clarify that the first part above was an attempt at sarcasm.)

 

[sleepingweasal]

Yes X, please show us where the "media", aka "new religion" says we should believe what you say. Because as we all know and "believe", whatever popular media says is fact, and anything contrary should rightly be cancelled, and any dissenters should be put in prison!

Remember Galileo.

The media is pretty ridiculous. Everyone here knows what really matters.

 

[ALongGuy]

The media is pretty ridiculous. Everyone here knows what really matters.
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[Xylander]

Yes X, please show us where the "media", aka "new religion" says we should believe what you say. Because as we all know and "believe", whatever popular media says is fact, and anything contrary should rightly be cancelled, and any dissenters should be put in prison!

Remember Galileo.

Well, there's at least a dozen Glassdoor reviews claiming that they resigned rather than be forced to move to Europe, accept lesser pay, or be forced into a lower ranking position to fit into the new team. There were a few SRT team members posting hate messages on Twitter the day after the press announced it. I canceled my own Twitter account, so I don't have those links.

I have worked for large, global corporations. Anytime there is a restructuring, for any reason, there is significant loss of human capital. FCA does not have a good track record in the automotive industry, and by extension, Dodge, as a great or even nice place to work. In the US, they're rated far behind Ford and Chevrolet in terms of compensation, work-life balance, opportunity, and overall worker satisfaction. So, I tend to believe what I read on Glassdoor... that a company, whose members already don't like working there, wants to pack you up and make you change countries...

You don't think they resigned or took a severance? Sure, some folks stayed, but I am willing to bet that the 50% resignation rate is conservative. I'd also be willing to bet that Ford and Chevrolet picked up more SRT members than Stellantis did.

 

[frictioncircle]

SRT does not have to = 392 and blown 6.2....it just has to be the performance sub brand...we all know that will be some form of electrification and lower weight and more aerodynamic efficiency..

 

[sleepingweasal]

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Hahaha that's great

 

[sleepingweasal]

SRT does not have to = 392 and blown 6.2....it just has to be the performance sub brand...we all know that will be some form of electrification and lower weight and more aerodynamic efficiency..

Yeah that's what I tried to explain, dude didn't read the article. Just wanted to attack what I said, even though it's pretty clear that's what it says. It also doesn't say they will stop making cats anytime soon. Which they don't need to.

 

[sleepingweasal]

Well, there's at least a dozen Glassdoor reviews claiming that they resigned rather than be forced to move to Europe, accept lesser pay, or be forced into a lower ranking position to fit into the new team. There were a few SRT team members posting hate messages on Twitter the day after the press announced it. I canceled my own Twitter account, so I don't have those links.

I have worked for large, global corporations. Anytime there is a restructuring, for any reason, there is significant loss of human capital. FCA does not have a good track record in the automotive industry, and by extension, Dodge, as a great or even nice place to work. In the US, they're rated far behind Ford and Chevrolet in terms of compensation, work-life balance, opportunity, and overall worker satisfaction. So, I tend to believe what I read on Glassdoor... that a company, whose members already don't like working there, wants to pack you up and make you change countries...

You don't think they resigned or took a severance? Sure, some folks stayed, but I am willing to bet that the 50% resignation rate is conservative. I'd also be willing to bet that Ford and Chevrolet picked up more SRT members than Stellantis did.

See that's the thing. I WANT to believe you, but what you are saying is in fact speculation. I can't find these Twitter posts, or whatever the Glassdoor review is. Please provide links to such evidence, instead of a copout when asked for evidence, like sorry don't have a Twitter but I know it's there... that's what we call a lack of supporting evidence. Not trying to argue, I genuinely just don't like people spreading false rumors and speculation. That's what they are if no actual proof exists. You can also call it a conspiracy theory.