[dsb]

Assume I bought a HC and anticipate it will be a rare collectible item 25 years later. How people will value a HC at that time?

Now comes a test: if you have $100k now, would you buy a 1998 model year old school V8 pre-owned, or a brand new 2024 C63 AMG with 4-cyl turbo + electric motor? One is pure V8 with less hp, another one is only 4 cylinder but with the help of electric motor to get much higher output.

1998 Lincoln Mark VIII with <900 miles on the clock: 1998 Lincoln Mark VIII With 898 Miles Can Be Yours For $105,000

2024 C63 AMG: 2024 Mercedes-AMG C63 Silences Doubters with a 671-HP Hybrid Wallop

I can see how we make decision for the above example, will be exactly how people value the HC after 25 years. Thoughts?

 

[White Trash]

Buy the Mercedes Benz

 

[baabootoo]

Assume I bought a HC and anticipate it will be a rare collectible item 25 years later. How people will value a HC at that time?

Now comes a test: if you have $100k now, would you buy a 1998 model year old school V8 pre-owned, or a brand new 2024 C63 AMG with 4-cyl turbo + electric motor? One is pure V8 with less hp, another one is only 4 cylinder but with the help of electric motor to get much higher output.

1998 Lincoln Mark VIII with <900 miles on the clock: 1998 Lincoln Mark VIII With 898 Miles Can Be Yours For $105,000

2024 C63 AMG: 2024 Mercedes-AMG C63 Silences Doubters with a 671-HP Hybrid Wallop

I can see how we make decision for the above example, will be exactly how people value the HC after 25 years. Thoughts?

Elephant in the room????????? Being only 15, can you afford a $120K car now? 😂

 

[beep-beep-vroom]

Buying a car as a long term investment? Nope.

 

[motorheadmike]

The only thing I am investing in, is myself.

The world will be a very different place in 25 years... it might even be a post-nuclear wasteland. Carpe Diem, and live in the moment.

 

[Ace1894]

Buy what you dig. Don’t worry about what it will be worth in 25 years. Not a soul here, or anywhere else, knows.

 

[Long Island SRT]

 

[rammy]

Considering you can pick up a clean mark viii with under 100k miles for about $10,000, I'm gonna say it's a rip.

But if you are looking for an investment car these are both bad investments.

I restore muscle cars for pretty big margins. HC's are probably good cars to sit on, but I'm here for a good time not a long time so I just enjoy mine.

 

[MJS73]

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The best way to have a million dollars from collecting cars is to start with two million.

 

[hutchman]

....but I'm here for a good time not a long time so I just enjoy mine.

Thank you George!

 

[Xylander]

Neither of the listed cars are investment worthy. The Lincoln was a zero when new, and it's still a zero today. The Mercedes is neat now, but like almost all non-AMG GT Mercedes cars, they lose 80% of their value in 8 years. Anything they gain over time rarely recoups that initial loss. BMW and Porsche are very similar when talking about anything other than the tip top trim models.

Now, if you want to talk 80s-90s collectibles to invest in that are still affordable, I'd suggest looking at the 944 Turbo market. They're still fairly affordable if well kept and low miles... but they've been showing signs of increases lately (turbo only, leave the plain 944 alone). If you want to play gambling games, you can safely snag one of these for 20k and in 3-4 years it might be worth 50k. I don't think they'll lose any, at all, so the risk of losing out on the investment is minimal. In comparison to the HC market, it's highly volatile. It might go up in the next 5 years, then will probably crater hard for the next 10 years before the actual collector grade cars survive long enough to be collectible. It's a crap shoot though. The HCs haven't been around long enough to judge long-term dependability and road worthiness. For collector cars that will remain low miles, this isn't an issue directly. However, if for example the HC engines start losing compression in 10 years or 100,000 miles at some large rate of occurrence, then that will drive down costs for non-collector cars and drive up repair costs as parts supplies begins to reduce. Thus, keeping one of these might end up being similar to the upkeep on a money pit of a boat. We won't know for a while. All of these things factor in to the collectible market's future predictions.

One word example: Maserati.

 

[BigDaddyEureka]

Buying a car as a long term investment? Nope.

^^THIS^^

If you are buying to have something to enjoy then totally get whichever speaks to you. As an investment is a crap shoot and you could do better buying an I-bond or some other longer term investment if you have the time horizon to work with.

FWIW I'm running this experiment IRL right now. I purchased a 1992 Corvette and then had Lingenfelter tune it. 400 HP, 400 TQ at the wheels, and the only one that color known to exist. We drove it for 65k miles and have stored it for the last few years.

Original investment was $30k for the car and $5k for Lingenfelter's work. Similar cars on BaT are going for between $15k and $25k right now...and that's 30 years on!

At this point I'll probably run it enough to keep it healthy and then sell when it comes back up to where I get back what I've got into it. That makes it a TERRIBLE investment strategy, other than the smiles it put on our faces, good family memories, and a sort of discount psychotherapy.

Hope this helps!

 

[BigDaddyEureka]

Neither of the listed cars are investment worthy. The Lincoln was a zero when new, and it's still a zero today. The Mercedes is neat now, but like almost all non-AMG GT Mercedes cars, they lose 80% of their value in 8 years. Anything they gain over time rarely recoups that initial loss. BMW and Porsche are very similar when talking about anything other than the tip top trim models.

Now, if you want to talk 80s-90s collectibles to invest in that are still affordable, I'd suggest looking at the 944 Turbo market. They're still fairly affordable if well kept and low miles... but they've been showing signs of increases lately (turbo only, leave the plain 944 alone). If you want to play gambling games, you can safely snag one of these for 20k and in 3-4 years it might be worth 50k. I don't think they'll lose any, at all, so the risk of losing out on the investment is minimal. In comparison to the HC market, it's highly volatile. It might go up in the next 5 years, then will probably crater hard for the next 10 years before the actual collector grade cars survive long enough to be collectible. It's a crap shoot though. The HCs haven't been around long enough to judge long-term dependability and road worthiness. For collector cars that will remain low miles, this isn't an issue directly. However, if for example the HC engines start losing compression in 10 years or 100,000 miles at some large rate of occurrence, then that will drive down costs for non-collector cars and drive up repair costs as parts supplies begins to reduce. Thus, keeping one of these might end up being similar to the upkeep on a money pit of a boat. We won't know for a while. All of these things factor in to the collectible market's future predictions.

I agree with this too. One of the things i've been surprised by is how well the current and one generation old 911s have been holding up. They are truly amazing cars to drive so that helps. Still, they do depreciate a little...it's just surprising how little for what they are - even the base trim versions.

 

[toekneethetiger]

Write this down.. I just caught a glimpse of the futre while having a relaxing sit in the reading room.

They'll be worth right around $50M. Unfortunately, that will be in the neighborhood of $1,500.00 USD value at that point. lol

 

[NeverEnough]

I just wish all the older cars I want now were not all the ones that went stupid high in price/value LOL

 

[sleeper_redeye]

That mark will get down. And I ain’t kiddin ya

 

[16GoManGoHC]

Anything with a battery will be useless in 10 years let alone 25. Gasoline in 25 years?? Maybe not?? There might not even be life on this earth in 25 years the way the world is going.

 

[Ace1894]

Anything with a battery will be useless in 10 years let alone 25. Gasoline in 25 years?? Maybe not?? There might not even be life on this earth in 25 years the way the world is going.

Sooo, you‘re an optimist!

 

[Rockster]

Assume I bought a HC and anticipate it will be a rare collectible item 25 years later. How people will value a HC at that time?

Now comes a test: if you have $100k now, would you buy a 1998 model year old school V8 pre-owned, or a brand new 2024 C63 AMG with 4-cyl turbo + electric motor? One is pure V8 with less hp, another one is only 4 cylinder but with the help of electric motor to get much higher output.

1998 Lincoln Mark VIII with <900 miles on the clock: 1998 Lincoln Mark VIII With 898 Miles Can Be Yours For $105,000

2024 C63 AMG: 2024 Mercedes-AMG C63 Silences Doubters with a 671-HP Hybrid Wallop

I can see how we make decision for the above example, will be exactly how people value the HC after 25 years. Thoughts?

A collectible car -- but in who knows how many years? -- might be an early example of a Dodge EV.

But with $100K now I'd not buy any car but invest in stocks. The market is down quite a bit -- even after a bit of a "rally" the last 2 days -- and $100K invested now could return a nice gain.

Back in June of 2016 when UK voted to leave the EU and the market dropped -- not nearly as much then as it is now -- I put $75K into the market in the form of buying shares in a mutual fund that was intended to equal the S&P 500 Index's performance. In Feb. 2018 when I bought my Hellcat (with other money I had saved) that $75K was worth around $100K. Then when I traded in the Hellcat in Nov. 2020 for a 2020 Scat Pack while I was allowed $54K trade in for the Hellcat that $75K invested in the stock market in June 2016 was worth $129K. Even with the market down it is worth around $132K now. A bit over 6 years ago.

Sure, some cars turn out to be worth a lot after X number of years. But invariably worth a lot for some other owner the original one having sold the car way before it became really valuable. Or his heirs sold the car to get it out of the garage so they could sell his house.

If you want to spend $100K on a car buy a car you want and will enjoy. $100K for a car is a lot of money to sit and stare at hoping some day it will be worth something -- even what you paid for it -- and in the meantime be no fun to drive.

Keep in mind what it will cost you to insure that Hellcat.

Oh, earlier this year I looked at buying an AMG C43. A 2022. Just a 6-cylinder turbo-charged gas engine, no hybrid electric stuff. Found several examples around but none within 190 miles of me. A swap with my local dealer for the an AMG at the distant dealer was not going to happen. The distant dealer wanted to hang on to his cars to sell them retail not to another dealer.

I ended up buying a 2022 BMW 230i. Cost about $20K less than I would have paid for the AMG. Believe it is a better car at least a better handling car. Sure is fun to drive. Looked at other M-B vehicles (Oh, I have owned and have really enjoyed since August 2020 a M-B Metris cargo van for my "daily driver" and the M-B dealer here is fantastic.) But that electric motor crap turned me off.

 

[WickedHEMI]

Anything with a battery will be useless in 10 years let alone 25. Gasoline in 25 years?? Maybe not?? There might not even be life on this earth in 25 years the way the world is going.

There will be life, but hardly any of it will be intelligent. Just a bunch of stupid people watching each other on TikTok