[rosco11]

My brother owns a transmission shop in Houston. Recently my 16 Scatpack with a manual had a transmission problem. The input shaft was chewed up because the pilot busing failed. The input shaft on this 2016 car was DISCONTINUED by dodge.

He currently has a 2016 Hellcat in his yard for transmission work. It is an automatic and needed a new case and other parts. The case is DISCONTINUED by dodge. The other parts he needed were not available and not in stock. That owner is going to pay over 7k before he drives his car again no matter of my brother does the work or Dodge does. He is going to have the customer take it to dodge because he does not want to have to deal with what other parts might be discontinued or unavailable.

Dodge is eliminating the secondary market by DISCONTINUING repair parts so you are forced to buy a new unit from Dodge and Dodge only to make repairs. So instead of a 2500 dollar rebuild charge at a transmission shop or even from Dodge, you will be spending over 5000 for a new transmission.

That saves Dodge from paying for a transmission specialist at dealerships and reduces shop time by swapping instead of repairing and gets them just as much money or more on markup for parts and a general wrench turner instead of a specialist.

There used to be a federal law requiring auto manufacturers to make parts for 10 years. Apparently it is gone and Dodge is the first one to start capitalizing on it. You would be well advised to sell yours as soon as the factory warrantee expires and not buy anything more than a year or two old if you buy used.

I have purchased my last dodge product.

 

[baabootoo]

Slow down partner............ So the A8 transmission case for the 2016 and older has been discontinued? What case are they using in the 2017 and newer then? How did the A8 case fail? Any other shops verify this? I have a 2015 so wonder.

 

[Slowpoke387]

Could just be a supplier issue. Pretty sure the ten year thing is still in effect. Are you guessing or is that fact? Source?
TBH I always thought the ten year law pertained strictly to availability from dealers and not sourced anywhere else anyway. I think they just have to produce parts for ten years.

 

[MJS73]

My brother owns a transmission shop in Houston. Recently my 16 Scatpack with a manual had a transmission problem. The input shaft was chewed up because the pilot busing failed. The input shaft on this 2016 car was DISCONTINUED by dodge.

He currently has a 2016 Hellcat in his yard for transmission work. It is an automatic and needed a new case and other parts. The case is DISCONTINUED by dodge. The other parts he needed were not available and not in stock. That owner is going to pay over 7k before he drives his car again no matter of my brother does the work or Dodge does. He is going to have the customer take it to dodge because he does not want to have to deal with what other parts might be discontinued or unavailable.

Dodge is eliminating the secondary market by DISCONTINUING repair parts so you are forced to buy a new unit from Dodge and Dodge only to make repairs. So instead of a 2500 dollar rebuild charge at a transmission shop or even from Dodge, you will be spending over 5000 for a new transmission.

That saves Dodge from paying for a transmission specialist at dealerships and reduces shop time by swapping instead of repairing and gets them just as much money or more on markup for parts and a general wrench turner instead of a specialist.

There used to be a federal law requiring auto manufacturers to make parts for 10 years. Apparently it is gone and Dodge is the first one to start capitalizing on it. You would be well advised to sell yours as soon as the factory warrantee expires and not buy anything more than a year or two old if you buy used.

I have purchased my last dodge product.

This is big news...20 years ago...and is how the auto industry is today (hell, it's how the world is today, try and buy repair parts from Apple and see how far you get). If you've purchased your last Dodge because of this then you've purchased your last car.

 

[PolePosition]

Whew... Based on the thread title, I thought the OP was going to warn us all to slow down because Hellcats are too fast!

 

[Frosty]

Wouldn't he buy an input shaft from Tremec? What have they said? I wouldn't expect Dodge to sell individual internal parts of a transmission in the first place as Dodge would just be swapping it out in the first place. Guess I've never looked at the parts counter that close but do people really buy individual internal parts of a transmission or engine over the counter? Would someone go to a Dodge Dealership to buy a wrist pin for instance?

 

[slicks]

My 2020 HCWB was a 6 speed and my mechanic told me that was first time he saw the unit was sealed from factory? What ever that means ( GUESS THEY CANNOT WORK ON IT?? )
Thoughts maybe ties into what your saying as it turned out 2020 was last year you could buy a 6 speed in hellcat

 

[rosco11]

Slow down partner............ So the A8 transmission case for the 2016 and older has been discontinued? What case are they using in the 2017 and newer then? How did the A8 case fail? Any other shops verify this? I have a 2015 so wonder.

It is the same case as the 2019. Discontinued. Not out of stock. Not unavailable. Discontinued. Can look it up for yourself. Same with the input shaft for the manuals which also are in the 2019. Discontinued. There is a work around for the manual input shaft. Take it to a machine shop have them cut it down with a lathe and put a busing on the end which they can cut down to spec. As far as the 8 speed case, salvage yard.

As for some of the internals on the 8 speed, SOL. Maybe find a good junk yard unit or buy a new one from Dodge. BTW, the gears inside the hellcats have different ratios than the HEMI. So you cant just swap it out for one of them. You need to find one from a Hellcat in the salvage yard.

Or again, buy a new unit from Dodge.

this is going to save Dodge tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars every year. instead of mass producing parts that sit on a shelf that might sell some day, they only need to carry the whole transmission.

Buyer beware.

 

[Unholy707]

Ya know what, I did notice that on some parts. But all you have to do is go on eBay and look for a warehouse that buys up NOS parts. Problem solved. I’ve done this before with my car for an engine harness. Places but up discontinued stock and sell it at a heavy discount

 

[Unholy707]

Also, when have you ever been able to buy an 8hp90 case by itself? Never. Always needed to provide a core back. You have never been able to order hard parts for the 8hp90. Calling bs on your mechanic not knowing what he’s talking about. Usually always have to buy an entire unit for transmissions. Sorry. I had my 6 speed replaced under warranty. They were going to try to rebuild it and realized that “individual gears aren’t sold, we replace the entire unit”. It’s always been that way for transmissions, because they’re not serviceable like an engine. Usually a transmission will last the life of a car, they don’t say “change your torque converter every 50k miles” and even that’s a “wear” item that can be purchased separately from the entire trans. And they can be rebuilt. With aftermarket clutch packs, pistons and valve bodies. But the case? No, that’s the main part of a core, could never get a case on its own. How the heck do you destroy the case.

 

[Unholy707]

end rant

 

[TXRedEye]

Plenty of upgraded HP90s out there rather than stock parts from Dodge.

 

[rosco11]

Ya know what, I did notice that on some parts. But all you have to do is go on eBay and look for a warehouse that buys up NOS parts. Problem solved. I’ve done this before with my car for an engine harness. Places but up discontinued stock and sell it at a heavy discount

yea, i looked on ebay, googled it, and nowhere did anyone have an input shaft. Even at the mopar parts places. There is not one in the USA for sale from anyone. The tr6060 is used in some fords and a lot of chevys like the camaro. But the length is different for the application and the gear on the end of it also varies. You can pick up one for a GM on e-bay for 1/3 the price of what Dodge lists their discontinued one for and plenty to be found. But not for Dodge. So you can still get bearings and shims for them through GM. Just not the vehicle specific parts.

BTW to the poster than said you never need a case. The case is part of the pump. When it gets warped, you need a new case or you need to find a shop that has the ability to mill it flat again if it is not too bad. Same for GM and Ford. The dealer will not mill the case or pump period. They use a new one. Well, everyone but Dodge anyway.

I am only giving you a warning. If you buy new and trade it in when the factory warrantee is up, its all good. But of you buy used, stay away from the manuals altogether. When you start having issues, sell it quick.

 

[JMAbacus]

Plenty of upgraded HP90s out there rather than stock parts from Dodge.

The cost to replace the entire transmission is positive on the Hellcat from my perspective. Have seen the horror stories on the DCT replacement cost on both the GT500 and the GT-R. Looking at around 25K. I don't need a DCT that shifts a millisecond faster - I need a transmission that can hold HP and does not break the bank to replace. If not for the DCT issues I would give the GT-R a more serious look.

 

[18WIDECAT]

old parts get superseded by new part, often times with little to no real changes to the part itself.
old part number will then show 'discontinued"
Mopar is notorious for doing it. Nothing new and certainly not some conspiracy by dodge, to kill off the supply of repair parts....

 

[Unholy707]

yea, i looked on ebay, googled it, and nowhere did anyone have an input shaft. Even at the mopar parts places. There is not one in the USA for sale from anyone. The tr6060 is used in some fords and a lot of chevys like the camaro. But the length is different for the application and the gear on the end of it also varies. You can pick up one for a GM on e-bay for 1/3 the price of what Dodge lists their discontinued one for and plenty to be found. But not for Dodge. So you can still get bearings and shims for them through GM. Just not the vehicle specific parts.

BTW to the poster than said you never need a case. The case is part of the pump. When it gets warped, you need a new case or you need to find a shop that has the ability to mill it flat again if it is not too bad. Same for GM and Ford. The dealer will not mill the case or pump period. They use a new one. Well, everyone but Dodge anyway.

I am only giving you a warning. If you buy new and trade it in when the factory warrantee is up, its all good. But of you buy used, stay away from the manuals altogether. When you start having issues, sell it quick.

What?!? The pump you can buy. Look it up right now. It’s not part of the case. Go buy a GM then bud. Show me a GM dealer that is going to do machine work on a transmission lol. What you should do is get an RPM built tr6060 fork up the money or don’t abuse your car. People with hellcats are used to “pay to play”. Didn’t realize you were a 392 owner

 

[Unholy707]

Unfollowing.

 

[rosco11]

The cost to replace the entire transmission is positive on the Hellcat from my perspective. Have seen the horror stories on the DCT replacement cost on both the GT500 and the GT-R. Looking at around 25K. I don't need a DCT that shifts a millisecond faster - I need a transmission that can hold HP and does not break the bank to replace. If not for the DCT issues I would give the GT-R a more serious look.
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What?!? The pump you can buy. Look it up right now. It’s not part of the case. Go buy a GM then bud. Show me a GM dealer that is going to do machine work on a transmission lol. What you should do is get an RPM built tr6060 fork up the money or don’t abuse your car. People with hellcats are used to “pay to play”. Didn’t realize you were a 392 owner

Look at the part. It bolts to the housing. The housing has channels cut into it for fluid and is part of the pump. Most automatic transmissions are like this. Saves money. After time from heat the housing warps but it warps with the pump because it is attached. Which is fine until you have to put a new pump on it that is not warped in the same way. Then you have to either mill the housing for a new pump or replace the housing. Not a lot of transmission shops mill the housings. It is time consuming and takes a measurable amount of skill on the milling machine.

Which leaves finding a shop that can mill the housing BEFORE you let them tear down your transmission and discover it is DISCONTINUED, or roll the dice with a salvage yard unit which we all know only have 50k miles on it before it was pulled.

But not here to tell you how to rebuild a transmission. Just here to give you a warning about this new trend from Dodge to save money. And BTW, Nissan has been doing the same thing for over a decade. They will not sell you or anyone transmission parts. You have to go to them and they sell you a new unit. This is not a new strategy. Just new to an American car manufacture to save money....at your expense.

 

[baabootoo]

Whew... Based on the thread title, I thought the OP was going to warn us all to slow down because Hellcats are too fast!

Yeah, like maybe Big Brother, or State Farm Insurance, is tracking us or something.........

 

[baabootoo]

Plenty of upgraded HP90s out there rather than stock parts from Dodge.

Yeah, like Rossler (Street Outlaws), PTC (Fastest Cars in the Dirty South), or Dunn's (MSO).