[motorheadmike]

This should be a fun and revealing series of videos:

No point in adding power if you cannot hook it up. Their performed as expected at Woodward too.

Interesting how "little" a HC can weigh without all the bloat. Pretty surprised to see how much the rear cradle doesn't weigh. This also reinforces that my plan (weight reduction) is working well... in theory.

 

[Blkout]

Reduction in weight is arguably the best mod you can make. It just costs a lot once you finish stripping parts.

 

[motorheadmike]

Reduction in weight is arguably the best mod you can make. It just costs a lot once you finish stripping parts.

Agreed, both it unleashes power and reduces strain. As for cost: the solution, for me at least, is always with building vs. buying. I taught myself how to TIG weld aluminum last year and started replacing large steel parts with light-weight aluminum parts. I plan to do some composite work this year to compliment that skill set.

Based on the video above, my estimates of having a ~4350lb car stock is pretty accurate. Knocking off the other 200ish lbs with traditional and non-traditional means seems to also be very accurate. In full race mode my car feels like it is missing two doors and a trunk lid. I'd just like to be able to have that and all of the seats still in place. LOL.

 

[Blkout]

200lbs is a huge weight savings and will be very noticeable in every performance aspect.

 

[Turd McGavin]

200lbs is a huge weight savings and will be very noticeable in every performance aspect.

when searching for hundredths of a second on a race track, yes...street driving, no. Do you notice your performance effected when you have a passenger...how about two to three passengers?

 

[motorheadmike]

200lbs is a huge weight savings and will be very noticeable in every performance aspect.

With a stick it makes the car so much nicer to drive.

when searching for hundredths of a second on a race track, yes...street driving, no. Do you notice your performance effected when you have a passenger...how about two to three passengers?

With my wife, kids (and their steel-framed car seats), and a trunk of junk the car is far more cumbersome and requires more clutch and gas manipulation. It's not like I am out street racing with them in the car, nor am I running the car at the track with them either.

 

[Blkout]

when searching for hundredths of a second on a race track, yes...street driving, no. Do you notice your performance effected when you have a passenger...how about two to three passengers?

I can tell when people ride with me vs by myself. Obviously I've never raced with more people than myself in the car at the track because they won't allow it.

 

[SickToo]

200lbs is a huge weight savings and will be very noticeable in every performance aspect.

It’s worth about a tenth and a half

 

[Blkout]

It’s worth about a tenth and a half

That's not a set number, it varies depending on the total vehicle weight. 200lbs from a 4500lb car isn't going to be the same as 200lbs from a 2500lb car. Also, when I said every performance aspect, I was referring to handling as well.

 

[ACMAVRO]

Watching

 

[SickToo]

That's not a set number, it varies depending on the total vehicle weight. 200lbs from a 4500lb car isn't going to be the same as 200lbs from a 2500lb car. Also, when I said every performance aspect, I was referring to handling as well.

That’s why I said “about”

It is true that the lighter the vehicle is to start with the more it will pick up but with a slow heavy street car you will not see more than 1.5 tenths

 

[audocat]

This should be a fun and revealing series of videos:

No point in adding power if you cannot hook it up. Their performed as expected at Woodward too.

Interesting how "little" a HC can weigh without all the bloat. Pretty surprised to see how much the rear cradle doesn't weigh. This also reinforces that my plan (weight reduction) is working well... in theory.

Watched this on you tube and than got caught up in there 55 chevy build! LOL Agree, should be interesting. Thanks!

 

[audocat]

Agreed, both it unleashes power and reduces strain. As for cost: the solution, for me at least, is always with building vs. buying. I taught myself how to TIG weld aluminum last year and started replacing large steel parts with light-weight aluminum parts. I plan to do some composite work this year to compliment that skill set.

Based on the video above, my estimates of having a ~4350lb car stock is pretty accurate. Knocking off the other 200ish lbs with traditional and non-traditional means seems to also be very accurate. In full race mode my car feels like it is missing two doors and a trunk lid. I'd just like to be able to have that and all of the seats still in place. LOL.

Just curious what options can you add / delete from the factory on the hellcat to save weight? I'd think sunroof for sure but what else? Is leather more weight than cloth?

 

[motorheadmike]

Just curious what options can you add / delete from the factory on the hellcat to save weight? I'd think sunroof for sure but what else? Is leather more weight than cloth?

This is for a Challenger, the Charger is heavier right out of the gate.

Don't get:
HK stereo (sub, speakers, amp)
Plus package (power tilt weighs a tonne, the added material to the dash isn't free)
Driver convenience group (adds sensors and harnesses)
Technology group (adds sensors and harnesses)
Anything that isn't the base cloth interior (the ass cooling fans add weight, alcantara and leather is heavier than cloth and is added to a lot of surfaces, a heavier headliner is heavier)
A back seat (deletes the seat and belts)
Block heater (adds a heater coil and harness)
Graphics (its not free)
Hood pins (I got these because I needed them in my life)
Sunroof

Spoiler? (I cannot say if there is a weight savings between either)

Widebody (adds a fair bit of weight, but has offsetting performance advantages).

There used to be a light-weight package that included a non-power column, a smaller washer fluid reservoir and deleted rear floor mats.

And there is a very distinct possibility that the widebody 50th Goldschool/current Redeye wheels are lighter than the standard Devils/Warpspeed/Standard wheels. They are advertised as lighter.

I got a 2019 because that was the first year that the car came without about $8000 worth of standard features, and was therefore lighter and more to my liking. I rolled that back into the widebody and a stick. The widebody also delete the hydraulic powersteering in 2018+, and EPS standard on all models from 2019+ if I recall correctly.

Anyway, just take a huge appetite suppressant and just say no to the options. Portion control.

 

[audocat]

This is for a Challenger, the Charger is heavier right out of the gate.

Don't get:
HK stereo (sub, speakers, amp)
Plus package (power tilt weighs a tonne, the added material to the dash isn't free)
Driver convenience group (adds sensors and harnesses)
Technology group (adds sensors and harnesses)
Anything that isn't the base cloth interior (the ass cooling fans add weight, alcantara and leather is heavier than cloth and is added to a lot of surfaces, a heavier headliner is heavier)
A back seat (deletes the seat and belts)
Block heater (adds a heater coil and harness)
Graphics (its not free)
Hood pins (I got these because I needed them in my life)
Sunroof

Spoiler? (I cannot say if there is a weight savings between either)

Widebody (adds a fair bit of weight, but has offsetting performance advantages).

There used to be a light-weight package that included a non-power column, a smaller washer fluid reservoir and deleted rear floor mats.

And there is a very distinct possibility that the widebody 50th Goldschool/current Redeye wheels are lighter than the standard Devils/Warpspeed/Standard wheels. They are advertised as lighter.

I got a 2019 because that was the first year that the car came without about $8000 worth of standard features, and was therefore lighter and more to my liking. I rolled that back into the widebody and a stick. The widebody also delete the hydraulic powersteering in 2018+, and EPS standard on all models from 2019+ if I recall correctly.

Anyway, just take a huge appetite suppressant and just say no to the options. Portion control.

Thanks for the reply! I probably have most of those minus sunroof and widebody!

 

[motorheadmike]

Thanks for the reply! I probably have most of those minus sunroof and widebody!

No worries. Like I said, pre-2019 most of these cars came standard with some or all of that stuff. It is just the way it is and it didn't slow @moparjim down any. But, for a manual transmission car weight reduction really plays a role in how the car feels and drives.

If you could feel my car at full weight and at race weight you would understand pretty quickly how night and day the transformation is. Obviously the way my car is spec'd out with any automatic transmission it would be much much quicker than what I can do with a stick.

Nonetheless, the extremes the Taylor's went to in their car is a prime example of how much bloat these cars carry for a variety of reasons.

 

[moparjim]

No worries. Like I said, pre-2018 most of these cars came standard with some or all of that stuff. It is just the way it is and it didn't slow @moparjim down any. But, for a manual transmission car weight reduction really plays a role in how the car feels and drives.

If you could feel my car at full weight and at race weight you would understand pretty quickly how night and day the transformation is. Obviously the way my car is spec'd out with any automatic transmission it would be much much quicker than what I can do with a stick.

Nonetheless, the extremes the Taylor's went to in their car is a prime example of how much bloat these cars carry for a variety of reasons.

I have been told by internet racers, my car is gutted. 🤣🤣
Actually from the results of the day we first met at the track.😉

 

[motorheadmike]

I have been told by internet racers, my car is gutted. 🤣🤣
Actually from the results of the day we first met at the track.😉

I just assumed you are a hollowed out husk of a man. Seriously, it's not like you are jockey-sized either.

 

[moparjim]

I just assumed you are a hollowed out husk of a man. Seriously, it's not like you are jockey-sized either.

I guess it's a good thing I never thought of that as a career path. 🤣

 

[hpindy]

No worries. Like I said, pre-2019 most of these cars came standard with some or all of that stuff. It is just the way it is and it didn't slow @moparjim down any. But, for a manual transmission car weight reduction really plays a role in how the car feels and drives.

If you could feel my car at full weight and at race weight you would understand pretty quickly how night and day the transformation is. Obviously the way my car is spec'd out with any automatic transmission it would be much much quicker than what I can do with a stick.

Nonetheless, the extremes the Taylor's went to in their car is a prime example of how much bloat these cars carry for a variety of reasons.

I notice a big difference in my car between its fighting weight and street weight. I am working on weight reduction all the time. some is permanent on the car and affects both street and race . some is race only.