Again, lets see how things pan out with the no more 2015 orders announcement. Hopefully we will see things start moving a bit quicker...thanks guys. Sorry if I'd fussed at anybody, including Dodge....I'll just cool my jets and crawl back in my VON cave. It's not like it's the end of the world if I don't get the car...just love one day to be able to say " yea, this Torred Hellcat is mine....Mopar forever."