[Daytona106]

Hi guy's, still in my break in period on my HC Charger, made a few quick accelerations from a dip ( progressively pressing from 0 to 1/3 on pedal travel ) the tire will break loose on street mode. I cant feel any traction control coming on nore any light flashing in the dash..
Maybe because I am letting go as soon as I feel loss of traction and not at full trottle the T-C does not have time to come on ?
Will eventually try it in a safe environment with more trottle input to see if TC will come on...

How does your TC in street mode behave?

Thanks for feedback

 

[Blickie]

If you are relying on TC to reduce/stop wheel spin, then you are losing. Anyone can spin the rear wheels. Suggest you learn to accelerate so as not to spin the rear wheels.... that's what I do and it can be done. The real skill of driving a HC with 700+ HP is keeping the rear wheels hooked up as you accelerate.... anything other than that and you are losing .

Traction Control Systems are there for slick roads (snow/ice) so the drive wheels don't spin and is designed to maintain traction. They were NEVER designed to hold back 700+ HP. Also, even the Brembo Rear Calipers are not big enough to hold back 700+ HP or even half of that.

For Launches, I do it myself @ 1,000 RPM using left foot on brake and right foot on the gas.... works great and the wheels don't spin and yes I am running stock Pirellis @ 32 PSI in Street Mode.

 

[Club Drew]

Try sport mode?

 

[JeffL]

to answer your question yes traction on street will still allow you to crash. traction control will come on and the light will flash but that happens after.

 

[wardnuke]

to answer your question yes traction on street will still allow you to crash. traction control will come on and the light will flash but that happens after.

Hahahahaha. I like the final part of that comment: "traction control will come on and the light will flash but that happens after". I'm sure some of that "light will flash" stuff is a combination of one's life flashing before their eyes and the flashing of the emergency vehicles / tow truck as it comes to pull your ass out of the ditch (hopefully that's the worst).

 

[baabootoo]

Yes, if you've had GM cars where they act quickly, these are NOT like them.

 

[Daytona106]

If you are relying on TC to reduce/stop wheel spin, then you are losing. Anyone can spin the rear wheels. Suggest you learn to accelerate so as not to spin the rear wheels.... that's what I do and it can be done. The real skill of driving a HC with 700+ HP is keeping the rear wheels hooked up as you accelerate.... anything other than that and you are losing .

Traction Control Systems are there for slick roads (snow/ice) so the drive wheels don't spin and is designed to maintain traction. They were NEVER designed to hold back 700+ HP. Also, even the Brembo Rear Calipers are not big enough to hold back 700+ HP or even half of that.

For Launches, I do it myself @ 1,000 RPM using left foot on brake and right foot on the gas.... works great and the wheels don't spin and yes I am running stock Pirellis @ 32 PSI in Street Mode.

Thanks for the reply but I know how to drive / launch a car, I have been a driving instructor for the Quebec Viper Club for 15 years. I was only asking how your TC was behaving on a technical base. I am learning the car and was asking based on members / owners experiences. I have driven all sorts on car on track with some having more that 700 hp, and they all behave differently. T-C is not relying on rear brake only but on engine management also, so nothing to do with H-P.

 

[SRTCVO]

Your OP reads like a newbie. The TC system is pretty non-intrusive up to a point on these cars. Yes, on full-throttle it is going to dial it back but will still allow more spin than what you might expect. Street is the most conservative so Sport and Track will only result in more tire smoke.

 

[mchart]

Thanks for the reply but I know how to drive / launch a car, I have been a driving instructor for the Quebec Viper Club for 15 years. I was only asking how your TC was behaving on a technical base. I am learning the car and was asking based on members / owners experiences. I have driven all sorts on car on track with some having more that 700 hp, and they all behave differently. T-C is not relying on rear brake only but on engine management also, so nothing to do with H-P.

The newer model years do in fact have an upgraded TC/ESC setup, and will use the rear brakes to help. I forget what year it started, but it is absolutely doing more than just the engine torque management.

 

[moparjim]

@Blickie is correct. Learn to drive it without spinning and don't depend on traction control.
Low end torque and crazy gear multiplication will render traction control virtually useless. Especially down low.
It will be kicking in but not capable of controlling much if you are too aggressive.

 

[Daytona106]

Your OP reads like a newbie. The TC system is pretty non-intrusive up to a point on these cars. Yes, on full-throttle it is going to dial it back but will still allow more spin than what you might expect. Street is the most conservative so Sport and Track will only result in more tire smoke.

Sorry my english is not perfect, but you are right after reading it again sure sounds like that...

 

[Daytona106]

@Blickie is correct. Learn to drive it without spinning and don't depend on traction control.
Low end torque and crazy gear multiplication will render traction control virtually useless. Especially down low.
It will be kicking in but not capable of controlling much if you are too aggressive.

Sure, not relying on TC is a must but every drivers should learn how their car react in all sorts of situation that especially with the TC ESP etc..
That is part of performance driving school : Dont react to you car but act so you dont have to..

 

[Blickie]

Sure, not relying on TC is a must but every drivers should learn how their car react in all sorts of situation that especially with the TC ESP etc..
That is part of performance driving school : Dont react to you car but act so you dont have to..

Maybe if you had let everyone know up front you were a driving instructor, we might/would have answered differently. It's like you set everyone up to fail with their answers.

The way you asked the question and related your experience, it sounded like you expected TC to do something it cannot do on these HCs, both because of the HP and rear brake design. It also sounded like you didn't understand TC, its design purpose and its limitations.

I did relate my experience and the technical knowledge and reasons behind it. If you don't understand the various safety systems, how can you effectively teach someone????

Maybe if you were not so defensive.

Best!

 

[Daytona106]

Maybe if you had let everyone know up front you were a driving instructor, we might/would have answered differently. It's like you set everyone up to fail with their answers.

The way you asked the question and related your experience, it sounded like you expected TC to do something it cannot do on these HCs, both because of the HP and rear brake design. It also sounded like you didn't understand TC, its design purpose and its limitations.

I did relate my experience and the technical knowledge and reasons behind it. If you don't understand the various safety systems, how can you effectively teach so

 

[Daytona106]

Hey Blickie, relax ... Like I said , being French my post might not be as clear as you would like. I am doing my best .Forums are for discussions, I am not trying to offend anybody.
BTW I would love to spend a day at a track event with you , I am sure that would be very interesting !!

 

[DGatzby]

I have tried to smoke in street mode in a ‘19. It resists greatly and it is in the engine management.

 

[David Neibert]

Hi guy's, still in my break in period on my HC Charger, made a few quick accelerations from a dip ( progressively pressing from 0 to 1/3 on pedal travel ) the tire will break loose on street mode. I cant feel any traction control coming on nore any light flashing in the dash..
Maybe because I am letting go as soon as I feel loss of traction and not at full trottle the T-C does not have time to come on ?
Will eventually try it in a safe environment with more trottle input to see if TC will come on...

How does your TC in street mode behave?

Thanks for feedback

It's normal because the traction control isn't super intrusive like on some other cars. Tires spin even easier in Sport because it only tries to keep the car from getting sideways and will let you burn the tires as long as you like. Track traction control is intended for road racing and falls between Street and Sport settings. Fully disabled traction control isn't advised on the street because the car can get out of control real quick, even at 50 mph.

David

 

[Scatrat1]

I have not got the HC yet its on order but drove the SP for last 4 years. That being said I found one size up in tires with Pilot Michelins changed the SP from night to day in traction and handling. Brought it up off the ground just a bit as well. Awesome tires. I have about 16000 miles on them hate to give them up on the trade in. Never used Launch at all....old school brake rev worked fine( One Foot On Brake and One the gas) "Feathered" in to it so to speak with stock tires that were horrible.....I could nail it hard with Pilots even in Track Mode with the Tazer...... I do not really know what size tires and tire brand is coming on the HC? I suppose the same as SP had on brank but not size? I would be absolute sure the Pilot Sports 2 will not be the same on the HC as they were on the SP but would much better over the Pirellis if that is what comes on it. Looking forward to learn as I go and take it easy to find out.

 

[moparjim]

Hey Blickie, relax ... Like I said , being French my post might not be as clear as you would like. I am doing my best .Forums are for discussions, I am not trying to offend anybody.
BTW I would love to spend a day at a track event with you , I am sure that would be very interesting !!

If you want to practice to see what the traction control does. ICAR is not a bad place.
They don't prep the drag strip.
Sorry my writing in French is horrible but if you ever go to Napierville I can speak French just fine.

 

[sleepingweasal]

Spin em boys.