[Toad 1]

Excuse the obvious bitching, but considering my 5 month anniversary of D status is next week, I find it fitting to ask where in the hell are the 2022 Redeye Charger's at?

So far I've only seen one on this forum. One. Hellcat and JB Chargers flying off the factory floor (relatively speaking) and numerous of us with 2022 REWB Charger's are stuck with orders from half a year ago and are not going anywhere. I know my case isn't isolated, it seems that almost zero REWB Charger have been built. VIN's in the 100XXX are the only ones online that I could find. Maybe a few dozen have been built this year. Rather confusing given the fact that there is no specific part that is restricting RE's from being built if JB/HC Chargers and NB RE Challengers are being built in a reasonable timelines.

And yes, I know SS have long waits as well but that is not a fair comparison to a standard REWB charger.

Even better is that, at least in my case, I've been booted from D to C status 5 separate times that I am aware of, which tells me its more like 10+ times by now, which does not seem normal whatsoever based the fact that most orders have a linear progression from D to D1.

So please, is there some actual explanation as to why Redeye's are cursed right now? Simply saying part availability does not explain why HCWB,JB, and NB RE challengers are doing fine...

 

[Nvrenuf]

Excuse the obvious bitching, but considering my 5 month anniversary of D status is next week, I find it fitting to ask where in the hell are the 2022 Redeye Charger's at?

So far I've only seen one on this forum. One. Hellcat and JB Chargers flying off the factory floor (relatively speaking) and numerous of us with 2022 REWB Charger's are stuck with orders from half a year ago and are not going anywhere. I know my case isn't isolated, it seems that almost zero REWB Charger have been built. VIN's in the 100XXX are the only ones online that I could find. Maybe a few dozen have been built this year. Rather confusing given the fact that there is no specific part that is restricting RE's from being built if JB/HC Chargers and NB RE Challengers are being built in a reasonable timelines.

And yes, I know SS have long waits as well but that is not a fair comparison to a standard REWB charger.

Even better is that, at least in my case, I've been booted from D to C status 5 separate times that I am aware of, which tells me its more like 10+ times by now, which does not seem normal whatsoever based the fact that most orders have a linear progression from D to D1.

So please, is there some actual explanation as to why Redeye's are cursed right now? Simply saying part availability does not explain why HCWB,JB, and NB RE challengers are doing fine...

I’ve asked. There’s no rhyme or reason.

I’m a month behind you at 4 months.

 

[Tannehill]

VIN # sequence means absolutely nothing for HCs.

Last model year was big for redeyes, especially the charger as it was the new thing and other models got the cold shoulder. This year they had to focus on JBs because of the marketing and $$$$ to be made. They get the Redeye engines that are available. Leftover is normal HCs. Regular redeyes are going to be few and far between and/or the ones on the chopping block as the model year builds close out.

 

[PDQHAWK]

Geeez, I must have gotten lucky. I ordered a 2022 charger WB/RE and 2 mo. Later, I picked it up, below sticker to boot

 

[Bobo]

one word....Jailbreak

 

[Reaperhwk]

Jailbreak is taking all your parts!

 

[Bowlerguy92]

I've had my 22 Charger HCREWB since early May. Took exactly 4 months and 4 days from order to delivery.

 

[PDQHAWK]

Kind or ironic, the people ordering jailbreaks are under the assumption they may be low numbers or rare. The fact is that the WB-RE charger may in fact be the dark horse. With the chip shortage, when they finally trickle in,Stellantis is throwing em into the jailbreaks and taking advantage of the upcharge money, that is shrinking the WB-RE production numbers. I don't know. I'm still waiting on the direct connection tuner packages to be released, yet another chip crisis. Should be pretty interesting when the dust settles

 

[Toad 1]

Kind or ironic, the people ordering jailbreaks are under the assumption they may be low numbers or rare. The fact is that the WB-RE charger may in fact be the dark horse. With the chip shortage, when they finally trickle in,Stellantis is throwing em into the jailbreaks and taking advantage of the upcharge money, that is shrinking the WB-RE production numbers. I don't know. I'm still waiting on the direct connection tuner packages to be released, yet another chip crisis. Should be pretty interesting when the dust settles

I've said this before as well. 22' REWB Chargers are going to be the rarest one year model of any Hellcat, no doubt. Whether that makes a difference in value in the next 5-10 years? Who knows, but production numbers as of now are definitely below 100, maybe even less than 50 total.

 

[Reaperhwk]

I've said this before as well. 22' REWB Chargers are going to be the rarest one year model of any Hellcat, no doubt. Whether that makes a difference in value in the next 5-10 years? Who knows, but production numbers as of now are definitely below 100, maybe even less than 50 total.

If that's true I don't think a standard REWB will ever be worth more than a JB. The JB is everything that car is plus way more premium options and +10hp.

 

[Toad 1]

If that's true I don't think a standard REWB will ever be worth more than a JB. The JB is everything that car is plus way more premium options and +10hp.

I think its generally understood that the JB was nothing more than a cash-grab considering a 21' RE had 90% of the same options but for much less money. Also seen a few complaints saying the JB tune is slower than a standard HC, not sure if i buy that though... Fundamentally it is nowhere near the Demon or SS uniqueness status, which will always be the top for future value if I had to guess.

It's a coin flip, if the value of a JB is based on rarity, a 22' REWB should be more, but if its based on options, a 21' REWB should be basically the same. It is not like you can visibly tell the difference between any of the HC lineup besides the SS/Demon anyways.

Regardless I would guess once the JB dust settles, it will be worth maybe 5-10k more at most than a REWB, which essentially reflects the MSRP difference. However, trying to estimate the future collectability of a car is futile so I'm just talking of my ass for now. I will say, it's definitely a hard sell to say that 22' RE will be worth more than a 22' JB, but more likely it will be close enough in value to not really argue between the two. Either way, I would have ordered a JB in hindsight.

The real kicker will be a 23' Stinger yellow final edition hellcat. Talk about a unicorn...

 

[HellcatHellYeah]

C'mon Reaper, the 10 extra HP is meaningless and the options are what really differentiate the JB from the RE. If you are strictly talking about resale values down the line JB should be more because it was more to begin with and the options add value (unless you build some goofy sh** like stinger Yellow, orange calipers, blue stripes, red seats 🤢).

Personally, the RE buyers are the smart ones, I'll be stupid and get a JB simply because there are a couple of options I want (warpspeeds and Sepia) that are not available on the RE. Don't think anyone would argue the JB is a gimmick cash grab without making any real improvements over the RE, still it's a glorified RE which is a already a badass car.

 

[Reaperhwk]

JB are selling for 120 and 140k. No red eyes are selling for that now.

I got the JB because the options I wanted weren't available on the Red Eye, and I didn't mind the upcharge ($900) to the "higher" trim. The +10hp was also nice.

This was the first JB at auction at Barret Jackson, sold for 143k.

2022 DODGE CHALLENGER SRT HELLCAT JAILBREAK - Barrett-Jackson Auction Company - World's Greatest Collector Car Auctions

Sold* at Las Vegas 2022 - Lot #702 2022 DODGE CHALLENGER SRT HELLCAT JAILBREAK

www.barrett-jackson.com

 

[Toad 1]

JB are selling for 120 and 140k. No red eyes are selling for that now.

I got the JB because the options I wanted weren't available on the Red Eye, and I didn't mind the upcharge ($900) to the "higher" trim. The +10hp was also nice.

This was the first JB at auction at Barret Jackson, sold for 143k.

2022 DODGE CHALLENGER SRT HELLCAT JAILBREAK - Barrett-Jackson Auction Company - World's Greatest Collector Car Auctions

Sold* at Las Vegas 2022 - Lot #702 2022 DODGE CHALLENGER SRT HELLCAT JAILBREAK

www.barrett-jackson.com

Barrett Jackson is a very poor metric to gauge value, and plenty of 22' Redeye going for 120k online.

Even better, that example is literally just a shmuck that bought a Redeye. Same wheels, same interior, same exterior. I sincerely doubt anyone is paying +50k upcharge for gray calipers and 10hp and if so, that is certainly not going to be a consistent trend once the hype fades.

 

[Reaperhwk]

I guess we'll see in a few years. I still will say the Demon, SS, and JB's will be the special models that bring premiums. And no one knows about 2023 models, if they make a crazy model that will be either at the top of the list or right behind the demon.

If I had to guess I'd say the pecking order is:
1)Demon
2)2023 special edition
3)SS
4)JB
5)Red Eyes

They made Red Eyes since 2019 so in the big picture there are TONS more than JB's out there. I'd guess total JB's produced would be less than 1000. Actually, the JB may be worth more and more rare than the SS total numbers, who knows.

That is what I'm going with!

Keep in mind too people and collectors buying these cars want the best at the 100k level. One of those guys buys a regular red eye and his buddy says why didn’t you get a JB it’s better. Is your red eye the fastest one with the most hp? Nah, the JB has 807hp. Red eye and a JB sit next to each other, the JB is worth more and will be more rare based on total production.

I would rather pay the few thousand more now for a JB. That’s me. Call me stupid if you want but my logic is as above.

 

[Arabex]

I guess we'll see in a few years. I still will say the Demon, SS, and JB's will be the special models that bring premiums. And no one knows about 2023 models, if they make a crazy model that will be either at the top of the list or right behind the demon.

If I had to guess I'd say the pecking order is:
1)Demon
2)2023 special edition
3)SS
4)JB
5)Red Eyes

They made Red Eyes since 2019 so in the big picture there are TONS more than JB's out there. I'd guess total JB's produced would be less than 1000. Actually, the JB may be worth more and more rare than the SS total numbers, who knows.

That is what I'm going with!

Keep in mind too people and collectors buying these cars want the best at the 100k level. One of those guys buys a regular red eye and his buddy says why didn’t you get a JB it’s better. Is your red eye the fastest one with the most hp? Nah, the JB has 807hp. Red eye and a JB sit next to each other, the JB is worth more and will be more rare based on total production.

I would rather pay the few thousand more now for a JB. That’s me. Call me stupid if you want but my logic is as above.

Don’t forget that JB May potentially be a one year run…
Granted I still believe Deamon will be the king! Then it all depends on what this 2023 “special edition will be like” Then I think 2020 & 2022 SS will be really rare due to low volume production, then JB and then any RE with 2019 and possibly 2022 (due to low production) could be more desirable…

At the end of the day it’s way too early to say what the market will be like…

In the meantime I’ll be enjoying my JB, currently at 114 miles on the odometer 😎

 

[Reaperhwk]

Don’t forget that JB May potentially be a one year run…
Granted I still believe Deamon will be the king! Then it all depends on what this 2023 “special edition will be like” Then I think 2020 & 2022 SS will be really rare due to low volume production, then JB and then any RE with 2019 and possibly 2022 (due to low production) could be more desirable…

At the end of the day it’s way too early to say what the market will be like…

In the meantime I’ll be enjoying my JB, currently at 114 miles on the odometer 😎

Yeah it will be interesting 5 years to see how all this shakes out!

more importantly, did you post up pics of your new JB?

 

[HellcatHellYeah]

JB are selling for 120 and 140k. No red eyes are selling for that now.

Can't take current market into account when talking about future value, JB's are brand new and are difficult to even get an allocation to build so their value is being artificially inflated due to hysterical demand and shortages.

Is your red eye the fastest one with the most hp? Nah, the JB has 807hp.

Good point there, most of the faithful here don't buy into the Jailbreak scam and would be happy with a RE if they could get options and no one believe the extra 10 HP is doing anything but, the Frat Boy mentality people will just look at 807 is more than 797 so must be better.

 

[Reaperhwk]

Can't take current market into account when talking about future value, JB's are brand new and are difficult to even get an allocation to build so their value is being artificially inflated due to hysterical demand and shortages.


Good point there, most of the faithful here don't buy into the Jailbreak scam and would be happy with a RE if they could get options and no one believe the extra 10 HP is doing anything but, the Frat Boy mentality people will just look at 807 is more than 797 so must be better.

Well if the 2023 has 810hp then the JB will be regulated to the trash pile by the frat boys.

 

[HellcatHellYeah]

I don't think there will be a more HP build as TK and SM have stated several times that the Demon is most HP model Dodge will offer. It's a lie if they come back and sell a 900 HP car off the line in 3 or 4 years but by then only Demon owners will get bent, they'll sell like Hot Cakes (how well do Hot Cakes sell anyways, who wants a hot cake? How about some boiling ice cream?). Once TK leaves (inevitable as if he's successful he might take the reigns at Ford or Tesla, if he's a failure maybe go to Audi USA President or some such) then all bets are off. As of now they would be handling a PR nightmare with the Demon owners, then again they are offloading Demons for 50% or more over MSRP so STFU Demon owners sell it and get the 900 HP Red Devil Eye and pocket the extra $50K .