[Blkout]

These cars aren't pulling over a 1g laterally without MAJOR modifications. The in-dash meter isn't all that accurate. Dodge rated the Hellcat Widebody at .96g lateral acceleration and much like Dodge's official 0-60 and 1/4 times, most people can't even match that. Its going to take much more than just a swap of tires and aftermarket suspension components to get well above 1g. Its really the heavy weight and the plush ride chassis that works against these cars for handling.

 

[SIXGUN]

All accelerations measured ARE lateral g. Lateral merely refers to "parallel to the car's momentary plane of travel, in any direction."

Ok, for this retard aviator, lateral is left to right as you sit in the car. Accel G to me is on the throttle, and I get it acceleration can be in any direction. And deceleration (braking) is technically negative acceleration. Didn't mean to confuse matters.

 

[Bradsredeye]

What kind of aviator are you?

 

[SIXGUN]

Was it the full 3.74 mile length your buddy in his Charger was running on totally stock suspension? 2:08. That sounds impossibly quick for anything other than a full on, tube frame, SCCA GT1 car (700-800 HP and 2700 lbs.) and quicker than every GT2 car at the last Sebring SCCA race.

Bradsredeye, not a Charger, not Sebring.
These last couple posts were numbers gleaned from our cars on the 24hrs of Daytona road course 3.6 mile course this past weekend. My numbers based on Track Addict, his were on some other app on his phone. No, I didn't ask him to show me his data, he struck me as a fellow WBRE Challenger enthusiast like me and figured he didn't have a reason to lie about it. No dick measuring going on here on my end.
Blkout-
Our vehicles are not instrumented to make these official numbers, but it is a G indication on the dash of the car. If there is a crash, I'm pretty sure the G forces they capture in an investigation come from onboard computers vs pencil and paper calcuations, but hey, maybe I'm wrong. I am simply posting apples to apples numbers from the car's computer indications, which I thought was the subject of the orignal post. If the dash says the car went 225mph stock, I'd have a question about that. My car shows 195mph on the top speed and I saw that on the speedo when I had stock tires and it was still accelerating qt q respectqble rate, but the aero wall was near (and I rqn out of ...closed course, of course). Was that precisely accurate? I don't know, but I've been a measured 193mph on the salt flats and it seemed pretty accurate at 195 indicated. I would assume these are spikes on the G numbers, as I'm pretty sure on a skid pad with street tires my car won't sustain 1.24 lateral G (that would be in a turn for the one person confused), but somewhere along the way that was max...as per the OP. Also sure the car won't sustain 1.69 accel G but for launch on a sticky track with sticky tires and good hp...but that wasn't the question.

 

[SIXGUN]

Next time I see all you guys at a track we can compare data. I was surprised to see even one other car similar to mine on track. There were only two Challengers of any kind and no Chargers out of 300 cars on Daytona this weekend, so pretty standard showing, although I was surprised to see the other guy as I'm usually the only one at Sebring.

 

[SIXGUN]

Master Army aviator, Commercial Instrument pilot, you?

 

[Blkout]

Bradsredeye, not a Charger, not Sebring.
These last couple posts were numbers gleaned from our cars on the 24hrs of Daytona road course 3.6 mile course this past weekend. My numbers based on Track Addict, his were on some other app on his phone. No, I didn't ask him to show me his data, he struck me as a fellow WBRE Challenger enthusiast like me and figured he didn't have a reason to lie about it. No dick measuring going on here on my end.
Blkout-
Our vehicles are not instrumented to make these official numbers, but it is a G indication on the dash of the car. If there is a crash, I'm pretty sure the G forces they capture in an investigation come from onboard computers vs pencil and paper calcuations, but hey, maybe I'm wrong. I am simply posting apples to apples numbers from the car's computer indications, which I thought was the subject of the orignal post. If the dash says the car went 225mph stock, I'd have a question about that. My car shows 195mph on the top speed and I saw that on the speedo when I had stock tires and it was still accelerating qt q respectqble rate, but the aero wall was near (and I rqn out of ...closed course, of course). Was that precisely accurate? I don't know, but I've been a measured 193mph on the salt flats and it seemed pretty accurate at 195 indicated. I would assume these are spikes on the G numbers, as I'm pretty sure on a skid pad with street tires my car won't sustain 1.24 lateral G (that would be in a turn for the one person confused), but somewhere along the way that was max...as per the OP. Also sure the car won't sustain 1.69 accel G but for launch on a sticky track with sticky tires and good hp...but that wasn't the question.

I know you're happy with the car, by all means enjoy it however you want to drive it, whether its drag racing or road racing. I just wanted to clarify for anyone thinking these cars can easily pull over 1g laterally, it just isn't happening. Best chance of these cars pulling 1g+ would be acceleration on a prepped track with sticky tires. I believe its possible to get one of these cars over 1g laterally legitimately but it would take quite a bit. Much like acceleration, the more you want the harder it is to achieve, its not a linear curve. Dodge went from .93g to .96g by changing the tires from 275 width to 305 width. Is it possible to use a 315 or 325 width dedicated road course tire, and achieve 1g? Possibly so but its going to get much harder beyond that due to the weight of the vehicle and lack of downforce.

 

[SIXGUN]

...and you swapped for a Camaro, so thanks for keeping us all schooled up on what our cars are capable of. I get it, the ZL1 1LE is a track weapon. What are you showing for Gs on your 1LE? Modifications? Did you instrument the MOPAR you were/are driving before and put it on a skidpad with stock tires to confirm what it would actually do, or were you on a racetrack somewhere when you gained all this irrefutable knowledge?
Did you by chance read the subject of this post? Just wondering, thanks.

 

[frictioncircle]

sixgun do you run with Chin?

 

[Bradsredeye]

Former Navy pilot and retired airline pilot.

 

[Blkout]

...and you swapped for a Camaro, so thanks for keeping us all schooled up on what our cars are capable of. I get it, the ZL1 1LE is a track weapon. What are you showing for Gs on your 1LE? Modifications? Did you instrument the MOPAR you were/are driving before and put it on a skidpad with stock tires to confirm what it would actually do, or were you on a racetrack somewhere when you gained all this irrefutable knowledge?
Did you by chance read the subject of this post? Just wondering, thanks.

Mine is a ZL1, not 1LE. The standard ZL1 is not a purpose built track car like the 1LE is, however it is far more capable than even a modified Hellcat in handling. The Hellcat can't compete in this arena weighing 4500lbs compared to a 3900lb ZL1. Having owned both, I feel qualified to speak about it.

Its clear your feelings are hurt so there's clearly no point talking any sense into you.

I'll leave you with an article comparing a Widebody Hellcat to a ZL1, not because I wanted to make the comparison but since you brought my ZL1 into the conversation, this is just further proof that your in-car G meter is seriously over estimating the Hellcat's cornering capability. Keep in mind, this is a standard ZL1, not a 1LE which has even more cornering capability, 1.18g.

Is The New Widebody Hellcat A Threat To The ZL1? (drivetribe.com)


Yes, I read the subject of the post and I doubt you're going to find too many people here that have professional equipment to document the G-Forces of these cars. DGatzby and Trackday are two of the more knowledgeable Hellcat road racers here so they may be using some more serious equipment to measure G-Force other than the in-dash meter. I was simply pointing out just how far off the in-dash meter can be compared to reality which has been tested many times by professional publications using professional equipment.

 

[SIXGUN]

I have not yet run with Chin, I hear they are pretty aggressive and I don't want to trade paint with anyone. I can't really afford to run run more than once a month or so anyway, darnit! I'd rather let someone pass (or point by) than run the risk of getting together. Cannot afford to crunch my WBRE! It is expensive enough to track it with no contact or offs! nasa and PCA seem to be interested in no contact and preserving our machines, although accidents happen.

 

[SIXGUN]

Former Navy pilot and retired airline pilot.

Thanks for your service, what were you flying in the Navy?

 

[SIXGUN]

Mine is a ZL1, not 1LE. The standard ZL1 is not a purpose built track car like the 1LE is, however it is far more capable than even a modified Hellcat in handling. The Hellcat can't compete in this arena weighing 4500lbs compared to a 3900lb ZL1. Having owned both, I feel qualified to speak about it.

Its clear your feelings are hurt so there's clearly no point talking any sense into you.

I'll leave you with an article comparing a Widebody Hellcat to a ZL1, not because I wanted to make the comparison but since you brought my ZL1 into the conversation, this is just further proof that your in-car G meter is seriously over estimating the Hellcat's cornering capability. Keep in mind, this is a standard ZL1, not a 1LE which has even more cornering capability, 1.18g.

Is The New Widebody Hellcat A Threat To The ZL1? (drivetribe.com)


Yes, I read the subject of the post and I doubt you're going to find too many people here that have professional equipment to document the G-Forces of these cars. DGatzby and Trackday are two of the more knowledgeable Hellcat road racers here so they may be using some more serious equipment to measure G-Force other than the in-dash meter. I was simply pointing out just how far off the in-dash meter can be compared to reality which has been tested many times by professional publications using professional equipment.

So, when I ressurect a 2 year old post that was last responded to with "any updates" 11 days ago, you have to weigh in with your expertise about how slow, untrackworthy, lqden with inaccurate data our cars are. No update...nothing answering the question about your indicated data...just something to help.
Good to know.
Same publications that say how bad the HC, Redeye, and all Chargers and Challengers suck on a track and you definitely want to avoid. It is a physics problem, my 4500lb car against most things lighter, I totally understand that, not my first rodeo.
I won my first autorcross in 1979 in my clapped out, $500 1969 Charger which I still have, against new for the day 1978 Formula Firebirds and other better prepped cars.
My feelings are not at all hurt, in fact I'll be happy to compare notes and lap times on the same track with you whenever we can get together down here. I pass some, some pass me, and some are very fast with impressive drivers. If you pass me on a track, I'll applaud you for it because you earned it.
It just amazes me when the question of the post is "What is your max recorded G number" that experts like youself have to weigh in to help us retards understand how heavy our cars are and how inaccurate the indications are. And, have very, very few of us (DGatzby, Trackday, myself, and the very few others) that actually run their cars on a track of any kind more than once with the intent to enjoy the experience and learn how to drive and make their awesome (oh sorry, heavy and slow according to the publications) cars perform.

 

[Blkout]

So, when I ressurect a 2 year old post that was last responded to with "any updates" 11 days ago, you have to weigh in with your expertise about how slow, untrackworthy, lqden with inaccurate data our cars are. No update...nothing answering the question about your indicated data...just something to help.
Good to know.
Same publications that say how bad the HC, Redeye, and all Chargers and Challengers suck on a track and you definitely want to avoid. It is a physics problem, my 4500lb car against most things lighter, I totally understand that, not my first rodeo.
I won my first autorcross in 1979 in my clapped out, $500 1969 Charger which I still have, against new for the day 1978 Formula Firebirds and other better prepped cars.
My feelings are not at all hurt, in fact I'll be happy to compare notes and lap times on the same track with you whenever we can get together down here. I pass some, some pass me, and some are very fast with impressive drivers. If you pass me on a track, I'll applaud you for it because you earned it.
It just amazes me when the question of the post is "What is your max recorded G number" that experts like youself have to weigh in to help us retards understand how heavy our cars are and how inaccurate the indications are. And, have very, very few of us (DGatzby, Trackday, myself, and the very few others) that actually run their cars on a track of any kind more than once with the intent to enjoy the experience and learn how to drive and make their awesome (oh sorry, heavy and slow according to the publications) cars perform.

I'm no more of an expert than you are, but when people post pics showing a Hellcat pulling over 1.2g latterly, someone has to set the record straight. Hellcats are heavy and don't corner that great in comparison to most sports cars but that much should be known. They do corner well for what they are and I've stated that about 100x on this forum over the years. It seems like just having a ZL1 in my avatar pic brings out the worst in people on this forum. It's not as if I just signed up here and started trolling. I've got many years behind Hellcats, I've owned the Challenger, Charger, and now the Durango Hellcat. I like them for various reasons but handling is not one of them at all.

 

[SIXGUN]

Hey, the ZL1 1LE is a badass track weapon, wish I had one as a track car. I get it you have the ZL1, great car, like em, happy for you. I drove my car from WA to FL and it was very enjoyable. Wouldn't want to do that in a ZL1 1LE from what I hear, although I could get it done on track in one. I'm not a Corvette person, but I like the looks and any of them handle quite well compared to lots of other stuff. I'd be happy to have a C-5 and up, or even a C-4 if it was pepped up a bit, or a late model Camaro as they are all or can be good track cars. I'm driving my WBRE on the track as it is capable to some degree and it is what I have and I like it. I like it when I pass a Viper or C-8 with my terribly heavy, ill handling track car after catching it through the corners...which can't be done, just read the publications. I am not the jackass that out drag races someone down the chutes then holds them up in the corners, as I have been held up for two laps at Sebring by a 930 twin turbo Porsche...while driving my 2016 SRT 392 Challenger, running about 80 in turn 14 at Sebring in the pic. . If you sir show up in my rear view on a bicycle, I'm letting you pass as you are faster than me. I request you not discount the capability of these cars offhand just because of what has been published. C8 guys hate to be passed by this car, but it happens. There was a guy in a red C7 this weekend that had to be 15 seconds faster or more per lap - street car with slicks. He could drive it and it hauled ass. Happy for him, hopefully I can have a track car as good someday. For now, I love this car! No need to belabor tbe issue, thanks.

 

[frictioncircle]

Chin is a good group I know them well. They have fast drivers in the advanced/instructor groups but the intermediate solo groups are safe for experienced intermediates.

 

[Bradsredeye]

Hi SIXGUN. Thank you for your service too. I'll make this brief. F-14s in the Navy, then a service transfer to the ANG. A-10s in ANG, then airline job for 29 years, finishing up as a 777 Captain.

 

[frictioncircle]

wow those warthogs had quite a tough skin..and sharp teeth brrrrrrrp

 

[Bradsredeye]

Bingo my man. Titanium bathtub surrounding the pilot, and GAU-30 for serious social purposes.