The Hellcat should win a roll race assuming traction isn't an issue. The massive 200-300hp difference in hp gives the advantage there.

 

I gotta say it a roll race is not a race a race is from a dig.

 

I just consider that a drag race.

 

The Redeye is faster than a C8 both from a dig and from a roll... assuming said dig race is a 1/4 mile. The Redeye will top out a C8 handily. From a roll, it would be no different than racing a Mustang GT. Granted, I had more than 1 Mustang GT beat my C8 from a roll, so that's not saying much. They have a LOT of aero drag and about the same HP as a newer stock Mustang GT.

On paper, the C8 pulls a 1/4 mi around 11 seconds. The Redeye is a good mid to low 10. On the street, the C8 will beat the Redeye to the 1/8 mile marker, but the Redeye should be already catching up. It depends on how big the big end is as to who wins. I can say definitively that there is no situation where a C8 gaps a Redeye from a roll. It might shoot ahead briefly, but in 2-3 seconds it'll be reeled in and passed.

You guys might remember me saying how the C8 hits a brick wall at 100mph. That's not a joke. It pulls like a champ from 0-80, but the aero drag is unreal in that car. It's painfully slow above 120. My Redeye can go from 40 - 100 quicker than my C8 could go from 70-100. A C8 Z06 might be a different story, but it's still got all that aero drag. It might be interesting to see a 40+ roll vs a C8 Z06, but I'd still put money on the Redeye.

In summary, a C8 can't beat a Hellcat or a Redeye from a roll without some serious mods. Most C8 owners that actually drive their car know full well that they're a dog in a roll race. If someone is picking on your Hellcat on the interstate in a C8, they're a noob/moron. I did it more than once, so I know... but a bone stock C8 vs. a bone stock Mustang GT from a 60 roll = Mustang wins every time. From a dig though, C8 kills the Mustang, only because it pulls so far ahead, they can't catch up unless you're running a full half mile. Even plain old Hellcats chew up Mustangs and spit them out.

 

The Redeye is faster than a C8 both from a dig and from a roll... assuming said dig race is a 1/4 mile. The Redeye will top out a C8 handily. From a roll, it would be no different than racing a Mustang GT. Granted, I had more than 1 Mustang GT beat my C8 from a roll, so that's not saying much. They have a LOT of aero drag and about the same HP as a newer stock Mustang GT.

I can see my 21 Charger Redeye beating a C8 from say a 60 MPH on up easily. The Redeye still pulls hard at 100 mph. Maybe even 50 mph it can happen with the new wheels and tires holding. I don’t see it doing it from a dig on the street or lower than 45. No traction in the Redeyes to put their power down while the C8 can take off on the street on all season tires.

 

You would've been 3-0 easily

 

I was on the highway the other day. A brand new c8 vette was trying to get me to go but there was too much traffic and I had to turn off soon.
Was wondering in my head how that race would have went. I have a 2022 jailbreak.

I’m already 2-0 this season maybe I could have padded my record?

Maybe the Vette owner was just giving you a tip of the cap, because in all of my years, a Corvette owner has not been able to find the gas pedal! Xylander completely excluded from this observation of course!

 

Are all Jailbreaks Redeyes?

 

Depends on the year.
22 - yes
23- no

 

I do a good amount of highway driving, more than stop and go stoplight drives for sure. 90% of any race I get is going to be a roll on an interstate and I’m fortunate that’s where my car shines. Wish I could have run that c8!

i am running the factory all season tires; I’m sure a 17 year old kid in a WRX could beat me from a stoplight race to 60mph easy. It’s like driving on ice below 50mph it feels like. Only after 60+ can I go balls to the wall in this car.

 

90% of any race I get is going to be a roll on an interstate

100% bad idea for any racing on public road.

 

The stock Pirelis are complete trash. I got some Michelin Pilot Sport all seasons about a month ago and have been absolutely blown away by the stickiness compared to the stock ones. It's like a completely different car.

 

yeah def will change tires to something different after these wear out.

 

Op I've already done this race a while back with a friend's C8 from a roll vs my 717 Cat and I figure it's worth mentioning that both cars were stock. I believe we did a few 40-60 rolls and the Cat was pulling away every time.

 

I find it notable that there are many famous supercars from the last few decades that can't manage the Hellcat's top speed.

Hence my saying lifted almost verbatim from an old Road and Track or Hot Rod or whatever magazine about Salt Flats cars: "You wanna race, let's start from a 120mph roll. I'll nail it when you nail it."

If the original Hellcat could do 200, then the 797hp version should be good for (barring rev limits) 208mph. Imagine how much pavement someone would have to eat up waiting for those last few mph...

 

As others have stated the the C8 wins from a dig and the RE will walk it on the top end. I own both a 22 C8 and 22 Challenger RE. The C8 does hit a wall between 80-100 but it can launch on the street like a Hellcat can with sticky tires at a track. Using launch control the C8 hits 2.9 0-60 on the street. The RE has no chance from a dig on the street. I owned a 2020 GT500 prior to these two cars. The GT500 will outrun the RE in a roll race. The RE wins all day long in the quarter mile at a track. The GT500 will get beat by both the C8 and RE from a dig. The GT500 is a dog from a dig to protect that expensive transmission.

 

How about the tried-and-true "Let's start from a 120mph roll. I'll nail it when you nail it."
A Hellcat is only using about 152 of its 717hp at that speed.

 

I was on the highway the other day. A brand new c8 vette was trying to get me to go but there was too much traffic and I had to turn off soon.
Was wondering in my head how that race would have went. I have a 2022 jailbreak.

I’m already 2-0 this season maybe I could have padded my record?

I have both, a 23 c8 and a 19 re WB… on blacktop, there is no feathering and min loss of traction with the c8, I haven’t run both together however from 10 telephone poles the vet isn’t far off from my hellcat … a rolling start isn’t a race unless you pull away, but from a stop light, you better be on your game.. it’s not a duck..😎

 

My other half has a 2023 C8 Z51 and I have a 2022 Redeye Charger. We road race together and its not even close on the straights. I go right around her no problem.

 

I think people have been racing on public roads since they were just cart-ruts.
And people have been disapproving since then, too, I imagine.

 

 

That looks awesome. The small red pin stripes are a great touch.

 

Thanks. It’s the c8 killer stripes.

 

Regular C8s are dogs. They might launch hard, but thats it. Even with all that going for them, then only trap like 115mph at the drag strip.

 

Pagani debuted in 1999. They are still going to this day.

Here's your quick one-stop guide to Pagani's hypercar history

Every Zonda and Huayra worth noting is in here

www.topgear.com

Hellcat came from the factory with wind tunnel-proven downforce, lift, and drag numbers, while other makes have lied about theirs for years.

In fact, the dearth of real data was so bad that, as I said, someone dedicated an entire website or thread to it that went on for pages, uncovering the lies that they found using their own wind tunnel-generated data.

 

Pagani isn't a Ferrari, Porsche or McLaren. Pagani considers their cars works of art. They're beautiful and quick but these cars are all about beauty first

 

However, as a modern example, let's look at the tire sidewall-crushing number of the Porsche 996:

"Here is an excerpt of PORSCHE 911 Story by Paul Frere, relating to negative lift or down force for the 996 GT2:

'Porsche claims that a front down force of 2.2 kg and a rear down force of 7.5 kg at 200 kph (124 mph) are produced. Corresponding forces at 300 kph (186 mph) would be 5 and 17 kg respectively'. "

It has become difficult to nail down results of the various cars produced by a third party at a wind tunnel, most likely because the results thus produced are such a pants-pulled-down-publicly embarrassment to the makers of "supercars" with their "several metric tons of downforce" or whatever they are claiming.

Once again, the Hellcat trounces other makes in the real world where measurable results matter. Mercedes, Porsche, and other snotnosed brands may have chipped in to pay whatever bribes would result in getting rid of the Hemi.

Ah, the Euros. I think they are born with their noses out of joint.

Waiting for the next Eurocar maker to boast "We have the best 1/4 mile time in our 250 quadrillion dollar car. It SO demonstrates how much better than one of those (snub) Fat Americain Hellcats we are."

I wonder if their noses are still bent from the Viper mopping the floor with them at the Nurburgring without a turbo or a supercharger. There sure was a mad scramble to beat the Viper's time so they could flap and crow about it.

 

They do have more downforce, both advertised and actual, than the more mainstream brands, I remember.

But, as with anything, if one REALLY LOVES downforce (me) then supposing one can ever afford a supercar, then one can just add it to where one's balance of taste and performance meet.

A big challenge, in my mind, is not defiling the overall appearance of the original car with aero gewgaws no matter how functional. I am somewhat of a purist in that sense.

 

I had a C8 and a ZL1 Camaro that were playing come up on me from behind on a 3 lane up hill stretch, they came up one on each side and slowed down along side me, I knew what they wanted. While watching them coming up I dropped down into 3rd gear (M6) and slowed down to about 65-70 to let them catch up. I nailed it as they hovered on each side of me like Hyenas on a zebra. left the C8 in the dust of rubber and ran away from the ZL1 like it was nothing, especially after getting into 4th at 105, the Camaro tried but At 1100 wheel atm They picked on the wrong cat that day lol.

Getting closer and closer to 4 second 60-130’s , one more mod and I’ll be there.

 

For sure, I think most stock ZL1s run mid 7's 60-130.