[Xylander]

So you run Pirellis?
Do you leave loaded guns laying around the house, too, just in case you have some kids over?
Bad tires can be the difference between life and death.
Good tires are among the cheapest insurance you can get.

Nah, I'm a Michelin fan boy. The OEM tires are on it for a while, only because I paid for them, so might as well wear them out. I'll have a set of PS4 All Seasons before summer time.

 

[786Kitty]

I just consider that a drag race.

Is this a Ru Paul Drag Race, or a regular race between 2 cars?
Asking for a friend... cause you don't know any more!

 

[Christian Dionne]

My other half has a 2023 C8 Z51 and I have a 2022 Redeye Charger. We road race together and its not even close on the straights. I go right around her no problem.

 

[DEANGEL]

90% of any race I get is going to be a roll on an interstate

100% bad idea for any racing on public road.

 

[Sarna March]

I think people have been racing on public roads since they were just cart-ruts.
And people have been disapproving since then, too, I imagine.

 

[Sarna March]

Op I've already done this race a while back with a friend's C8 from a roll vs my 717 Cat and I figure it's worth mentioning that both cars were stock. I believe we did a few 40-60 rolls and the Cat was pulling away every time.

I find it notable that there are many famous supercars from the last few decades that can't manage the Hellcat's top speed.

Hence my saying lifted almost verbatim from an old Road and Track or Hot Rod or whatever magazine about Salt Flats cars: "You wanna race, let's start from a 120mph roll. I'll nail it when you nail it."

If the original Hellcat could do 200, then the 797hp version should be good for (barring rev limits) 208mph. Imagine how much pavement someone would have to eat up waiting for those last few mph...

 

[Blkout]

I find it notable that there are many famous supercars from the last few decades that can't manage the Hellcat's top speed.

Hence my saying lifted almost verbatim from an old Road and Track or Hot Rod or whatever magazine about Salt Flats cars: "You wanna race, let's start from a 120mph roll. I'll nail it when you nail it."

If the original Hellcat could do 200, then the 797hp version should be good for (barring rev limits) 208mph. Imagine how much pavement someone would have to eat up waiting for those last few mph...

Most older supercars don't have the same HP as a Hellcat and most have far more downforce because they were designed as sports cars, not just to go fast in a straight line.

 

[Reaperhwk]

 

[DEANGEL]

That looks awesome. The small red pin stripes are a great touch.

 

[Vet Rider]

Regular C8s are dogs. They might launch hard, but thats it. Even with all that going for them, then only trap like 115mph at the drag strip.

 

[Reaperhwk]

That looks awesome. The small red pin stripes are a great touch.

Thanks. It’s the c8 killer stripes.

 

[Sarna March]

Most older supercars don't have the same HP as a Hellcat and most have far more downforce because they were designed as sports cars, not just to go fast in a straight line.

No, most older supercars have net lift front and back, not downforce. Another way in which the Hellcat is superior. The rear spoiler provides actual downforce combined with the body shape at the rear end.

I have done the research and went over, at one time, an entire website devoted to debunking the claims of big downforce claimed by exotic/expensive carmakers. Ferraris, Lambos, Aston Martins, all the big makes. The cars were actually taken to the same wind tunnel and actually TESTED. The results were DISMAL.

But "far more downforce" is a myth, if not a downright fantasy created by braggadocious false ad copy or sales brochures. Even the Pagani which boasted about how much downforce it had was found to have FAR FAR FAR less downforce than it claimed, and that was their big hoo-rah selling point (what did they claim? Ten tons of downforce at 3mph? I don't remember.)

But, most supercars are not bought for their performance. Most buyers don't know the difference between brakes made of carbon-ceramic or carbon-carbon, or how carbon-carbon brakes are even created, or why those who know what they are talking about say, "carbon-carbon" instead of just "carbon fiber" or "carbon" brakes.

The supeduper Herbootyaccess 3000 supercars are purchased for other reasons, and most are never even gotten within 10 percent of their actual capabilities, so they don't find out how low-performance the cars are. I am not decrying that. People can do what they want with their dosh. SOME people, especially on THIS forum, actually work hand-in-hand with people who produce actual performance-enhancing results with their businesses. It's hard to argue with single-digit timeslips, and no amount of sales brochures at some supercar maker's showroom can shout louder than a win light in your lane.

 

[Blkout]

No, most older supercars have net lift front and back, not downforce. Another way in which the Hellcat is superior. The rear spoiler provides actual downforce combined with the body shape at the rear end.

I have done the research and went over, at one time, an entire website devoted to debunking the claims of big downforce claimed by exotic/expensive carmakers. Ferraris, Lambos, Aston Martins, all the big makes. The cars were actually taken to the same wind tunnel and actually TESTED. The results were DISMAL.

But "far more downforce" is a myth, if not a downright fantasy created by braggadocious false ad copy or sales brochures. Even the Pagani which boasted about how much downforce it had was found to have FAR FAR FAR less downforce than it claimed, and that was their big hoo-rah selling point (what did they claim? Ten tons of downforce at 3mph? I don't remember.)

But, most supercars are not bought for their performance. Most buyers don't know the difference between brakes made of carbon-ceramic or carbon-carbon, or how carbon-carbon brakes are even created, or why those who know what they are talking about say, "carbon-carbon" instead of just "carbon fiber" or "carbon" brakes.

The supeduper Herbootyaccess 3000 supercars are purchased for other reasons, and most are never even gotten within 10 percent of their actual capabilities, so they don't find out how low-performance the cars are. I am not decrying that. People can do what they want with their dosh. SOME people, especially on THIS forum, actually work hand-in-hand with people who produce actual performance-enhancing results with their businesses. It's hard to argue with single-digit timeslips, and no amount of sales brochures at some supercar maker's showroom can shout louder than a win light in your lane.

Sorry, I wasn't talking about 1960s to 1980s supercars. I meant something more modern.

 

[Sarna March]

Pagani debuted in 1999. They are still going to this day.

Here's your quick one-stop guide to Pagani's hypercar history

Every Zonda and Huayra worth noting is in here

www.topgear.com

Hellcat came from the factory with wind tunnel-proven downforce, lift, and drag numbers, while other makes have lied about theirs for years.

In fact, the dearth of real data was so bad that, as I said, someone dedicated an entire website or thread to it that went on for pages, uncovering the lies that they found using their own wind tunnel-generated data.

 

[Sarna March]

However, as a modern example, let's look at the tire sidewall-crushing number of the Porsche 996:

"Here is an excerpt of PORSCHE 911 Story by Paul Frere, relating to negative lift or down force for the 996 GT2:

'Porsche claims that a front down force of 2.2 kg and a rear down force of 7.5 kg at 200 kph (124 mph) are produced. Corresponding forces at 300 kph (186 mph) would be 5 and 17 kg respectively'. "

It has become difficult to nail down results of the various cars produced by a third party at a wind tunnel, most likely because the results thus produced are such a pants-pulled-down-publicly embarrassment to the makers of "supercars" with their "several metric tons of downforce" or whatever they are claiming.

Once again, the Hellcat trounces other makes in the real world where measurable results matter. Mercedes, Porsche, and other snotnosed brands may have chipped in to pay whatever bribes would result in getting rid of the Hemi.

Ah, the Euros. I think they are born with their noses out of joint.

Waiting for the next Eurocar maker to boast "We have the best 1/4 mile time in our 250 quadrillion dollar car. It SO demonstrates how much better than one of those (snub) Fat Americain Hellcats we are."

I wonder if their noses are still bent from the Viper mopping the floor with them at the Nurburgring without a turbo or a supercharger. There sure was a mad scramble to beat the Viper's time so they could flap and crow about it.

 

[Blkout]

Pagani debuted in 1999. They are still going to this day.

Here's your quick one-stop guide to Pagani's hypercar history

Every Zonda and Huayra worth noting is in here

www.topgear.com

Hellcat came from the factory with wind tunnel-proven downforce, lift, and drag numbers, while other makes have lied about theirs for years.

In fact, the dearth of real data was so bad that, as I said, someone dedicated an entire website or thread to it that went on for pages, uncovering the lies that they found using their own wind tunnel-generated data.

Pagani isn't a Ferrari, Porsche or McLaren. Pagani considers their cars works of art. They're beautiful and quick but these cars are all about beauty first

 

[Sarna March]

They do have more downforce, both advertised and actual, than the more mainstream brands, I remember.

But, as with anything, if one REALLY LOVES downforce (me) then supposing one can ever afford a supercar, then one can just add it to where one's balance of taste and performance meet.

A big challenge, in my mind, is not defiling the overall appearance of the original car with aero gewgaws no matter how functional. I am somewhat of a purist in that sense.

 

[16GoManGoHC]

I had a C8 and a ZL1 Camaro that were playing come up on me from behind on a 3 lane up hill stretch, they came up one on each side and slowed down along side me, I knew what they wanted. While watching them coming up I dropped down into 3rd gear (M6) and slowed down to about 65-70 to let them catch up. I nailed it as they hovered on each side of me like Hyenas on a zebra. left the C8 in the dust of rubber and ran away from the ZL1 like it was nothing, especially after getting into 4th at 105, the Camaro tried but At 1100 wheel atm They picked on the wrong cat that day lol.

Getting closer and closer to 4 second 60-130’s , one more mod and I’ll be there.

 

[Blkout]

I had a C8 and a ZL1 Camaro that were playing come up on me from behind on a 3 lane up hill stretch, they came up one on each side and slowed down along side me, I knew what they wanted. While watching them coming up I dropped down into 3rd gear (M6) and slowed down to about 65-70 to let them catch up. I nailed it as they hovered on each side of me like Hyenas on a zebra. left the C8 in the dust of rubber and ran away from the ZL1 like it was nothing, especially after getting into 4th at 105, the Camaro tried but At 1100 wheel atm They picked on the wrong cat that day lol.
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Getting closer and closer to 4 second 60-130’s , one more mod and I’ll be there.

For sure, I think most stock ZL1s run mid 7's 60-130.